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    Quote Originally Posted by cam02ss View Post
    476 on a mustang dyno...we're going to tweak some stuff and throw her on a dynojet.
    Yea, it takes somewhere around there and maybe even a bad driver on the bike..... It takes a lot of HP to take a car past a crotch rocket. I would be so embarassed if you smoked me on my 600. Nice kill dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImpalaSSpeed96 View Post
    Yea, it takes somewhere around there and maybe even a bad driver on the bike..... It takes a lot of HP to take a car past a crotch rocket. I would be so embarassed if you smoked me on my 600. Nice kill dude.
    Yea I know bikes are not slow, alot of my friends have them. Those dyno numbers are also inaccurate. As I said I'd like to get on a dynojet and see what I'm actually making.

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    Bikes tend to think they will outrun everything, and rightly so. They usually do. But, as we have found out, it is not always so. Good kill...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cam02ss View Post
    Yea I know bikes are not slow, alot of my friends have them. Those dyno numbers are also inaccurate. As I said I'd like to get on a dynojet and see what I'm actually making.
    Every Mustang Dyno I've ever seen has been very accurate. I thought it was the dyno jet that was one of the dynos that inflated numbers d2 low resistance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImpalaSSpeed96 View Post
    Every Mustang Dyno I've ever seen has been very accurate. I thought it was the dyno jet that was one of the dynos that inflated numbers d2 low resistance?
    Who knows, everyone seems to go by dynojet numbers so that's what I'd like to get on. When this company recalibrated its dyno they set it very conservitive; at least that's what I was told. In the end they are tuning tools and bragging rights. If I run into trouble thats what the 300 shots for.

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    Damn, a 300 shot. You are gonna have to go from a 100 mph roll to keep from smokin' the tires off the rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roastem View Post
    Bikes tend to think they will outrun everything, and rightly so. They usually do. But, as we have found out, it is not always so. Good kill...

    Correct they usually do. A car needs to be running 10s to beat a newer 600 with a competent rider. Bikes are hard to launch but if you know how to ride one they are unbeatable from a roll. This guy was probably not in his powerband and completely under estimated the car. I have yet to be beat by a car on my bike and I've beat some bad ass cars including a modded Viper GTS from a 30mph roll and I pulled on him hard. Granted i'm not riding a 600 either an RC51 with a few mods and a larger rear sprocket.

    Great kill nonetheless would have loved to see the look on his face!

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    I've found that racing bikes from a higher roll ususally works better than from down low, any sence to that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cam02ss View Post
    I've found that racing bikes from a higher roll ususally works better than from down low, any sence to that?
    Not sure guess it depends on the gearing of the bike and car. I would think the lower roll works better for the car, but so much depends on the rider and power band. Especailly the new 600s that make all their power over 10k. Low rolls with 1000cc bikes are tough because they are wheelie machines and you have to modulate the clutch to get them going which isn't good for a clutch.

    I think some guys are just too cocky with their bikes and don't give some cars the respect they deserve. If I mess with a car that I think could be really fast I make sure i'm in my power band so I leave him in the dust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cam02ss View Post
    I've found that racing bikes from a higher roll ususally works better than from down low, any sence to that?
    I think either way a bike has the advantage, most 600s can run at least 50mph in 1st gear, but a lot of dumbasses have been getting bikes lately because gas prices. I blame the rider in most cases.

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    OK, as a guy who ownes a GSXR 600 and runs it against cars I'll tell ya this. It's all rider.......yes it's a 10.9 machine outa the crate, but no matter what you have under your legs or under your hood, it still takes a rider/driver to make it go. Nice kill tho, glad the guy was cool about it.

    And for the record, 600s 'top out' at 160ish, but they lose all thier 'pull' power after 110 (mines right at 120 with some light mods). So if your still pulling hard past 110 you can beat a bike if you can keep up with it till that speed. Just FYI.


    PS- 1st gear can top out just about anywhere. Some bikes can hit damn near 90 and other's (like my older geared GSXR) top out above 50. And most bikes are deadly from a low 20mph roll to 120ish. I can make it in about 4-5 secs to that speed on a roll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cam02ss View Post
    476 on a mustang dyno...we're going to tweak some stuff and throw her on a dynojet.
    476 rwhp is not going to kill most 600's. A 600 sportbike today will run mid-10's close to 130. 476 rwhp may be good for mid 11's.

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    It amuses me all the talk about cars run this bikes run this, this amount of hp runs this. When cars, bikes or whatever it might be are produced and tested and the numbers put out, its by professtional drivers on a closed road course under controlled perfect condtions. The avg driver will not be able to get the full speed a car/bike is capable of doing. The driver plays a huge part of who wins. No auto pilot u gotta drive it !

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanditTransAm View Post
    OK, as a guy who ownes a GSXR 600 and runs it against cars I'll tell ya this. It's all rider.......yes it's a 10.9 machine outa the crate, but no matter what you have under your legs or under your hood, it still takes a rider/driver to make it go. Nice kill tho, glad the guy was cool about it.

    And for the record, 600s 'top out' at 160ish, but they lose all thier 'pull' power after 110 (mines right at 120 with some light mods). So if your still pulling hard past 110 you can beat a bike if you can keep up with it till that speed. Just FYI.


    PS- 1st gear can top out just about anywhere. Some bikes can hit damn near 90 and other's (like my older geared GSXR) top out above 50. And most bikes are deadly from a low 20mph roll to 120ish. I can make it in about 4-5 secs to that speed on a roll.
    I agree w/ some of this and totally disagree w/ some other points. One I agree w/ is you can get from 20-100 in about 5 seconds or less. One I disagree w/ is the 600s topping out at 160. You must weight about 120 if you're bike tops out at 160 and be riding it for 3 mile stretches. Mine tops out at about 145, maybe 150 if I had a reaaaaal long stretch and I'm 200lbs. You can get em up to 160 but not outta the box. I don't see a 10.9 outta the box either. Mine ran 11.60s till I got the launch down a little better now it does 11.40s around 123 and Ill admit, I'm not a great rider but I don't see getting 5 tenths, I'm not that bad of a rider. Oh yeah, 03 GSXR, prmarily stock.

    I top out at about 60 in first gear, maybe 65.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pumped03 View Post
    476 rwhp is not going to kill most 600's. A 600 sportbike today will run mid-10's close to 130. 476 rwhp may be good for mid 11's.
    You aint takin a 600 to a 10.5 outta the box. Unless its built to be a race bike, I'm 99% positive there is no 600 out there that will go a mid 10 outta the crate.

    Also, 476 to the wheels will give him a 10 second pass in a F-body no problem w/ out traction being a limiting factor.

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    The car is making more than 476....spinning tires on the dyno doesn't help. Apparently either did the two people that were sitting on the trunk...damn light weights.


    476 rwhp may be good for mid 11's.



    I see you're running 11.1 w/ 605/580 to the wheels. Do you still have IRS? Wasn't sure if thats where you basing that comment off of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pumped03 View Post
    476 rwhp is not going to kill most 600's. A 600 sportbike today will run mid-10's close to 130. 476 rwhp may be good for mid 11's.
    476rwhp in a f-bod, not a termi..can brush high 10's-low low 11's
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    476 is still a shit load of power. Add a 3600-4000 stall, if auto of course, and 410s into the mixture w/ proper suspension work and tires, easy 10 second pass in a F-body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImpalaSSpeed96 View Post


    You aint takin a 600 to a 10.5 outta the box. Unless its built to be a race bike, I'm 99% positive there is no 600 out there that will go a mid 10 outta the crate.

    http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/performancedata/


    Man looks like theres several stock 600s that run 10s out of the crate. The newer CBR600rr's, CBR600F4i's, ZX6r's, and even newer GSX-R600's run 10's out of the "crate" no mods at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackz-lt1 View Post
    476rwhp in a f-bod, not a termi..can brush high 10's-low low 11's
    With the correct suspension, weight, gearing, and driver, it doesn't matter if it is an F-Body or Teminator or N/A Mustang.

    In very well prepped car, it is possible go low 10s with that kind of power. Conversely, I've seen cars with that kind of power stuck in the 13s.

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