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    Hey Sarge seems like a few people including myself are curious about winter grade gas. Maybe it would be better as a tread of its own? My main concern is tuning with it. I am ready to have my car tuned (finally) but don't want it to be "off" cause of the winter gas.

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    I'll do a write up.....

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    Yeah, it's just that everyone on all the threads I've been reading concerning this have been saying that they've noticed at least a little bit of a mileage increase. I wasn't expecting miracles, but I guess the combination of the cold weather and the winter gas and negated any positive mileage effect the cleaning of the TC-W3 has had on my engine.

    But the engine is running smoother, and except for the gauges reading normal while sitting at a traffic light, you would never know it's even running. Like I said, I'm curious to see how it'll do during the summer when I'm towing.

    As for the snowblower, it started today on the second pull. It's been sitting outside in sub-zero weather for a few weeks. The electric starter crapped out on me last winter, and I haven't gotten around to replacing it. I might not have to.

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    I am running TC-W3 in four different vehicles right now. In our '04 Dodge Stratus it definitely increased the mileage. My '04 Ford Ranger has not really experienced any improvement, but the other benefits are worth it imo. I don't keep track of the mileage in the other two as they are not dd's.

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    just like to say hi. i've read all 39 pages of this thread, and googled some more info, some calling it "snake oil", some calling it "damaging to internal components of the fuel system", and others just say it all BS..... (by the way signed up JUST to comment on this thread).

    i figure what the hell....... i read threw all the questions, all the replies, and headed to wally world and found some supertech 2 cycle TC-W3 gal jug for $10 (+ tax of course) and dropped it in the cart.

    this local wally world has Penziol TC-W3 as well for just over $16/gal, and WAY UP from there for different brands........

    the only GM product i have is my "Goober Mobile" (06 pontiac minivan, 3.5L), so don't hate on me to bad. my other rides are an 2000 F250 V10, 4x4, headers, gutted cat, Flowmaster original 40 series, 9" lift, 39.5 tires, and 4.56 gears, 75,500 on the odometer........ and my other ride is (new to me) 2002 Ford Excursion V10, bone stock, except for some stereo upgrades, factory 4.30 gears with limited slip, 147,800 on the odometer. long story short, i traded a 1992 Z71 regular cab with 150K miles, minor mods, for the Excursion and $2K to boot...... hate to part with the truck, but couldn't pass up the upgrade.

    well the 06 pontiac van has had a miss since i first picked up this wretched thing, the dealer says it's "not abnormal" for them to have one, no codes, not misfires detected via their computers. the miss is ever so slight, but you can see the tach needle fluctuate ever so slightly while sitting there idling. WELL....... the wife went to town to get some supplies, and i filled a 4oz. in an old baby bottle (got a couple left over from 4 kids) and waited till she got home and put the "snake oil" in and let it idle while we unloaded the groceries........10 min of idling and a quick trip to the dollar store for non food related items and sitting in the parking lot, i shut the radio off, sat there quiet and ....... NO MISS... WTF?? i figured it was just not missing that the moment..... drove home (apx 1mile) sat in the drive way, same thing.... NO MISS, no fluctuation of the tach needle nothing, real smooth. i step out of the van, and i did notice a slight fuel "smell", just a tinge, can't really describe it, but it was there....... so after about 20min of run time, there was a difference......no mpg to report, but on average is about 24mpg mixed driving (20 miles to town, running around town, and 20 miles back).

    ok on to the trucks....... first, the weekend warrior.... i've had this truck for 6 years, GREAT truck, i changed the plugs at 65,000 miles (not fords 100,000 miles recommended interval). the plugs were way out of gap, and corroded. well i put recommended platinum heat range plugs equivalent to OEM specs. about at 73000 there was a noticeable miss, i figured it was an old gas / water in gas type issue since i only drive it a couple times a month, and not very far usually (never threw code, and no COP misfire issues either). i had added "HEAT" to it to try and clear up the water the last fill up, and the miss was still there. well today i figure it was as close to full as i was going to get (29.5 gal tank), i'd filled it up last week, and drove it home, that was it. SO i measure out 5oz of TC-W3 (might have been just a hair closer to 5.75oz) and put in the tank..... then i went for a spin...... let it warm up for about 10 min, headed down the road to the hardware store. 12 miles one way....... i'll admit, didn't notice much of anything, but it was all cool, i was cruising in my big truck, i always enjoy it. got to the hard ware store, headed in to get my supplies and got ready for the cruise home. turned the key and the ol 10 banger just felt smoother, fired right up, and as i set my ipod........hhhmmm no miss, well i started to head down the road, and i kid you not it was smooooothe........ i did the same thing when i got home, sat in the drive, and just listened, no miss no skip, nothing, nice and smooth..... now when i got out of the truck (still idling), i could REALLY tell the exhaust had an odor to it..... maybe mixed a little heavy, or maybe a little extra carbon came loose, not sure, but i could definitely tell there was an odor. the "lie-o-meter" mpg reading didn't really change, but i'm not looking for dramatic increase in mpg, if i was worried about that i'd be driving a prius.

    as for the Excursion, haven't filled the tank yet, but i have the oil set aside to drop in the tank when i hit the gas station......44gal, i have 8oz set aside!

    sorry for the long new-b post, but i wanted to throw a thanks out to "SARGE" and all the other informative posts on this thread. i'll be sure and try and pop back in to report on how things are going!

    thanks again

    Jason

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    Been running Penziol TC W3 marine synthetic on my vehicles, 2 town cars, 1 gmc 4.6 PU, and a MGB for about 3 months now with the 1oz to 5 gallons regular gas fomular... The vehicles all run much smoother and idle much better after using this mixture...I have not checked on the mileage yet because all my driving is in town and I don't keep up with it unless on highway, but all vehicles run much smoother.......Had to get my 98 Town Car checked for the emission test this week for the North Carolina yearly inspection, and it is linked directly to Raleigh NC headquarters, so no getting around the test....The car has 94000 or so miles and it PASSED with no problems....So by using the TC W3 added to gasoline does NOT clog the cats or oxygen sensors...

    Just wanted to let all you know it's good for my autos and I intend to keep using it...

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    Glad i'm not the only one still doing this...works great and never had a prob

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    I am still running a 1 oz to 5 gal mix. My normal two week fill is like 10.2 gal. I just squirt a healthy 2 oz in the hole, . I don't track my gas mileage, but I have not noticed any bad or ill affects. I think my car ran pretty well before the treatment, so I don't have any better MPG stories or smoother idle stories. I think the good news is I don't have any bad stories.

    thanks Sarge for starting this post. I look back on all of those nah sayers, and can only say nothing bad has happened to either of my z28s.

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    i tried it for a few tankfuls and noticed a difference, but i missed the it the last couple tanks. i notice a rougher, choppier idle to it now.

    i just need a better way to add it than "when i get home" because i always forget or its too cold or some crap. i gotta put it in right at gas time but i havent been able to find a bottle that wont leak all over the trunk.

    i was noticing L/100KM rating went from 12.0 to 11.5 when it was in the tank. so it is worth it financially i guess, i plan to get back to it next time i fill up.

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    I found the best way to get the right mixture is to use an empty water bottle marked off in 50 ml increments. Then I look at the receipt from the fill up, since the place I go for gas shows the exact amount of gas purchased. For example, it might say 60.537 litres, which is 60,537 ml (1 litre = 1,000 millilitres). I divide by 500, and the result is how much TC-W3 I put in. So, 60,537 divided by 500 is 121.074. So I'd put enough TC-W3 into the bottle to fill up to halfway between the 100 ml and 150 ml marks, add a little gas to it to make it thinner, give it a shake, and pour it into the tank. This works out to about 4 oz for 16 gallons.

    I've been using it for every tank, although occasionally I might miss one. I haven't noticed much difference in mileage, but the engine is running much smoother and quieter. So far, I've run about a litre and a half through the engine over the past few months. And the effect on my old snowblower is unbelievable. After sitting for weeks, it starts on the second pull, and has a lot more power. Which is good, because the weather-guessers are saying we might get up to a foot of snow over the weekend.

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    i'm still running tc-w3 wal-mart brand. still runs great. i dont measure to the T. just the 1oz/5gal sometimes it's on the rich side. but the car has'nt had one problem and i've ran about 10,000miles worth threw the engine and have half a gal left in the jug. it has 12,000miles on it now, i abuse it from time to time, no issues what so ever.

    i have a dodge with 204,000miles. i'm going to start putting some in it and see what kinds of results i notice from it. it has many hard miles, it should help ease the stress on that old motor..

    i'll comment on the dodge after a few tanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubberhead View Post
    i tried it for a few tankfuls and noticed a difference, but i missed the it the last couple tanks. i notice a rougher, choppier idle to it now.

    i just need a better way to add it than "when i get home" because i always forget or its too cold or some crap. i gotta put it in right at gas time but i haven't been able to find a bottle that wont leak all over the trunk.

    i was noticing L/100KM rating went from 12.0 to 11.5 when it was in the tank. so it is worth it financially i guess, i plan to get back to it next time i fill up.
    I have heard people using their old Lucas bottles.

    I use a syringe looking thing we found at WalMart. I think it was in the food isle or some odd place like that. It has ml and oz markings and holds up to 2 oz. You could find something like that and then a rubber plug to cap/cover the end.

    I hear the popular method is go to the baby isle and get one of those things you use to measure out formula. You could get a small baby bottle. I think they have 4 oz bottles.

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    I use a baby bottle

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    Quote Originally Posted by kool-aide View Post
    I am still running a 1 oz to 5 gal mix. My normal two week fill is like 10.2 gal. I just squirt a healthy 2 oz in the hole, . I don't track my gas mileage, but I have not noticed any bad or ill affects. I think my car ran pretty well before the treatment, so I don't have any better MPG stories or smoother idle stories. I think the good news is I don't have any bad stories.

    thanks Sarge for starting this post. I look back on all of those nah sayers, and can only say nothing bad has happened to either of my z28s.
    Just sharing my observations man......It is funny....this thread is all over the internet...it works ...it is cheap and easy to do.....

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    Stabil Bottles work amazing too.... you can dose out clear to the 1/4 oz....


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    sarge, my uncle uses Lucas in his cars. he was really interested when i told him about it. i think the first thought in his head was cost. why spend a lot of money if there is an equivalent alternative for less.


    suede, that is a great idea. pretty good use for the old bottle.

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    Lucas is just a solvent based very short term benefit product.

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    Doh! I just filled up today, and when I got home, I put in the required amount of oil from the new bottle of oil I had bought about a week or so ago. When I was cleaning up, I noticed that it was different than the other oil I had been using. It was SuperTech Universal 2-stroke oil, not the SuperTech TC-W3 outboard motor oil that I had been using previously. The labels on the bottles were close enough that it's an easy mistake to make.

    So if I understand it correctly, the universal 2-stroke oil won't hurt anything, but I won't gain the benefits of the TC-W3, since it doesn't contain any (does it?). Would it still have the UCL benefits, but not the cleaning?

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    Firstly you did not hurt anything and yes there is a benefit.....as in UCL....just go back to the TCW3. No blood no foul.

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    I came across this thread about 2 weeks ago...read through most of it and liked what I was reading. Got my truck back from the body shop and Went over to the local sporting goods store, picked up a bottle of TC-W3 by Citgo ($9/gal) and one of their mix oil measuring bottles. Boogied over to Conoco and topped off my tank for the week. Checked my mileage, it chalked out to 15.125 mpg. Mind you, I'm out in the garage and not near my computer and I fill that measuring cup up to the 10 gal mark at 100:1 and then again to the 16 gal mark at 100:1 since my tank is 26 gallons...I drive around and notice that everything is really smooth and purring like a kitten. I get to work the next day and log back in to the thread since something is nagging me in the back of my head...that sure was alot of oil to add....turns out I put 5 times the recommended dosage in my tank!?!? I got concerned, but had read that I would lose some power and that things wouldn't run as smooth....I drove my tank down to half, filled up with same fuel from Conoco and checked my mileage. 16.751 mpg! right at 10% increase in economy. I figure, either my truck was in that bad of shape, or even a 100:1 dose isn't detrimental to the motor (just the pocketbook).

    Now that I am running what is probably 192:1 (added 13 gals of straight fuel to the previous 13gals of 100:1 mix) I do notice an increase in power, but still a smoother engine. I might not have the same economy, but still happy with the results so far.

    Just my observations. Thanks for listening to me ramble.

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