Ws6 vs Camaro SS some advice please
This is a discussion on Ws6 vs Camaro SS some advice please within the Firebird / WS6 forums, part of the Vehicle Specific category; Originally Posted by 7camaro7 forced to drive a normally aspirated 4door 4cylinder car for the rest of your life!...
10-14-2006, 08:02 PM #41
10-14-2006, 11:18 PM #42
10-15-2006, 07:04 AM #43
OK. I am new here too, but at 49 I am more than likely the oldest one to respond so far. So here goes... I am picking up my "new" 2001 ws6 T/A this week. I have test driven a few prior to purchasing this one. The power is truly amazing considering all of the crap the american car manufacturers are pushing out the door today. I was a street racer until I was almost 32 years old and had nothing but fun while taking all of the rich kids money. Verrrry profitable, but very stupid! I know you think this is leading to a sad story about a horrible wreck, but I was very lucky for my 16 years of street racing and never had any sort of mishap at all. I would build my cars, take them to the track one time just to get an idea of their times. At 16 I started with a high 11`s SS chevelle 4 speed and just got faster from there. I ended with a 10.1 second 1970 automatic Nova. All were always setup and run in street trim. I went through the above to let you know I have been there.
Now my 2 cents worth...
You want a stick but have no real experience driving one.
You need to master a stick shift BEFORE applying 325hp to the learning experience. I say this because handling a stick properly under emergency situations is not an easy thing to learn. Think about the 4 year old child that runs out from behind a parked SUV.
Will you be able to hold back from "seeing what this baby can do" for over a year since the track age limit is 18.
I doubt it since you already stated you would do it on an isolated road (or something to that effect).
Working and paying for it yourself is absolutely great.
You said you had a crappy job. Is it a secure job? At 16/17 not to many employers really care about the employee and will "let them go" very easily because they can replace you very easily. The payments are still there when you are unemployed.
Insurance is unbearable at your age.
$3000 - $5000 a year is crazy. Since you are financing the car there will be a lien on it. That means your loan company will REQUIRE full coverage insurance for the FULL TERM of the loan until paid in full. You can`t cancel the insurance for the winter just because you park the car in the garage. It has to be fully insured for the entire term of the loan. Some loan companies also require you to take the lowest possible deductible offered by your insurance company. This protects the lien holder, but also adds maybe 40% to the policy cost. Also, driving it to school will drive up the rates even more.
Now for the financial part...
I know nothing about your income or credit worthiness, or of your mother`s income or credit worthiness. With that said, I commend you for wanting to get the loan and the car in your name. BUT, at 16/17 , with no credit history, you will pay an outrageous interest rate, even with a co-signer. At your age you have plenty of time to build your credit rating. Be patient!! The least expensive way to go about getting the loan, depending on your mothers credit rating and income, is to see if she can take out the loan in her name and insure the car in her name. Much cheaper for you that way.
If you decide to get the car...
Before racing or doing a burnout just to impress your peers, think about how much the tires, clutch, rearend, driveshaft, and engine parts cost. And how long you will have to work to pay for new ones. Not to mention what a tiny little broken pushrod can do to your engine. When you break something your peers will tell you how bad they feel for you to your face, and then, behind your back, be laughing about it and saying how stupid you were!! They do not care if you break something because you are the only one who has to pay for it!! Parts are not cheap!! High school friends usually are!! If the car looks good and sounds good you will get all the attention you are craving from your peers. After all, they already know what a LS1 WS6 can do! No need, at your own expense, to show them. Just tease them all!! It drives them nuts!!
Good Luck and please THINK before showing off.
10-15-2006, 09:16 AM #44
I'm only 2 years older than you, and I've learned a lot from this thread myself. I think you should listen to these people about safety. They're not trying to hurt you, only trying to help. Also if you want a fast car but don't want to spend a lot of money, why don't you look into an eagle talon or eclipse gsx. I understand that you might not like non-domestic vehicles, but at $5,000 you can easily get a car capable of running 11 seconds for about 2k more invested into it.
10-15-2006, 10:16 AM #45spedGuest
10-15-2006, 02:59 PM #46
This thread has made me think alot about buying this damn ws6... i want one so bad. thats like the only reason i work. I think i should be ok though. i am waiting 6 months to buy it, and yes it will be in my mothers name, and on her insurence so it will help alot( but she knows its my ride )
In 6 months, or before that ( if all goes as planed, which it should ) i will be making over 1k a month around 1,300. ish. i am hoping that should be enough since i looked at some thing on my banks website to caculate loans. My mother doesnt have great credit because of a devoirce in progress. I am guessing i will get a loan around 7-9 %.
so lets say i get a 10k loan at 9% over 36 months.. the payments will be 318 and insurence will be around 300 aswell(i need to call the insurence bitch to make sure). I should be able to afford it. then i will save for an ls2/ls6 engine one of those it depends. even if i got a loan at 5% the payments would still be around 300 $ just the total interest goes down.
You guys think this is wise of me? i dont want to wait too long to buy a fast car... and after i am ready to buy one, i will make sure i look around and i wont buy the first one i find.
10-15-2006, 03:44 PM #47
- Join Date
- Oct 2006
- 1998 Camaro SS
I'm only 18 and am on my second camaro. I have a 95 z28 and a 98 SS, both six speeds. From your posts it seems to me that you want a fast car for the wrong reasons. If you get something like an SS or WS6 you need to know what that car is capable of, and respect it. I know what my cars are capable of, and I leave it at that. 300+ horsepower is very tempting, especially when the road is clear. You need to be very careful when you give in to those urges because you will. Anything can happen, someone can pull out infront of you or you can blow a tire. If you get a car like this just take everyones advice and be careful, these cars can get you in trouble in a hurry.
10-15-2006, 04:03 PM #48
You people keep saying i want a ws6 for the wrong reasons?
You guys buy ls1's for what reasons? to drive slow?
of corse i know its a fast car, i am not a dumb ass i have been driving for almost a year and i know how to drive safe and when its ok to have some fun with my firebird. i have never goten in a wreck or even close, for something that was my fault.
I want a ws6 for all the right reasons, not just to race it... i want to show it off, and enjoy it for what it is, a domestic muscle car.
Btw.. yes i will run it hard when the time comes... thats why you guys all put mods on cars... to drive them fast as hell.
10-15-2006, 05:22 PM #49
hey bro, its because your talking about racing all these guys from your school and shit. Once you hit the gas on that WS6 for the first time, I think your gonna be shocked at what kind of power your dealing with. Its just easy to loose control of these cars especially for an inexperienced driver and its just so damn tempting to hit that pedal. I'm not preaching, just saying how it is. I got an LT1 Formula with Bolt-ons, on my 16 birthday. I never crashed it but I had a bunch of close calls in the first year. The temptation is extreme. You feel like the king of the road in these cars. Everyone just wants you to be carefull because we already know how it is with these amazing cars. Nothing to get bent out of shape about.
10-15-2006, 06:15 PM #50
- Join Date
- Oct 2006
- Collegeville (Philly)
- 98 Trans Am M6
Just cause you'll have a fast car doesn't mean you should drive everywhere fast as hell.
I can understand how anxious you are, when I was 16 my buddy pulled up to school in his beat ass '84 TA that was half faded red and half primer grey, the car was beat to hell and he could occasionally make it home from school without overheating but man I fell in love with that car and I was determined to get a TA for myself. I'm about 3 weeks away from turning 22 and I just got my '98 TA registered yesterday. It took a while but once I took her out on her maiden voyage it was well worth the wait.
The fact of the matter is, we're all warning you as such is because based on the facts, teens drive like madmen. I used to do it, up until getting my TA. Let me tell you as excited as I am/was to get it, driving this car is almost intimidating. I've had the car in my possession for about 3 weeks and I haven't opened it up or anything. Hug your car all ya want, but if you don't respect it, it'll hug a tree before it hugs you back!
Affording it at your age is going to be a pain in the ass. You have no credit, and you say your mom has bad credit. I've had credit cards since I was 18 and I somehow managed to have a very good credit score (around 780...out of 830 or something like that) and I snagged a loan at 8.7% So I would expect something a lot worse for you, probably in the mid to low teens. I have no idea what the insurance will run you, as I never payed for my insurance when I was younger, but right now the insurance on my TA is $180 a month and I can imagine you will pay at least double that. Also bear in mind you'll be using premium gas if you want the best performance. Regular is a no no but mid grade is alright if you can't afford premium. I make about 1300-1500 a month right now which is what you said you'd be making roughly. After budgeting it all out I can afford my car and still have enough money for the rest fo my life but keep in mind all your expenses, as this car will cost you a lot more than it does for me.
Someone said that you should know how to drive stick before you buy this car...it would probably be ideal, but not entirely neccessary. I learned to drive stick on my TA, and the previous owner said it's a rather tough car to learn on but I didnt have any difficulty with it. I still need a little bit of work but overall I'm good at it. I had the car for two weeks before the bank actually released the title, so I used that time to take it around my neighborhood to get a feel for driving stick. That may be something you'd want to do, drive your bird around for a bit longer while you learn to control your TA better. My car has a catback exhaust on it so I found first gear to be a lot easier than expected since it was very easy to hear the clutch catching.
Wow I just wrote you a book have fun with that. Yeah you can go fast as hell in a car like that, but only do so when your ready and you can control all that power. Like I said, I'm so amped up to finally own the car of my dreams but even still I'm just a little bit intimidated when I get behind the wheel.
10-15-2006, 06:19 PM #51
- Join Date
- Oct 2006
- 1998 Camaro SS
I don't think anyone here is saying not to get a car like a WS6, we would all be hypocrites if we said that. We're just telling you how it is. You don't even need to mod the car anyways, they have more than enough power to begin with. Unless you go to a track you can barely use the power these cars have anyways.
10-15-2006, 06:41 PM #52
I want this car so bad but the credit thing and loan is what scares me. i may have to wait till i am 18... but i will rob a gas station before i have to wait that long. if i work my ass off for a year i should be able to pay almost cash..
I know this is a ws6 forum but... how long does it take to earn good credit back? 6 months long enough... i mean damn my mothers isnt in the toiliet but my dad fucked it over with his broke ass. good thing she kicked his ass out of here... sry for my personal life being brought into that... but ya is 6 months of good credit enoguh for me to get an ok loan?
i want good news!! but hit me with the bad first then finish with the good
10-15-2006, 08:24 PM #532000pontiac6Guest
10-15-2006, 08:29 PM #542000pontiac6Guest
Also, if your really not sure if youll be able to afford it... maybe just get a newer v6 like I did? You have the looks and can afford it. Instead of always having such a big bill to pay I know my parents always told me to save my money for a house some day hahaha I always laughed at that but hey I guess it makes some sense idk
10-16-2006, 05:48 AM #55
We have all made a great effort to help this kid see the light but he has continued to argue and miss the points we have all tried to make. In some cases he has insulted our efforts with comments such as using our vehicles as mini-vans to pick the kids up at school. He confuses responsibility with being a pussy or something. Well.."FUCK YOU" is about all I can think to say in response to that bullshit. If any of us continue beyond this post we are completely wasting our time. You're not going to be the one with the magic words, this kid just can't be reached.
10-16-2006, 11:03 AM #56
your the only one to ever bitch on this thread, other give me advice not bitch me out damn grow up that was some immature stuff there buddy.
i am still learning yes, i know a fraction of what all of you know, thats why i am hear to learn. i am just gathering info, i have learned so much on this forum so far thanks alot.
anyways i have no idea how much power a ls1 has, your right. i am just looking into the long run engine stuff like an ls2... people have said ls6=ls1 with new cam/heads. so now i am researching ls2's for future references.
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10-16-2006, 11:20 AM #57
10-16-2006, 11:29 AM #58
i plan to rob BP they got some good change lol
But ya man i know i should wait.. i am waiting till im 17, haha but i cant help it. maybe ill chnage my mind before that but i doupt it. i have always been into cars. now that i can finaly get one i will probaly jump on it. but yes i know what u mean about insurence... i will keep my bird before i buy another car. i would rather invest in something i would love to drive..
and yes i think i would race when ever i had the chance.. i hate to say it but i would.. if i knew it would be safe
belive me kids ask me to race alot with my bird ( even though its a only a v6)
i have a few times and i get my ass handed to me. sometimes i pull away with a win... agianst trucks and vans.
10-16-2006, 11:31 AM #59
- Join Date
- Sep 2006
- 02 ws6
transdreamer, i am 18 and i daily drive and 03 regency. i occasionally drive the ws6 or the 69 camaro but like everyone is saying "THE LS1 HAS TO MUCH FOR YOUNG DRIVERS". I am not being a little pussy i am telling you it is flat out dangerous. everyone who pulls up next to you want to race. they know they cant beat you but they wanna see what you got. my truck isnt even that fast but out of stupidity i have raced on the streets and nearly had some bad wrecks happen. wait a while and work your way up to 300 hp
10-16-2006, 11:34 AM #60
u guys act like the ws6 is god... well it is but still i have seen some ws6's get bent over by some 4 bangers
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