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This is a discussion on blown away within the Kill Stories forums, part of the Racing Forums category; A factory LS1 DOES NOT make peak power at 6200RPM....

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    A factory LS1 DOES NOT make peak power at 6200RPM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMasterCraft View Post
    Same final drive ratio, same numerical gearing in all gears of a transmission, same weight of the trans, same weight of the doors, fenders, hood, quarter panels, all the glass, etc. etc. etc.....

    The only point in time any car would be the same is if you're comparing the same make/model/year vehicle to another, and even then, what if one has 1/4 tank of gas and the other is full. One may have tools or something of the sort as well in the backseat... you really should stop while your ahead
    Don't be so dense. The point is, a car's performance can be affected piece by piece. Maybe you can understand this: Assembling a SINGLE vehicle for performance, you have 2 choices for a FINAL engine assembly (no more engine mods). Each of them has the same power curve, one is 5.0L weighing 425 lb, the other is a 6.2L weighing 375 lb. Which would you choose?

    Unless you're stupid, you choose the LIGHTER engine. HP / liter means squat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbrownin View Post
    Don't be so dense. The point is, a car's performance can be affected piece by piece. Maybe you can understand this: Assembling a SINGLE vehicle for performance, you have 2 choices for a FINAL engine assembly (no more engine mods). Each of them has the same power curve, one is 5.0L weighing 425 lb, the other is a 6.2L weighing 375 lb. Which would you choose?

    Unless you're stupid, you choose the LIGHTER engine. HP / liter means squat.
    ...look at your first posts. we were talking about production cars ...two production cars. the 4th gens and 5th gens and the new 5.0...and you said the most important thing to ask is what is the hp to weight of the engine. which means nothing in production terms where two different platforms are being used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbrownin View Post
    Don't be so dense. The point is, a car's performance can be affected piece by piece. Maybe you can understand this: Assembling a SINGLE vehicle for performance, you have 2 choices for a FINAL engine assembly (no more engine mods). Each of them has the same power curve, one is 5.0L weighing 425 lb, the other is a 6.2L weighing 375 lb. Which would you choose?

    Unless you're stupid, you choose the LIGHTER engine. HP / liter means squat.
    The only way this point even makes sense is if you are comparing each engine in the same chassis then yes you would want the lighter engine. If both vehicles have the same final weight then your point will not prove anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shady milkman View Post
    ...look at your first posts. we were talking about production cars ...two production cars. the 4th gens and 5th gens and the new 5.0...and you said the most important thing to ask is what is the hp to weight of the engine. which means nothing in production terms where two different platforms are being used.
    No, I didn't say any such thing. Only that HP / liter is less noteworthy than HP / lb.

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    Hey i was reading somewhere that the new 5.0 was putting out good horsepower/torque numbers but it was having trouble getting it to the ground.....it wasnt pulling good track times or something, i think i read it in the GM High-Tech magazine or another forum....i'll try to find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbrownin View Post
    No, I didn't say any such thing. Only that HP / liter is less noteworthy than HP / lb.
    HP/Liter is definately a stupid argument.
    HP/LB is arguable because of pending factors such as weight transfer, power curves, gearing, etc.
    HP/Engine Weight is just downright ignorant

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMasterCraft View Post
    A factory LS1 DOES NOT make peak power at 6200RPM.
    And a 2010 Camaro SS DOES NOT come with an LS1, they have L99's and LS3's.
    Last edited by slims00ls1z28; 02-28-2010 at 03:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slims00ls1z28 View Post
    He probably meant the 5.0 makes peak power at 7000 rpm vs the 6200 of LS's, which they do.
    Sorry didn't see where you specified the L99 and LS3, when you were REPLYING to a post that specified LS1

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbrownin View Post
    Don't be so dense.


    Quote Originally Posted by mbrownin View Post
    The point is, a car's performance can be affected piece by piece.
    YOU argued that if the cars are the same in all weight aspects, the guy with the lightest motor wins... I find this contradictory from what I understand upon this implication

    Quote Originally Posted by mbrownin View Post
    Maybe you can understand this.
    I'm all ears... educate me

    Quote Originally Posted by mbrownin View Post
    Assembling a SINGLE vehicle for performance, you have 2 choices for a FINAL engine assembly (no more engine mods).
    What we're the mods to begin with?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbrownin View Post
    Each of them has the same power curve?.
    Ok, so whatever the mods are, they *magically* have the same power curve, and I'm "guessing" they make the same numbers across the board, as well as peak HP/TQ? HA! That's realistic!

    Quote Originally Posted by mbrownin View Post
    one is 5.0L weighing 425 lb, the other is a 6.2L weighing 375 lb. Which would you choose?.


    Quote Originally Posted by mbrownin View Post
    Unless you're stupid, you choose the LIGHTER engine. HP / liter means squat.
    And somehow HP/Engine Weight makes a better basis for an argument than HP/Liter? This is kind of fun... keep it comin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMasterCraft View Post
    Sorry didn't see where you specified the L99 and LS3, when you were REPLYING to a post that specified LS1
    Ya I see his post was specific to LS1's. Mine wasn't, my bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slims00ls1z28 View Post
    He probably meant the 5.0 makes peak power at 7000 rpm vs the 6200 of LS's, which they do. HP to weight, the 5.0 should have a slight lead, however the final weight of the mustang is not out yet that I know of so an accurate hp/weight comparison of the SS vs 5.0 is still up in the air.
    Its estimated at 3600.

    http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...g_GT_Specs.pdf

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    hey our M6's still get better gas mileage stock! haha

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