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This is a discussion on Been testing Oil within the GTO forums, part of the Vehicle Specific category; Hey RAWPWR I am in Palmetto Bay, southern miamidade. Anyway my update, I haven't driven the car much which is ...

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    Hey RAWPWR I am in Palmetto Bay, southern miamidade.

    Anyway my update, I haven't driven the car much which is normal but I also went out of town w/o the Goat and have been on the bike some. But I have about 75 miles on the 1st tank and due not see and difference yet. I am going to Gainesville this weekend so I will be able to see how it is with a quick 700-800 mile round trip.


    GO CANES!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge View Post
    you guys know I test constantly and oil/tribology is my thing so here goes. I know the gasoline today is shit. Very dry and poor quality. Throw in ethanol and you got crap/corrosive gasoline. I use Fuel Power/Lucas UCL with great success in my cars and other peoples cars. At the first of the year some of us "lubrication physcho's" (mainly from the aircraft industry) discussed the shit quality of gasoline and the absolute advantages of running a fuel additive with lubrication capabilities and I think the testing is now complete and the results are very good. Biggest problem we had was the proper amount but we are now satisfied this works very well and you will have a smoother running engine/more power/better MPG....so here it is.....
    What we are trying to accomplish ( The deliverables)
    We need to lubricate the fuel pump/seals/injectors.
    We need to clean the fuel system and scavenge water that ethanol attracts.
    We need a film of protection in our fuel system to stop corrosion.
    We need a cleaner for our spark plugs/valves/combustion chambers.
    We need to clean the ring packs
    We need to leave a film on the cylinder walls to eliminate cold start metal wear.
    This was my groups short list of deliverables. Of course we knew if we accomplished this list the car should A) Run Smoother B) Run more efficiently C) Parts will last longer i.e. fuel pumps/injectors etc. D) We should see more RWHP and MPG
    We did it. For pennies.
    2 Stroke oil. Not just any two stroke oil But we needed the detergents etc. and found the perfect oil/add packs/viscosity in a marine 2 stroke oil you can get for under $10 bucks a gallon anywhere. We used Pennzoil Marine 2 stroke for our testing. Here is the "blurb" from Pennzoil.....
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    Pennzoil Marine® Full Synthetic
    Ultimate Protection
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    Pennzoil Marine® Full Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil is designed for your hard-working, large displacement, high-horsepower 2-cycle engine. High temperature protection is necessary for higher horsepower engines. High temperatures in an engine can cause loss of lubrication, carbon deposits, piston-scuffing, and pre-ignition. The combination of synthetic ester base oils and a premium, ashless performance package in Pennzoil Marine® Full Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil provides protection for high horsepower applications that require approved NMMA TC-W3® oil.
    Benefits:
    Pennzoil Marine® Full Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil is recommended for use in those makes and models of water-cooled, 2-cycle engines with direct injection systems, oil injection systems or those requiring use of a pre-mix. It is recommended for and meets the warranty requirements of Johnson/Evinrude, Mercury Marine, Yamaha, Suzuki, Force/US Marine, Mariner and others requiring NMMA TC-W3® oils.

    Pennzoil Marine® Full Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil:

    • Performs in extreme conditions.
    • Provides excellent lubricity to protect against piston- and cylinder-scuffing.
    • Helps protect against ring sticking, exhaust port deposits, and spark plug fouling.
    • Biodegradable and low aquatic toxicity.
    • Recommended for direct injection engines.

    Whether running full throttle to open water for that fishing tournament, cruising your favorite waterway, pulling a skier or racing you need an oil to protect your high-horsepower engine. Pennzoil Marine® Full Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil is that oil.
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    Use 1oz of the two stroke oil per 5 gallons of gas ( 1oz-5gallons/ 2ozs - 10 gallons etc. and that is the perfect ratio. Too much and it will make your engine run worse....too little and it wont do anything.....use the proper amount.....get a little bottle and keep it in your car.....We have seen a maximum of 5% better MPG down to a minimum of 2% better MPG. All of our test mules reported much smoother idles and cruising. No smoking or ill effects. No residue on plugs our pistons....actually the opposite....we saw "cleaning".....I am now comfortable recommending this for all. I also now run this mixture in my GTO/Mercedes/Silverado and G6 with all having smoother running motors and all gaining MPG. Give it a try and let me know your experience. Follow the mixture ratio to the letter. 1 oz per 5 gallons of gas.
    Just giving a quick update and THANKS to Sarge!!After 3 tanks with this "mixture" i am now getting and average of "3" MPG. I did change this mix a little though, i use 1oz per 4 gallons......seems to be working PERFECT!!!thanks again.

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    3mpg better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrizioD View Post
    Update... took the GTO on a 180-mile, mostly highway round trip (not holding back on the pedal) and averages 26.9mpg (through calculations done by me, not by onboard computer). This kicks ass; gas is gettin cheaper, and I'm getting better fuel economy than my neighbor's brand new V6 Mustang....
    Now a story like this is what makes it all worth it for me personally.

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    how does this compare to seafoaming?
    or does seafoaming do something different?
    Last edited by lakai; 09-06-2008 at 08:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge View Post
    3mpg better?
    just making sure, since im adding this "mix", i dont have to add any fuel injecter cleaner or anything like that right!!or any octane booster??

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    Guys i seem to be having a little problem. I've just finished my 2nd tank with the 5oz per gallon Tcw3 oil, and I'm actually averaging 1mpg BELOW what I normally do. Havn't changed driving habits at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppn View Post
    Guys i seem to be having a little problem. I've just finished my 2nd tank with the 5oz per gallon Tcw3 oil, and I'm actually averaging 1mpg BELOW what I normally do. Havn't changed driving habits at all
    weather a factor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppn View Post
    Guys i seem to be having a little problem. I've just finished my 2nd tank with the 5oz per gallon Tcw3 oil, and I'm actually averaging 1mpg BELOW what I normally do. Havn't changed driving habits at all
    Thats because its supposed to be ONE ounce oil per FIVE Gallons gas. Simple mistake, easy to fix...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppn View Post
    Guys i seem to be having a little problem. I've just finished my 2nd tank with the 5oz per gallon Tcw3 oil, and I'm actually averaging 1mpg BELOW what I normally do. Havn't changed driving habits at all
    i hope you are not doing 5oz per gallon of gas. you have the ratio backwards. it's 1oz per 5 gallons of gas.

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    ah FUCK


    lol, I typed it backwards. I'm using the right ratio, I MEANT to say 1oz per 5 gallons. Sorry guys lol

    so to clear things up I typed the wrong ratio, but i am in fact using 1oz per 5 gallons

    come on guys, if i really did do 5oz per gallon id need like 5 bottles of the stuff to pour in my tank, i would hope some people wouldn't think im THAT stupid



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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppn View Post
    Guys i seem to be having a little problem. I've just finished my 2nd tank with the 5oz per gallon Tcw3 oil, and I'm actually averaging 1mpg BELOW what I normally do. Havn't changed driving habits at all
    Where were you when I was buying my weed for the winter? Shit I could have got a truck load for $500 bucks.
    1oz of 2stroke oil to 5 gallons of gasoline. Not 5oz per gallon....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppn View Post
    ah FUCK


    lol, I typed it backwards. I'm using the right ratio, I MEANT to say 1oz per 5 gallons. Sorry guys lol

    so to clear things up I typed the wrong ratio, but i am in fact using 1oz per 5 gallons

    come on guys, if i really did do 5oz per gallon id need like 5 bottles of the stuff to pour in my tank, i would hope some people wouldn't think im THAT stupid


    Good....I was hoping you didnt for all the mosquitoes sake....
    MPG isnt an exact science in this exercise....it is about cleaning the top end and lubricating the top end/pump.....1mpg over what period of time and mileage?

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    I just recently bought a 1998 T/A and am going to start trying this tommorrow since I only get 17 city and 22 highway! Thats for all the information.

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    hey I've had good results on my 98 ss, I also have a 03 r6 motorcycle I was wondering if this would work on my motorcycle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slpcamaro View Post
    hey I've had good results on my 98 ss, I also have a 03 r6 motorcycle I was wondering if this would work on my motorcycle?
    Any gasoline burning engine.

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    Intersting ... gonna try it on the DD ... thanks Sarge!

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    Update on my expirience.

    I made a big loop around the state last weekend, Miami - Jacksonville - Gainesville - Miami. About 900 miles. I tried a couple of different concentrations over the trip and while I do not have long term logs or anything like that and very little expirience with the car (bought it about 1700 miles ago) I can say that based on my DIC keeping similar speeds I seem to get a little less than 1 mpg better at about 1:450 compared to 1:600 after seeing this difference I did not feel any need to check with no 2 stroke. I also noticed that on a strech that I follow regularly that I could consistantly set cruise at 52 and get 26.8 with a/c and 29.4 with out in the instant read out when there was no 2-stroke. With the 2-stroke I was getting 27.8 and 31.2.
    I also noticed that the dic was calculating about .7 mpg worse than actual, I do not burn cloe to the amount of gas the computer says I burned.
    The engine seems to idle smoother but as I said I did not have the car long so I am not certain of this, I tried this on the second or third tank I bought for the car. I di notice a hesitation on cold starts that was not there the last 2-3 days.
    Will post more updates if I have anything to report.

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