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    I honestly don't think they tuned it right then. A tune for LT's and even a cat delete should put the A/F right at its proper stoichiometric values. They can tune cams properly, then bolt-ons should be cake.

    (BlackZ-LT1) Nice hood, by the way. I've been looking into getting that same one for a year now, but I have to save for other shit. Where did you get yours from? I can only find a few places that sell it. But I'm thinking of painting the center cowl and insert a metallic silver and the rest of the hood black. I think that would look kickass. What was the name of your hood? I know it goes by a couple names; big block hood, Z-Rock hood, predator hood...etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackLT1Z28 View Post
    Because the sensor is, well, sensative, and you can damage the wires easily.

    ugh....

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    I read online that a clogged up air filter can cause your engine to run rich.

    Also, if you removed the EGR, you might have problems. EGR = Exhaust Gas Recirculation.

    There are tubes on the factory passenger manifold that attached to the intake manifold on the back.. I know because I removed them from back in the day when I did my head gasket. If your new headers dont have that same tubes (EGR?) then your system is definately not running like it was designed from the factory. Cant you run a header and leave the EGR intact and all other systems? Why remove the catalyst anyways? crazy.

    Also I think leaving the O2 sensor at the same distance from the head is optimal.


    but one thing I think is normal if the exhaust smells slightly richer after a cat deletion. Not a lot but maybe very slightly richer. Reason is not that removing the cat makes the engine run richer, but actually, the engine already ran that way. Its just that due to the temperature of the cat, it can burn off some access fuel if it is installed. But the engine was already running that rich to begin with, you just never noticed it until the cat was removed.. Now again, I think its a very small amount.. If you're getting bad gass mileage, like less than 18 in town, I'd say you have a problem.
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    Speaking of EGR, I just got my EGR block-off plates in the mail today. My EGR tube didn't line up right with my LT's, so I'm just going to block them all off. Except, I think I might just leave the EGR solenoid and block off the other 2. Does anyone think that will cause a problem? I just don't want to fight trying to get the 2 bolts out of the solenoid, because it somewhat covers the back of the bolts, and it looks like I would have to use a boxed-end instead of socket, like the other one.

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    I tried blocking off my EGR once with a bolt and it was ok while it idled and drove easy, but when I took off harder, the SES light came on. Doesnt hurt to try though..


    From WIKI:

    EGR is typically not employed at high loads because it would reduce peak power output, and it is not employed at idle (low-speed, zero load) because it would cause unstable combustion, resulting in rough idle.

    Contrary to popular belief, a properly operating EGR actually increases the efficiency of gasoline engines via several mechanisms:
    • Reduced throttling losses. The addition of inert exhaust gas into the intake system means that for a given power output, the throttle plate must be opened further, resulting in increased inlet manifold pressure and reduced throttling losses.
    • Reduced heat rejection. Lowered peak combustion temperatures not only reduces NOx formation, it also reduces the loss of thermal energy to combustion chamber surfaces, leaving more available for conversion to mechanical work during the expansion stroke.
    • Reduced chemical dissociation. The lower peak temperatures result in more of the released energy remaining as sensible energy near TDC, rather than being bound up (early in the expansion stroke) in the dissociation of combustion products. This effect is relatively minor compared to the first two.

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    Well, I'm not removing it for 'performance' reasons or to see any gains. The EGR tube doesn't line up right with my headers and now I have a small exhaust leak and I just want to block it off to get rid of the annoying leak. If everything worked properly, I wouldn't bother with it, but I just want to plug it up. So I see nothing else I can do except this.

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    are there any long tube headers that have the EGR and all street legal stuff that are hi po and work with all factory accessories? I want all my stuff to work and not leave anything hangn.. haha Whatever happened to those FLP headers that people were yipping about last year?

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    There are plenty of longtube headers out there that come equipped with the emissions stuff. My mechanic told me, after I installed them, that I could have done away with the EGR and AIR crap and he would still pass me. I was like, damn, I wish he would have told me earlier.

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    well, the air pump is just used to heat the cat faster at warm up only. Then it shuts off. So I believe it. And really the EGR doesn't work under heavy load, but it will help your gas mileage all the other times. So, I dont think your missing much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackLT1Z28 View Post
    I honestly don't think they tuned it right then. A tune for LT's and even a cat delete should put the A/F right at its proper stoichiometric values. They can tune cams properly, then bolt-ons should be cake.

    (BlackZ-LT1) Nice hood, by the way. I've been looking into getting that same one for a year now, but I have to save for other shit. Where did you get yours from? I can only find a few places that sell it. But I'm thinking of painting the center cowl and insert a metallic silver and the rest of the hood black. I think that would look kickass. What was the name of your hood? I know it goes by a couple names; big block hood, Z-Rock hood, predator hood...etc.
    thanks man...i got mine from hawks...they call it the "big block hood"...some call it others..i heard it be called the stinger hood too....and yeah ur color scheme would look sweet...heres some better pics on my motortopia page
    http://www.motortopia.com/midnitelt1z/cars

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    Nice looking car!
    Its funny, because you have the rims I was looking at too. From what I could tell, your car is pretty much what I want my car to look like in the future. I got the rear blackouts, clearcorners, red STB, pacesetter LT's, K&N FIPK II, ...etc. You're just a few steps ahead of me. Don't have all the engine dress-up stuff, but I must say, I like your style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackLT1Z28 View Post
    Nice looking car!
    Its funny, because you have the rims I was looking at too. From what I could tell, your car is pretty much what I want my car to look like in the future. I got the rear blackouts, clearcorners, red STB, pacesetter LT's, K&N FIPK II, ...etc. You're just a few steps ahead of me. Don't have all the engine dress-up stuff, but I must say, I like your style.
    thanx man!...make sure to get 18' deep dish's in the back though...thats what i wish i woulda done

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    Well, it looks like I am going to put everything on hold til after college. I got a lot of shit to save for right now and the car isn't one of them. I think the best I can do this spring for the Z are badly needed new tires (Nitto NT555R), rear brake pads (ceramic from autozone), and maybe the LM2 to replace the flowmaster that came with the car. Other than that, the car is done getting new goodies for awhile. Unless I win the lottery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackLT1Z28 View Post
    Well, it looks like I am going to put everything on hold til after college. I got a lot of shit to save for right now and the car isn't one of them. I think the best I can do this spring for the Z are badly needed new tires (Nitto NT555R), rear brake pads (ceramic from autozone), and maybe the LM2 to replace the flowmaster that came with the car. Other than that, the car is done getting new goodies for awhile. Unless I win the lottery.
    i know man tell me bout it...im saving up for a strange s60 rear end and a nitrous kit....damn i wish i won the lottery...just wish like 4 grand could drop from the sky and i would be at peace with the car

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackz-lt1 View Post
    i know man tell me bout it...im saving up for a strange s60 rear end and a nitrous kit....damn i wish i won the lottery...just wish like 4 grand could drop from the sky and i would be at peace with the car
    Sounds like you got big plans for your Z. I, on the other hand, pretty much thought I would be done with the car after the header install, but it doesn't produce the sound/tone I was looking for. The flowmaster catback alone sounded damn good, so I thought the headers would increase the sound. But it turns out the car got quieter with the headers. I was like WTF? So, I want to get a new catback. As far as that, I'm pretty much done. Now, I do dream alot a have big plans for the car, just not realistic plans. Like a 383 stroker rebuild, big H/C combo, and all the suspension and drivetrain components to make it work. But we'll see, my patience may pay off later. If you win the lottery, send some dough my way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackLT1Z28 View Post
    Sounds like you got big plans for your Z. I, on the other hand, pretty much thought I would be done with the car after the header install, but it doesn't produce the sound/tone I was looking for. The flowmaster catback alone sounded damn good, so I thought the headers would increase the sound. But it turns out the car got quieter with the headers. I was like WTF? So, I want to get a new catback. As far as that, I'm pretty much done. Now, I do dream alot a have big plans for the car, just not realistic plans. Like a 383 stroker rebuild, big H/C combo, and all the suspension and drivetrain components to make it work. But we'll see, my patience may pay off later. If you win the lottery, send some dough my way.
    yeah once my career starts off (next 4 years or so)the 383 will be the way i will go as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackz-lt1 View Post
    yeah once my career starts off (next 4 years or so)the 383 will be the way i will go as well
    Same here. 3 years of college until my masters, then, career, here I come. Maybe I'll try and live with my parents till I'm 30 or something and save money that way so I can get the car the way I really want it. Ha, that would be messed up. But I do plan on buying a new camaro when it comes out. Probably a 2010 Z28. Don't think I will be able to afford an SS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackLT1Z28 View Post
    Same here. 3 years of college until my masters, then, career, here I come. Maybe I'll try and live with my parents till I'm 30 or something and save money that way so I can get the car the way I really want it. Ha, that would be messed up. But I do plan on buying a new camaro when it comes out. Probably a 2010 Z28. Don't think I will be able to afford an SS.
    im prob gonna keep this one forever....im also lookin on gettin a 1970 monte carlo or 85-88 monte carlo ss...or a late 80's early 90's white pontiac gta with black honeycomb gta rims....god i love these cars

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    Wow! This page is really off topic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9t8z28 View Post
    Wow! This page is really off topic!


    Yes it is. The board has a nice PM feature, lets use it.

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