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94 Z28 6 speed Vs 01 Z28 6 speed

This is a discussion on 94 Z28 6 speed Vs 01 Z28 6 speed within the Kill Stories forums, part of the Racing Forums category; Originally Posted by xzaero0 It didnt have cats and was still on the stock tune. could be the problem right ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by xzaero0 View Post
    It didnt have cats and was still on the stock tune.
    could be the problem right there. i had no cats and a catback, cold air and a ported tb on the stock tune. was running way too lean on the high end and was pinging badly. i richened it up on the high end and advanced the timing. pulls way better now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big hammer View Post
    could be the problem right there. i had no cats and a catback, cold air and a ported tb on the stock tune. was running way too lean on the high end and was pinging badly. i richened it up on the high end and advanced the timing. pulls way better now.
    anything you do to delete cats is going to lean out the mix... less backlog or whatever it's called. Stock tune is designed for the cylinders to still have a lot of uncombusted fuel in them and the reason cats help when ya get rid of 'em is that they let that fuel out into the atmosphere instead of building up backpressure. Lets your car breathe better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xzaero0 View Post
    It didnt have cats and was still on the stock tune.
    Sorry at that time it didnt have the stock tune it was on the Predator tune, it was even tweeked atlitte from the original predator tune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xzaero0 View Post
    Sorry at that time it didnt have the stock tune it was on the Predator tune, it was even tweeked atlitte from the original predator tune.
    that could even be worse as the predator tune probably leaned it out more

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    did this race ever go down???

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    Quote Originally Posted by emoFTW View Post
    did this race ever go down???
    supposed to be next weekend

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    no not yet, i will this coming weekend. This past weekend was pretty crappy weather and decided to hold off on it.

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    The cars make power differently. I am saying its going to be close with the edge going to the 94 if it can get traction. The LS1's are great engines and breath better up top than the LT1's but the LT1 is no slouch.

    My friend has a 96 SS 6-speed (24k miles). He has just the LT4 cam and 3.73 gears and 315 rear tires. My 04 stock 6-speed GTO (17k miles) with 275 rear tires beat him by 1 car at 95mph and I was starting to pull on him. He jumped me out of the hole but I had him back by 70 and passed him easily. His car is not as modded as the 94 in this case so I am saying the LT1 will win if it gets traction.

    LT1 camaro's are fast but LS1 camaros are faster. Just like LS2 Corvettes are faster stock than LS1 Corvettes. Generally speaking and all things being equal. Driver MOD is a huge thing though.

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    And that GTO is heavy as a bitch too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLS_Addict View Post
    The cars make power differently. I am saying its going to be close with the edge going to the 94 if it can get traction. The LS1's are great engines and breath better up top than the LT1's but the LT1 is no slouch.

    My friend has a 96 SS 6-speed (24k miles). He has just the LT4 cam and 3.73 gears and 315 rear tires. My 04 stock 6-speed GTO (17k miles) with 275 rear tires beat him by 1 car at 95mph and I was starting to pull on him. He jumped me out of the hole but I had him back by 70 and passed him easily. His car is not as modded as the 94 in this case so I am saying the LT1 will win if it gets traction.

    LT1 camaro's are fast but LS1 camaros are faster. Just like LS2 Corvettes are faster stock than LS1 Corvettes. Generally speaking and all things being equal. Driver MOD is a huge thing though.


    sorry but stock ls1 gtos arent anything to impressive. awesome cars just to heavy. I went one and one in my near stock lt1 a4 formula.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLS_Addict View Post
    The cars make power differently. I am saying its going to be close with the edge going to the 94 if it can get traction. The LS1's are great engines and breath better up top than the LT1's but the LT1 is no slouch.

    My friend has a 96 SS 6-speed (24k miles). He has just the LT4 cam and 3.73 gears and 315 rear tires. My 04 stock 6-speed GTO (17k miles) with 275 rear tires beat him by 1 car at 95mph and I was starting to pull on him. He jumped me out of the hole but I had him back by 70 and passed him easily. His car is not as modded as the 94 in this case so I am saying the LT1 will win if it gets traction.

    LT1 camaro's are fast but LS1 camaros are faster. Just like LS2 Corvettes are faster stock than LS1 Corvettes. Generally speaking and all things being equal. Driver MOD is a huge thing though.
    In all actuality your friends '96 SS should have blown your doors clean off with a hot cam and gears underneath. A stock LT1 SS M6 is capable of mid 13's out of the box with the right driver. You two would have actually been a good race for each other stock for stock even! With a hot cam and tune with traction it's 12's all day. But just like the old saying, anything can happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by hutch1999 View Post
    sorry but stock ls1 gtos arent anything to impressive. awesome cars just to heavy. I went one and one in my near stock lt1 a4 formula.
    Yeah, I was gonna say that. Not trying to bash or anything but his friend with the cammed-LT1 must be a horrible driver!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cayenne97 View Post
    In all actuality your friends '96 SS should have blown your doors clean off with a hot cam and gears underneath. A stock LT1 SS M6 is capable of mid 13's out of the box with the right driver. You two would have actually been a good race for each other stock for stock even! With a hot cam and tune with traction it's 12's all day. But just like the old saying, anything can happen.



    Yeah, I was gonna say that. Not trying to bash or anything but his friend with the cammed-LT1 must be a horrible driver!
    LT1 capable of mid 13's? How the hell is that possible? Than the 99 Mustang GT is capable of 13's? So LS1's are capable of 13 flat?

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    The LT4 cam is not THAT big. He didnt change intakes, heads or anything else, just the cam. The gears do help though I will give him that.

    The GTO is a heavy car at around 3700-3800lbs. The camaro is around what 250lbs lighter? My car is heavier but does make more power than the LT1 with just the cam. Even if just 300rwhp which is easily doable for an M6 GTO. He has 3.73 gears, I have 3.46, the tranny ratio's in the GTO are better than the Camaro as well. The last BONE stock SS cars (LT1's) I saw at the track were running in the low 14s. One auto and one 6-speed.

    I have done quite well against LS1 T/A's and Camaro's. Win some and lose some. Stock LT1's I have had no problem with any of them (all of them weres stock). As well as 3 LT1-Corvettes which all got a glimps of the tail lights.

    IF the SS LT1 camaro runs mid 13s than an LT1 Corvette should hit about 13.2 which we all know is not the case.

    I do agree that the GTO is nothing special, as are no LS1 cars or LT1 cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hutch1999 View Post
    sorry but stock ls1 gtos arent anything to impressive. awesome cars just to heavy. I went one and one in my near stock lt1 a4 formula.
    Automatics in the GTO have that crappy torque management so if it was from a stand still I believe it. Plus a GTO is HARD to launch well. The other thing is a driver MOD. A good driver in a 6-speed 5.7 LS1 GTO will hit mid 13s without issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric1987 View Post
    LT1 capable of mid 13's? How the hell is that possible? Than the 99 Mustang GT is capable of 13's? So LS1's are capable of 13 flat?
    99 GTs suck, mid 14 sec times stock

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLS_Addict View Post
    Automatics in the GTO have that crappy torque management so if it was from a stand still I believe it. Plus a GTO is HARD to launch well. The other thing is a driver MOD. A good driver in a 6-speed 5.7 LS1 GTO will hit mid 13s without issue
    it was a six speed back in 2005. the 04s are more like high 13s low 14s. Thats why when I raced him twice I won one and he one the other.
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    Your correct. 95% of drivers will hit high 13s or low 14s. The cars are capable of mid 13s but a drive mod is a MUST have. The IRS and the skinny snow tires they come with stock dont help things much.........haha Check out the fastest stock LS1 6-speed GTO's over on LS1GTO.com, the top 10 are all between 13.05 and 13.25 if my memory searves me correct. They are just heavy and hard to launch.

    Its also as if they get de-tuned from the factory a little from what I have seen. With a proper tune they gain some good power figures. Almost as if they hop up the camaro and firebirds tune strait from the factory. Those things are great cars, and sexy looking as hell!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric1987 View Post
    LT1 capable of mid 13's? How the hell is that possible? Than the 99 Mustang GT is capable of 13's? So LS1's are capable of 13 flat?
    Oh no, not the newbie from Long Beach again eh? j/k. Man I wish I had saved my old timeslips...or better yet, just look up the older road test from Car Craft, MCR, Car and Driver, M/T...they all ran mid to high 13's at traps between 102-106 in the '96-97 SS. Remember unlike the LS1 SS and WS6, the LT1 ram-air cars did infact run better quarter-mile times than the standard Z28 and T/A. Car and drive ran 13.6 at Chrysler Proving Grounds in a '97 SS. And what does a '99 GT have to do with anything? Those things stock were only putting down around 227rwhp 5-speed form.

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    So what is the LS1 times then? Because stock for stock LS1 is faster without a doubt. And being that the LT1 has barely more HP than the 99 Mustang GT then that car is a lot quicker than we think. It has what...20 less HP?

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