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This is a discussion on Shell (Pennzoil) Race Oil within the GTO forums, part of the Vehicle Specific category; I know you guys get tired of me and my tribology but I do follow the industry closely. Pennzoil has ...

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    Shell (Pennzoil) Race Oil

    I know you guys get tired of me and my tribology but I do follow the industry closely. Pennzoil has been developing a high horsepower motor oil that is utilizing esters/synthetics for its base oil versus everybody else using mineral oil for it;s base oils. Of course they filed a patent. Patent Here
    I own patents myself (in technology) and follow the process closely. Looks like the Untied States Patent Office is going to issue the patent.
    Why do I bother you guys with all this? Watch for a really really good synthetic coming from Pennzoil this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge View Post
    I know you guys get tired of me and my tribology but I do follow the industry closely. Pennzoil has been developing a high horsepower motor oil that is utilizing esters/synthetics for its base oil versus everybody else using mineral oil for it;s base oils. Of course they filed a patent. Patent Here
    I own patents myself (in technology) and follow the process closely. Looks like the Untied States Patent Office is going to issue the patent.
    Why do I bother you guys with all this? Watch for a really really good synthetic coming from Pennzoil this year.
    I don't get tired of it keep them info comeing how else we suppose to learn I feel
    Lucky to have this info provide to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge View Post
    I know you guys get tired of me and my tribology but I do follow the industry closely. Pennzoil has been developing a high horsepower motor oil that is utilizing esters/synthetics for its base oil versus everybody else using mineral oil for it;s base oils. Of course they filed a patent. Patent Here
    I own patents myself (in technology) and follow the process closely. Looks like the Untied States Patent Office is going to issue the patent.
    Why do I bother you guys with all this? Watch for a really really good synthetic coming from Pennzoil this year.
    im a penz fanboy ..i have been looking for a oil filler cap that says Pennzoil instead of mobil one..i have yet to find one

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    Scroll down just passed the Dixie Gasoline decal
    1" Pennzoil Decal.
    http://www.weberspump.com/acatalog/P...ROUND_158.html

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    Right after i read this I watched a Pennzoil commercial with a g8.. it was a solitice ... hmmm i wonder if pontiac/pennzoil and sarge are "in cahoots"

    subscribing to this thread as well

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    I run Schaeffers 10-30 in the GTO Motor/Valvoline DexVI in the trannie and RedLine 75-140 in the rear diff. In my truck I am running Pennzoil Platinum in the motor/Valvoline DexVI in the trannie/RedLine 75-90 in the Rear Diff. Mercedes I am running Shaeffers 5-40 in the motor and some German shit in the rest. In my Daughters G6 I am running Shaeffers 5-30 and the rest is factory fill. I recommend PP/Schaeffers/Amsoil and a few others as they are the top dogs. I have no agenda.I get no monetary consideration for any of my recommendations unless you have Health Insurance then I thank you from the bottom of my bank account.

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    Sarge - what's your opinion of Castrol Synthetics. I'm using a 10-40, too heavy?

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    Yes too heavy TSG! 10-30! Why the 40 weight?
    In my Stroker I tuned the oil/viscosity and found my sweet spot. I have 8 quarts with the cooler and the dual remote (BIG) filters......
    I run 6 quarts Shaeffers 10-30 and 2 quarts Shaeffers 20-50. UOA's are off the hook and motor loves a "thicker" 30 weight. But a 40 weight is too thick for our clearances.

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    I don't get her out that often, a cruise on the highway, a good rip and on a monthly basis and (starting in June) there are cruises where I can get caught sitting in traffic. The thought was I'd retain better lubrication properties while sitting. If my thought process is in correct I'll drop it and put 10-30 in...

    These cruises culminate with the Woodard Cruise up here. Not sure if you've heard of it. Government Motors throws up a tent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Silver Goat View Post
    I don't get her out that often, a cruise on the highway, a good rip and on a monthly basis and (starting in June) there are cruises where I can get caught sitting in traffic. The thought was I'd retain better lubrication properties while sitting. If my thought process is in correct I'll drop it and put 10-30 in...

    These cruises culminate with the Woodard Cruise up here. Not sure if you've heard of it. Government Motors throws up a tent.
    I have been to the Woodward cruise so yup I know exactly what it is.
    40 weight in a tight clearance environment actually raises the oil temp believe it or not! Do you have a oil temp gauge? Oil pressure gauge? How are you determining what various viscosities are doing in your motor? Based on what?
    I appreciate your trying to do the best for your motor. We have to focus on High Temp High Shear numbers much more than just straight viscosities.
    Lubricity is achieved by flow and HT/HS providing a lubrication layer in wear areas. Basic stuff. When your oil is too thick it doesn't get (squeeze) into the tight areas near as well as a lower viscosity thus your not lubricating anymore. Too thin and your HT/HS is not providing a proper film strength and your not lubricating any more. Also keep in mind 30 weights vary from 30,31,32,33,34 so on....and I see better results overall with a slightly thicker 30 weight and a HT/HS of 3.0-3.3 in the 30 weights range.
    HT/HS of Pennzoil Platinum is 3.15
    .............Amsoil 10-30 is 3.2
    .............Schaeffers 10-30 is 3.16
    .............Mobil1 10-30 is 3.14
    This seems to be the "sweet spot" providing proper flow and lubrication.
    To compare here is the 40 weights and the HT/HS of those.
    Mobil1 0-40 3.7
    Amsoil 5-40 3.7
    Shaeffers 15-40 4.3
    Pennzoil Platinum 5-40 3.8
    Too thick to provide proper lubrication in our LSX motors.

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    Subscribed. As always, good information that will be heeded.

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    Cool info, I just changed to Mobil1 10-30 last oil change, figured Texas heat is comming and it would work better. Oil pressure is same, don't have temp guage.

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    Sure I run 100 times at the track each year but how's this new race oil going to be in a DD?

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    That will be interesting to see how the Racing Pennzoil fairs when itís released. Until then Amsoil has their Dominator Racing Synthetic that is a top grade Ester/Synthetic formulation for anyone interested in a Racing formulation.

    Also, one thing thatís not typically featured in racing oil is detergents. At the end of a race the motor oil in a race car is usually drained out, so racing oil doesnít require the detergents like those in street oils that run 3,000-miles or longer. However, Amsoil decided they wanted their line of race oil to live in a street engine as well. VOAs show a TBN of around 6.2 in the Dominator Race Oil, so you could probably expect to run this race oil for 3,000-miles or thereabouts on the street. So again, it will be interesting to see if Pennzoil follows suite with their race oil making it compatible for street use as well.

    Finally, AMSOIL Dominatorģ Synthetic 10W-30 Racing Oil (RD30) is up there at 3.6 HT/HS and the Kinematic Viscosity @ 100įC, cSt (ASTM D-445) is 11.5. This is one of the thicker 30 weights for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTO1_OHIO View Post
    Sure I run 100 times at the track each year but how's this new race oil going to be in a DD?
    Dont know yet. But I love esters based products so we will see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CompSyn View Post
    That will be interesting to see how the Racing Pennzoil fairs when itís released. Until then Amsoil has their Dominator Racing Synthetic that is a top grade Ester/Synthetic formulation for anyone interested in a Racing formulation.

    Also, one thing thatís not typically featured in racing oil is detergents. At the end of a race the motor oil in a race car is usually drained out, so racing oil doesnít require the detergents like those in street oils that run 3,000-miles or longer. However, Amsoil decided they wanted their line of race oil to live in a street engine as well. VOAs show a TBN of around 6.2 in the Dominator Race Oil, so you could probably expect to run this race oil for 3,000-miles or thereabouts on the street. So again, it will be interesting to see if Pennzoil follows suite with their race oil making it compatible for street use as well.

    Finally, AMSOIL Dominatorģ Synthetic 10W-30 Racing Oil (RD30) is up there at 3.6 HT/HS and the Kinematic Viscosity @ 100įC, cSt (ASTM D-445) is 11.5. This is one of the thicker 30 weights for sure.

    CompSyn
    Absolutely....The Amsoil Racing Oil is top notch. But not for a street motor as CompSyn points out......I am commenting on the trend to blend with a ester based oil....this gives me a woody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge View Post
    Absolutely....The Amsoil Racing Oil is top notch. But not for a street motor as CompSyn points out......I am commenting on the trend to blend with a ester based oil....this gives me a woody.
    Whops! I little misinterpretation there; guess thatís one of the downfalls to purely text communication is getting the lines crossed a bit sometimes.

    No! I was attempting to convey that Amsoil Dominator Racing oil IS completely compatible with street car service.

    In fact a good colleague of mine ran the 5W-20 version of this racing oil successfully in his 2006 Honda Odyssey van for get this 9,901-miles/6-months. Yep! Heís a wild man indeed!

    See the UOA by clicking HERE.

    Amsoil Dominator Racing Oil is a racing formulation that IS compatible for street use.

    CompSyn

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    Well then I have massive wood. I missed your point totally but I am old and senile and have excuses out the ass.
    Man I gotta try me some of that. Check out the HT/HS! That is a serious oil to consider. I gotta test this stuff out.

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    OK...VOA of the aforementioned 5-20
    LUBE MFR AMSOIL
    LUBE TYPE - GRADE SAE 5W20

    CONTAMINANT METALS in PPM:
    iron--------------------1
    chromium-------------0
    nickel------------------0
    aluminum-------------2
    copper-----------------0
    lead--------------------0
    tin----------------------0
    cadmium--------------0
    silver-------------------0
    titanium---------------0
    vanadium-------------0

    Other (semi) METALS:
    silicon-----------------8
    sodium----------------1
    potassium-------------1
    MULTI-SOURCE METALS:
    molybdenum---------1
    Antimony-------------0
    Manganese-----------0
    Lithium---------------0
    boron------------------14
    ADDITIVE "METALS":
    magnesium-----------7
    calcium----------------1935
    barium-----------------0
    phosphorus------------1509
    zinc---------------------1676


    Water------------- < .1%
    visc 100įC----------------9.2 (Claimed 9.0)
    TBN--------------------6.41
    oxidation-------------- 38
    nitration--------------- 9

    Buttload of ZDDP and of course we really cannot see the ester based stuff....I have to go now cuz I cannot see the puter screen anymore as my wood is in the way. I will be testing this stuff. My PC expired CompSyn so I need to renew under you....so I guess I can go to your website and renew my PC and order a couple of cases?

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