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AWD Jap Turbos vs LS1s?

This is a discussion on AWD Jap Turbos vs LS1s? within the Kill Stories forums, part of the Racing Forums category; my car is a high 11 sec car..17k miles..paid 19,5 .hum...

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    my car is a high 11 sec car..17k miles..paid 19,5 .hum

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyjnjz View Post
    my car is a high 11 sec car..17k miles..paid 19,5 .hum
    what u dyno mate?

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    400/400 with stock manifolds still...car was green as can be when the previous owner had it done though.....was brand new...he had the dealership send it straight to lpe...so broken in ...headers...another tune...prolly 430-440..dunno...find out when i get some long tubes

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyjnjz View Post
    400/400 with stock manifolds still...car was green as can be when the previous owner had it done though.....was brand new...he had the dealership send it straight to lpe...so broken in ...headers...another tune...prolly 430-440..dunno...find out when i get some long tubes
    good #s

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    lol i hope so for what the guy paid to have it all done.......his recept from lpe is for 23k including the fikse wheels......insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyjnjz View Post
    lol i hope so for what the guy paid to have it all done.......his recept from lpe is for 23k including the fikse wheels......insane.
    so lingenfelter put the stroker crank in and heads or just did a few little things or????? im interested in your car, tell me more.
    because the way i heard it, lingenfelter is latin for bad ass.

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    this is the package that my car has http://lingenfelter.com/pack_cf1998_383.htm

    now i didnt pay to have this done, i bought the car with everything already done to it from a gentlemen in cincinati ohio...yeah it sounds prettty bad ass...redline was raised to around 6800 as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyjnjz View Post
    now i didnt pay to have this done, i bought the car with everything already done to it from a gentlemen in cincinati ohio...yeah it sounds prettty bad ass...redline was raised to around 6800 as well...
    Ahh, Lingenfelter. What was that famous quote from him again, when he was once asked, "how fast can it go", Lingenfelter responded, "how fast do you want it to go..."! He was a great guy. He was also the man that drove that one of a kind production car parked right in my avatar to 250+mph....

    Nice ride Tony!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Street Lethal View Post
    Ahh, Lingenfelter. What was that famous quote from him again, when he was once asked, "how fast can it go", Lingenfelter responded, "how fast do you want it to go..."! He was a great guy. He was also the man that drove that one of a kind production car parked right in my avatar to 250+mph....

    Nice ride Tony!

    thanks!! i love the car...yeah john was definitly nuts....theres no need for 1000 hp in a c5 but theyll do it for ya anyways if u have the bucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4tun8 View Post

    You could however get a used evo for your price range.

    Ebay exhaust 350 bucks
    Brian crower 280 cams 400 bucks
    Manual boost controller 80 bucks
    Ebay o2 housing 100 bucks
    K&N panel filter 65 bucks
    Smc evo specific alky injection 500 bucks
    Arp headstuds 90 bucks
    Fuel pump 75 bucks
    Lower intercooler pipe 100 bucks
    Jdm diverter valve or ix valve 100 bucks

    Tuning there are a lot of options, but for a custom tune with dyno time its 400 bucks.

    So that's about 3,000 bucks right? Sounds like a lot.....but pair it with the evo I saw today going for 18,500 and you're at about 21,500 right?
    So basically you're spending $3,000 on crappy eBay parts, messing with Alchohol injection which is pointless unless you're at the track, changing the head studs (I'm assuming you mean pulling the head then, expensive to do and you're asking for problems) and buying a cheap fuel pump which will probably last a couple months. And you still end up with an ass ugly and horrible sounding economy car.

    Right here you have a high 11 second reliable car, that handles like a dream, on stock tires, stock block, stock clutch, stock turbo, intercooler, drivetrain etc. It doesn't need racegas, or any weight reduction other then spare tire removal, gets 24mpg, and seats 5, is drivable in ALL weather, etc.
    "Mitsubishi" and "reliable" should never be used in the same sentence. And you honestly think the stock transmission and clutch are going to last when you're making high 11 second passes with high RPM clutch drops?? Wow, the ignorance...

    The ls1's are great cars but its apples and oranges, they were built for entirely different purposes, and btw the people that keep talking about torque......I make 7 shy of 400wheel torque on pump gas, with a 2.0 liter.
    Show us the torque curve before the turbo spools in the low end. Its probably around 150ft/lbs or torque, or something pathetic like that. Its a damn 2.0 4 cylinder, you're not fooling anyone into believing that is some kind of torque monster

    My car is setup differently then the combination that I just mentioned, but it was built specifically to be fast and quick, and extremely drivable.
    I've ridden in Evos that were in the 12's, and they are anything but "extremely driveable". You have to take off at a relatively high RPM to avoid stalling the engine, there's absolutely no power to be had until the turbo spools, and the turbo lag is very apparent. Evo driver's definition of "driveable" is very different from a normal people's definition, apparently.

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    me 2.....for once..lol

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    Tony, thats just fucking awesome. i visited that lingenfelter link and that is a serious long block. Damn. Have you ever thought about getting their infamous twin turbo set up. ive seen freakish 800 hp c5s and i can only imagine what it would produce given the right ingredients on your f body.

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    ummmm noope!!! ..lol...i have PLENTY of power for the time being to make me more than happy..time for some suspension work/tires/and eventually some long tube headers to let her breath..i couldnt afford the price of any of there work anyways......if i wanted a twin turbo car i would sell mine and BUY a used twin turbo LPE c5 ..theres a few on ebay now ...mid 30s on up

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    somthing like this is pretty nice http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevr...QQcmdZViewItem


    i kinda would like a stage 2 turbo at minium and some nice fikse or hre wheels to come with it though ...have seen plenty with baer big break expensive upgrades as well......theres plenty of cars out there with tons of work done to them by rich guys with low miles ..my tires are dry rotted being 6 yrs old and still having half tred left since the previous owner obviously didnt drive it hard....60 yr old man..had a new style merc amg 55 in his garage as well....he said the merc was faster????? interesting since it has about the same HP/tq as my z and a lot more weight......tellls me since the merc is an auto he got on it a lot more than my car

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    here..this guy is trying to sell this one once again.....only made it up to 17,600 last weeek when he tried to sell....dunno what hed take for it but high teens to 20k would be a good deal..sweet car http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevr...QQcmdZViewItem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostandinneedofhelp View Post
    Well I posted it in here because I'm a diehard chevy guy...I hate Mustangs but would reserve a speacial place in hell for Ricers. I'd love to be 'talked into' getting an LS1, and it wouldn't take much but I need to see how exactly they stack up to other choices out there. Just because I belittle all those Civics with fart cans on the back doesn't mean that imports dont have fast cars (like the Supra as mentioned).

    The bank basically said I could get whatever car I want up to 20k, so I have alot of choices to make. I 'THINK' I have it narrowed down to a 2001 WS6 or 1997 VR-4....that will change over the next couple days I'm sure as I go shopping.
    Personally I would get a '94 VR-4, or a '93 Stealth. Yes they weight a lot, but I could care less. I own a '93 NA Stealth, and I like how it rides. As far as them breaking down... I don't know much about that, I'd assume that there like any other car, if you take care of it it won't break. Also you asked what to get in a Camaro/Trans Am Forum... go to 3SI.org and as what you should get. I bet the'll tell you to get the VR-4! Another thing, the VR-4 is easy to mod, but the drivetrain loss is about 27%, and broken parts are expensive to get fixed.

    EDIT: Supra's are sooo over-rated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EStealth View Post
    Personally I would get a '94 VR-4, or a '93 Stealth. Yes they weight a lot, but I could care less. I own a '93 NA Stealth, and I like how it rides. As far as them breaking down... I don't know much about that, I'd assume that there like any other car, if you take care of it it won't break. Also you asked what to get in a Camaro/Trans Am Forum... go to 3SI.org and as what you should get. I bet the'll tell you to get the VR-4! Another thing, the VR-4 is easy to mod, but the drivetrain loss is about 27%, and broken parts are expensive to get fixed.

    EDIT: Supra's are sooo over-rated.
    Those cars are reliability nightmares. If yours hasn't broken down yet you've been lucky so far, its bound to happen. The VR4's are much worse in terms of reliability though.

    I wouldn't say VR-4's are easy to mod, either. They are a PITA to work on, and whenever you mod something, the equal but opposite reaction is that something breaks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EStealth View Post
    Personally I would get a '94 VR-4, or a '93 Stealth. Yes they weight a lot, but I could care less. I own a '93 NA Stealth, and I like how it rides. As far as them breaking down... I don't know much about that, I'd assume that there like any other car, if you take care of it it won't break. Also you asked what to get in a Camaro/Trans Am Forum... go to 3SI.org and as what you should get. I bet the'll tell you to get the VR-4! Another thing, the VR-4 is easy to mod, but the drivetrain loss is about 27%, and broken parts are expensive to get fixed.

    EDIT: Supra's are sooo over-rated.
    hum..look at the last line u said " but the drivetrain loss is about 27%, and broken parts are expensive to get fixed" so u lose nearly twice as much power to the wheels and it weighs 600lbs more? hum..yeah difficult decision

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