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This is a discussion on Challenge What???6.1 WHAT!! within the Kill Stories forums, part of the Racing Forums category; i am soooo tired of this heavy b.s......the new cars comming out are heavy for 1 fact..safety regulations....heavy = more ...

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    i am soooo tired of this heavy b.s......the new cars comming out are heavy for 1 fact..safety regulations....heavy = more material..more material= more money..car companies dont like that.....you wonder why the gto and the new maro weight in so much? saftey..these cars arent based on some 40 year old platform and we got lucky to get away with 3600lbs ourselves in our f-bodies. The only way to keep things light are to spend more money on lightweight material then to make it heavy..and for a car that is not its bluechip supercar..its not economically viable

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    well i had one pull behind me last night and hell i thought there were pretty fast for what they are i'm far from stock but that challenger pulled pretty hard i still pulled from the car but hey i was impressed with the way that car pulled i think if you put a stock camaro against a stock challenger it would be a good race good kill though long live the z

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    This is pretty much simple math. Look at the power to weight ratio for each car. 13.04 is much faster than I've seen the local SRT-8's running.

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    yeah i have never seen a srt8 break a 13.5 at my local track, and btw, my stock 02 ss ran 12.89 @110 on dr's so dont give me stock ls1 are mid 13 cars, with a bunch of dumb kids behind the wheel yes but with a driver worth a damn and a car running right their is no excuse to run a mid 13 near sea level

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    Quote Originally Posted by camarojunky74 View Post
    yeah i have never seen a srt8 break a 13.5 at my local track, and btw, my stock 02 ss ran 12.89 @110 on dr's so dont give me stock ls1 are mid 13 cars, with a bunch of dumb kids behind the wheel yes but with a driver worth a damn and a car running right their is no excuse to run a mid 13 near sea level

    good kill op
    dr's arent stock. with out those drs you'd be in the low -mid 13s

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    Quote Originally Posted by shady milkman View Post
    dr's arent stock. with out those drs you'd be in the low -mid 13s
    i do remember the first srt8 challenger the tested in HR i think, and the put intake, exhaust, and Dr's and it still only ran a 13 flat converted from a 1/8 tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hutch1999 View Post
    i do remember the first srt8 challenger the tested in HR i think, and the put intake, exhaust, and Dr's and it still only ran a 13 flat converted from a 1/8 tho.
    hmm thats sad..

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    Quote Originally Posted by shady milkman View Post
    dr's arent stock. with out those drs you'd be in the low -mid 13s
    get me on a prepped track back east, and not hear in so cal, on a track that only gets used 3 times a year, and i bet ill do it again on my toyo tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camarojunky74 View Post
    get me on a prepped track back east, and not hear in so cal, on a track that only gets used 3 times a year, and i bet ill do it again on my toyo tires.
    hmm well good luck.

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    they look reallly nice but the hennesey with 550hp runs 11.92

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    Quote Originally Posted by shady milkman View Post
    give that Chal srt-8 the same spec cam you got and re run him.
    Now Shady... Cmon he's a fuckin 6.1 liter vs. my 5.7. Cam profile doesn't equivlilate to cubic inches??

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbrownin View Post
    Since you say 6.1L, I assume that's an SRT-8 model. Was he stock? If he was, then I'd say he'd win most of the time in a stock for stock race.
    He was an SRT8 and he claimed it to be one of the first available 6 speeds with a 6.1 liter. He was also on drag radials. Stock for stock my ass, he weighs almost 500 lbs more, like I weigh 700 lbs more than a C6, and an ls1 can run a 12.99 stock w/out drag radials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by third_shift|studios View Post
    so prettymuch it went like this:

    Exacry!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBornThriller View Post
    True about the heavy argument.

    Yes, they run similar/slightly faster times to our stock f-bodys, but they also have roughly 100 more horsepower. What does an f-body that's putting out 425 hp run, eh?

    Those cars are stupidly heavy. This was proven by that suspension package that came out a couple months ago stiffening them up and shaving 400 lbs off their weight.

    They'll be scary in a year or two when they are reasonably priced and the aftermarket scene has gotten ahold of them better and lightened them up.

    Until then...meh. I'll keep my f-body.
    They may crank 425 but to the wheels more like 365 and I've seen more than my share of STOCK LS1s put down 330-350 many times and run 12.9 with a shitty DA and no stickys. We added long tubes and header and hit 12.5 at 108. So yes DODGE SUCKS!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by camarojunky74 View Post
    yeah i have never seen a srt8 break a 13.5 at my local track, and btw, my stock 02 ss ran 12.89 @110 on dr's so dont give me stock ls1 are mid 13 cars, with a bunch of dumb kids behind the wheel yes but with a driver worth a damn and a car running right their is no excuse to run a mid 13 near sea level

    good kill op
    THAT'S WHAT I"M SAYIN'!! The fact that it's a six-speed manual is what gave him his 13.04 and having Sticky Mickeys!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VENOMOUS View Post
    He was an SRT8 and he claimed it to be one of the first available 6 speeds with a 6.1 liter. He was also on drag radials. Stock for stock my ass, he weighs almost 500 lbs more, like I weigh 700 lbs more than a C6, and an ls1 can run a 12.99 stock w/out drag radials.
    I said "if he was stock". With DR's, he obviously wasn't. My point was that any stock car that can run 13.04 will beat a stock LS1 f-body most of the time. Most stock LS1 f-bodies (are there any left?) can't run a 12.99.

    And you don't weigh 700 lbs. more than a C6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VENOMOUS View Post
    Now Shady... Cmon he's a fuckin 6.1 liter vs. my 5.7. Cam profile doesn't equivlilate to cubic inches??
    a nasty 5.7 will own a stock 6.1 ..period the cam takes the 6.1 out of the picture

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbrownin View Post
    I said "if he was stock". With DR's, he obviously wasn't. My point was that any stock car that can run 13.04 will beat a stock LS1 f-body most of the time. Most stock LS1 f-bodies (are there any left?) can't run a 12.99.

    And you don't weigh 700 lbs. more than a C6.
    Enlighten me on how you've never seen or heard of a stock ( yes on sticky tires) otherwise stock LS1 breaking into 12.**? There are plenty especially the ones with a good DA to race in.
    And yes, by the scales at CAterpillar weigh station my WS6 is 386 lbs heavier than my buddies 2006 ZO6. Where do your facts come from? My car was at 3503 his at 3117. I agree it's not the exagerated 700 lbs but it is 400. That equals two heavy men riding with me as I race him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VENOMOUS View Post
    Enlighten me on how you've never seen or heard of a stock ( yes on sticky tires) otherwise stock LS1 breaking into 12.**? There are plenty especially the ones with a good DA to race in.
    And yes, by the scales at CAterpillar weigh station my WS6 is 386 lbs heavier than my buddies 2006 ZO6. Where do your facts come from? My car was at 3503 his at 3117. I agree it's not the exagerated 700 lbs but it is 400. That equals two heavy men riding with me as I race him!
    If your 700 lbs. was an exaggeration, sorry I didn't catch that, being as the 500 lbs figure you used in the same sentence is pretty accurate. So, do sticky tires eliminate the "stock" tag or not? Never said I had never heard of a stock LS1 breaking into the 12's. But for every "stock" LS1 that breaks into the 12's, there's 10 (or more) other ones that can't reach the 13.04 mark. Note I did say "most" of the time.

    I stand by my statement that a 13.04 time will beat a stock LS1 most of the time. Not defending the Challenger SRT-8 here, just saying it generically. Which of my facts are you questioning?

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