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    Quote Originally Posted by 2K05GT View Post
    easy, if you can pull around 1.5's you will see 10.9's what engine work do you have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by N20LT4 View Post
    355 11:1 w/ SCAT 4340 crank, SCAT H-beam rods, Speed Pro Forged pistons, SDM custom cam, stock LT1 heads, NOS Direct port kit, bolt-ons, Kooks 1-7/8 LT's/Y-pipe w/ Random Technology 3" cat, B&B Tri-Flo exhaust, Engine Management Systems 8860 series ECU. Car was tuned by Keith @ http://www.forcefedperformance.com/.
    Totally Sick, I love the NOS Direct port kit in your avatar pic. cool.

    I wish the CAMS on the S197 were easy to do and cheaper. but being 3 valve over head cams and having variable Cam Timing make it hard to get power from cams. the most S197's have seen from a set of cams is between 30-40 hp. not worth the 2 grand to have done. cheaper to have the heads ported and polished for the same power.
    http://www.mustang50magazine.com/tec...ads/index.html

    this has always been a huge advantage for the LT and LS engines. they love cams for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2K05GT View Post
    Totally Sick, I love the NOS Direct port kit in your avatar pic. cool.
    The picture is my intake/direct-port kit. It is a NOS Direct Port Universal kit, with a little custom fabrication. Everything was completed/installed by Force Fed Performance. I recently swapped the BBK/Edelbrock 58mm throttle body for an AS&M Mono-Blade.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2K05GT View Post
    I wish the CAMS on the S197 were easy to do and cheaper. but being 3 valve over head cams and having variable Cam Timing make it hard to get power from cams. the most S197's have seen from a set of cams is between 30-40 hp. not worth the 2 grand to have done. cheaper to have the heads ported and polished for the same power.
    http://www.mustang50magazine.com/tec...ads/index.html

    this has always been a huge advantage for the LT and LS engines. they love cams for sure.
    I helped a friend dissasemble the valvetrain/cam gear on a '99 (I believe??) Lincoln LS 4-valve motor. It was the most challenging cam job i've ever been involved with. Mind boggling to say the least. I probably would never do one again. I couldn't figure out how to get both cam chain's back on the right way. He ended up figuring it all out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2K05GT View Post
    Thanks, I am an old guy, a grandfather of 2, I have built engines in the past, I raced in the late 70's to early 80's. I am a realist, I mean come on, do people really think that a normally asperated 4.6l could out power a 5.7L mod for mod?
    if they do then they need their head examined the physics are not there.
    what else can I say? the only Mustangs I have ever liked was the 67-72 years. I loved my 1971 455 Trans Am, white with blue stripes and a shaker scoop. man I loved that car.
    yeah. those old trans ams with the blue stripes and shaker hood were sweet. i would love to get one someday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N20LT4 View Post
    The picture is my intake/direct-port kit. It is a NOS Direct Port Universal kit, with a little custom fabrication. Everything was completed/installed by Force Fed Performance. I recently swapped the BBK/Edelbrock 58mm throttle body for an AS&M Mono-Blade.



    I helped a friend dissasemble the valvetrain/cam gear on a '99 (I believe??) Lincoln LS 4-valve motor. It was the most challenging cam job i've ever been involved with. Mind boggling to say the least. I probably would never do one again. I couldn't figure out how to get both cam chain's back on the right way. He ended up figuring it all out.
    I am helping a friend this summer build a 5.4 Tritan 3 valve for his V6 Mustang
    we are converting it to a V8. the Tritan is a torque monster is used for trucks, it's an aluminum block so weight will not be an issue like in the GT500 5.4L iron block 4 valve. He is also installing a Turbo on it so it should be fun...

    You have any pictures of your car?

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    Quote Originally Posted by N20LT4 View Post



    I helped a friend dissasemble the valvetrain/cam gear on a '99 (I believe??) Lincoln LS 4-valve motor. It was the most challenging cam job i've ever been involved with. Mind boggling to say the least. I probably would never do one again. I couldn't figure out how to get both cam chain's back on the right way. He ended up figuring it all out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2K05GT View Post
    I am helping a friend this summer build a 5.4 Tritan 3 valve for his V6 Mustang
    we are converting it to a V8. the Tritan is a torque monster is used for trucks, it's an aluminum block so weight will not be an issue like in the GT500 5.4L iron block 4 valve. He is also installing a Turbo on it so it should be fun...

    You have any pictures of your car?
    No very recent pics. I posted some pics in the "Camaro SS" Post your Camaro's. I think there on page 7 or 8 - one of the last pages.

    Quote Originally Posted by 99 Kobra View Post
    2000 is the first year for Lincoln LS.
    Okay. I figured I was off by a year or two. Thanx for the correction!
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    Great thread. Nice to see a little sharing of performance info and race experience between the Mustang and GM guys!

    As to the original post, based on your mods you probably shouldn't line up with the blown '07 GT. Provided he is even close to being an "average" driver, it shouldn't be that close of a race.

    Stock vs. stock the LS1 has a slight advantage (with all other parts being equal), however even if the S/C was his only mod (and such is not the case based on what you said about the exhaust note) he would have more than enough to take you down.

    Alternatively, slap a few mods on and a 150 shot and give him a run. If he's only lightly modded, you'll have a shot. If he has a well modded car capable of 10's or low 11's, it shouldn't take but a second or two to come to that realization. HAHA!
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    Sounds like fun. I say be a man and run him. Say good time whether its a win or lose.

    I get tired of everyone acting like a dick towards other car guys. I know most of the time it's the other guy, but don't act like 'em.

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    Ya, like I said earlier, I have no illusions of beating him...his car is faster than mine (for now). It would be a fun race regardless...I was just curious what mods I would have to do to be competititve. Not too hot on the N20 idea and I like N/A but that probably means a couple thousand for heads, cam and headers (and tune). Oh well, it only takes money right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckie669 View Post
    Sounds like fun. I say be a man and run him. Say good time whether its a win or lose.

    I get tired of everyone acting like a dick towards other car guys. I know most of the time it's the other guy, but don't act like 'em.
    Exactly...

    I raced a neighbors Lingenfelter Corvette, he wanted to run I was like sure why not, you are going to not only beat me down the street, you would come back and do it again LOL.. It was still fun seeing those tail lights going down the street... When I finally cought up we turned into the neighborhood and and he said he loves the way may car sounds, I said, I love the Lingenfelter Corvette, we both waved and gave a thumbs up.

    So to the OP, Race him, have fun win or loose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight02 View Post

    Stock vs. stock the LS1 has a slight advantage (with all other parts being equal), however even if the S/C was his only mod (and such is not the case based on what you said about the exhaust note) he would have more than enough to take you down.
    I hate to keep repeating myself, but I just can't stress it enough...an LS1 M6 has more than a slight advantage over an S197 GT stock to stock. Something in the area of a Mach 1 is a closer race for an LS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N20LT4 View Post
    I hate to keep repeating myself, but I just can't stress it enough...an LS1 M6 has more than a slight advantage over an S197 GT stock to stock. Something in the area of a Mach 1 is a closer race for an LS.
    Actually the S197 and Mach 1 were simular performers.
    2003 Mach 1
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    Curb Weight 3465 lbs. (manual) 3475 lbs. (automatic)

    road&track 2004 - Mach 1 Registry FAQ
    2003 Mach 1: 0-60 5.2, 0-100 12.2, 1/4mile 13.7 @ 105.7, top speed 151 .
    The Mach 1 was equipped with a unique R-Code 4.6 L DOHC engine based on the DOHC engine available in the 1999 and 2001 Mustang Cobras, with new cylinder heads from the 2003 to 2004 Cobra and camshafts from the 5.4 L Triton engine. The engine was rated at 305 hp (227 kW) and raised to 310 hp (231 kW) in 2004 (Hot Rod magazine actually dyno-tested a 2003 Mach 1 and found it to produce approximately 325 hp).

    There have been some Stock 2004 Mach 1's reaching low 13 1/4 mile times.

    2005 Mustang GT
    300 hp @ 5,750 RPM
    320 ft-lbs. @ 4,500 RPM
    Curb Weight 3440 lbs. (manual) 3480 lbs. (automatic)

    road&track 2005 .
    2005 Mustang GT: 0-60 4.9, 0-100 13.0, 1/4mile 13.5 @ 103.7, top speed 147 .
    The 2005 Mustang which was codenamed "S-197" and based on an all-new D2C platform was Developed under the direction of Chief Engineer Hau Thai-Tang and exterior styling designer Sid Ramnarace, the fifth generation Mustang draws inspiration from Mustangs of the 1960s. The Mustang GT features a more rugged Tremec TR-3650 transmission with an all aluminum 300 hp (224 kW) 4.6 L 3-valve Modular V8 with variable camshaft timing.

    The 2005 Mustang GT's new aluminum MOD (modular) V8 is a single overhead cam design using three valves (2 intake, 1 exhaust) per cylinder. Incorporated in this new engine is Ford's VCT or variable camshaft timing, which is their version of a concept that has been used successfully by Japanese automakers for years. It essentially allows for variation of the overall valve timing and can optimize power output over a wider engine RPM range.

    Stock Times:
    Mach 1 (avg 13.6)
    http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustan...slip-7630.html
    http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustan...lip-12359.html

    2005 GT (avg 13.5)
    http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustan...lip-14900.html
    http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustan...slip-4200.html

    LS1 Camaro (avg 13.4)
    http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-C...lip-11668.html
    http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-C...slip-9210.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2K05GT View Post
    Actually the S197 and 04 Mach 1 were simular performers.
    2004 Mach 1
    305 hp @ 6000 RPM
    320 ft-lbs 4250 RPM
    Curb Weight 3465 lbs. (manual) 3475 lbs. (automatic)

    road&track 2004 -
    2003 Mach 1: 0-60 5.2, 0-100 12.2, 1/4mile 13.7 @ 105.7, top speed 151 .

    2005 Mustang GT
    300 hp @ 5,750 RPM
    320 ft-lbs. @ 4,500 RPM
    Curb Weight 3440 lbs. (manual) 3480 lbs. (automatic)

    road&track 2005 .
    2005 Mustang GT: 0-60 4.9, 0-100 13.0, 1/4mile 13.5 @ 103.7, top speed 147 .

    the gearing on the 5 sp Manual and Autos helped the S197 to sqeak a better 1/4 mile times than from the 04 Mach 1.

    Stock Times:
    Mach 1 (avg 13.6)
    http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustan...slip-7630.html
    http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustan...lip-12359.html

    2005 GT (avg 13.5)
    http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustan...lip-14900.html
    http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustan...slip-4200.html

    LS1 Camaro (avg 13.4)
    http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-C...lip-11668.html
    http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-C...slip-9210.html
    I get your drift bud, but the numbers you have listed do not tell the whole story. Most Mach 1's at the strip (And I have seen many run @ the strip!) pull 13.5-13.6@103-104 with a good driver. Majority of S197 cars (No disrespect) I see run low 14's to high 13's - with 13.80's @ around 101-102. I would put my money on a Mach any day stock for stock against an '05-08 GT. An LS1 w/ a good driver is likely to pull 13.4-13.50's, while your S197 with a likewise drive is in the 13.80-13.90 range. LS1's clearly put a considerable amount more power to ground.

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    I say RACE.. I ran a New, and I mean new... temp plate still on it < course they go for 30 days I guess> Blue CS/GT Mustang that had some sort of F/I.. I could HEAR it, no mistaking that sound. I ran him three times. Once on the highway from a 55 ish roll.. to about 110ish. Second time on the tail end of the off ramp, he tried to slingshot past me.. probably embarrassed by his loss on the highway.. Then one more time from a street light a half mile or so up the road. He pulled ok until second gear.. Guy was Super cool too, complimented me on my car. I returned the favor. He did have a passenger tho, that may have hurt him a bit. But I aint a small guy. 6' 228 pounds or so (It varies with how I am doing on my diet ) So you never know... My car has a few mods. But it certainly isn't a beast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 01T-TopToy View Post
    I say RACE.. I ran a New, and I mean new... temp plate still on it < course they go for 30 days I guess> Blue CS/GT Mustang that had some sort of F/I.. I could HEAR it, no mistaking that sound. I ran him three times. Once on the highway from a 55 ish roll.. to about 110ish. Second time on the tail end of the off ramp, he tried to slingshot past me.. probably embarrassed by his loss on the highway.. Then one more time from a street light a half mile or so up the road. He pulled ok until second gear.. Guy was Super cool too, complimented me on my car. I returned the favor. He did have a passenger tho, that may have hurt him a bit. But I aint a small guy. 6' 228 pounds or so (It varies with how I am doing on my diet ) So you never know... My car has a few mods. But it certainly isn't a beast.
    Like I said. It wouldn't suprise me if a cammed LS1 showed taillights to a lightly boosted S197.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N20LT4 View Post
    I get your drift bud, but the numbers you have listed do not tell the whole story. Most Mach 1's at the strip (And I have seen many run @ the strip!) pull 13.5-13.6@103-104 with a good driver. Majority of S197 cars (No disrespect) I see run low 14's to high 13's - with 13.80's @ around 101-102. I would put my money on a Mach any day stock for stock against an '05-08 GT. An LS1 w/ a good driver is likely to pull 13.4-13.50's, while your S197 with a likewise drive is in the 13.80-13.90 range. LS1's clearly put a considerable amount more power to ground.
    I most cases yes, you are correct, the mach 1 had a nice motor heck if the Newdge Gt was just like the mach 1 it would have been a better car, but there are some technological advances the S197 has over the new edge models. even the 4 valve 4.6. and thats the VCT for one, and two is the new trannies manage the power better.

    this was a drag day with the Northern Virginia Mustang Club
    and the sister club, Northern Virginia Corvette Club. the Track is Mason Dixon, and the DA was 2000 ft.

    Your experience and mine could be realated to where we live like previously stated, I have never seen a S197 run a consistant 13.9 or above runs ever. the 05 Automatic I have seen run all day at 13.8. and Manuals 13.6. Or maybe us Virginia S197 owners are better drivers because we race with Corvettes every month LOL ...

    check out the following videos:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=t48QZyShvzQ
    5:12 - stock S197 body kit Stock 04 Mach 1

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=6z8PSHetsMI
    4:26 - me vs red corvette (c5)

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=BAmfondxNjU
    2:02 - Mach 1 vs 2007 GT both stock

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=1rg5iezuui8
    3:28 - Mach 1 Vs Corvette
    4:25 - Mach 1 Vs Me
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    Quote Originally Posted by 01T-TopToy View Post
    I say RACE.. I ran a New, and I mean new... temp plate still on it < course they go for 30 days I guess> Blue CS/GT Mustang that had some sort of F/I.. I could HEAR it, no mistaking that sound. I ran him three times. Once on the highway from a 55 ish roll.. to about 110ish. Second time on the tail end of the off ramp, he tried to slingshot past me.. probably embarrassed by his loss on the highway.. Then one more time from a street light a half mile or so up the road. He pulled ok until second gear.. Guy was Super cool too, complimented me on my car. I returned the favor. He did have a passenger tho, that may have hurt him a bit. But I aint a small guy. 6' 228 pounds or so (It varies with how I am doing on my diet ) So you never know... My car has a few mods. But it certainly isn't a beast.
    I think you are talking about the CS6 Supercharged V6 by Shelby,
    the CS/GT did not have a supercharger, it is only a body mod stock GT

    http://www.rsportscars.com/ford/2006...-cs-6-mustang/

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2K05GT View Post
    I think you are talking about the CS6 Supercharged V6 by Shelby,
    the CS/GT did not have a supercharger, it is only a body mod stock GT

    http://www.rsportscars.com/ford/2006...-cs-6-mustang/
    I know which car your referring too. But no. I distinctly saw the CS/GT body kit/striping on the car. The front valance has a distinctive style to it. I didn't say the car came new with it, only that it had the F/I on it, perhaps I could have stated that a bit clearer, my bad. Car was gorgeous too. Blue exterior. Black Convt. top just a striking look, Sounded nice as well, the exhaust left no doubt it was a V8 at all.
    When I raced it I posted asking if anyone knew if they came that way, was a couple months back here in the kills section. Alot of guys spoke up and I even went to Vancouver Ford to look at the inventory. It was a California Special GT Mustang with Convertible top, manual transmission.
    Just like this but blue http://www.fordpower.net/main/Press-...(GT%10CS).html

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01T-TopToy View Post
    I know which car your referring too. But no. I distinctly saw the CS/GT body kit/striping on the car. The front valance has a distinctive style to it. I didn't say the car came new with it, only that it had the F/I on it, perhaps I could have stated that a bit clearer, my bad. Car was gorgeous too. Blue exterior. Black Convt. top just a striking look, Sounded nice as well, the exhaust left no doubt it was a V8 at all.
    When I raced it I posted asking if anyone knew if they came that way, was a couple months back here in the kills section. Alot of guys spoke up and I even went to Vancouver Ford to look at the inventory. It was a California Special GT Mustang with Convertible top, manual transmission.
    Just like this but blue http://www.fordpower.net/main/Press-...(GT%10CS).html

    The “California Special.” is a nice body kit, I want the rear Valance for my 05 GT. If the car was supercharged at the dealer the tunes are very low power and safe, this is to maintain a 3yr 36m warrenty. One guy in our club got a dealer installed SC and it made 355 RWHP dyno.. thats 385-400 at the crank, My car is doing 380hp to the crank with bolt-ons and I spent 2500 bucks.

    A few weeks ago he went and had it custom tuned and a CAI and now he's around 425 RWHP. the ford tunes suck, then they lie to the customers about the actual HP to make them feel good about spending a ton of money for a measly 75 rwhp. Ford has been doing alot to try to get into the aftermarket arena, but they need to balance between warrenty coverage and the aftermarket money potential.

    Look at Ford Racing web site, the 400hp kit does not state RWHP, thats the catch... http://www.fordracingparts.com/home/home.asp

    So even a Dealer installed Supercharger could get killed by a modded LSx because they are at the same weight and HP. Having a Supercharger does not make the car fast, having a tuned one does. But once tuned you might as well through the warrenty out the window, that the problem most are facing. you spend close to 40K on a car you want a warrenty right. I tossed mine out the windows after a year, I just wanted my car to be faster.
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