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This is a discussion on What should I do? within the Firebird / WS6 forums, part of the Vehicle Specific category; I'm kinda torn on the route I should go with Nymphadora. Right now she's running almost perfectly. I just got ...

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    What should I do?

    I'm kinda torn on the route I should go with Nymphadora. Right now she's running almost perfectly. I just got her back from Frost after my H/C/I swap that had her down for over a year. The only two problems are that she's burning a little oil (rings, I'm guessing), which I'm going to try to fix with a little oil additive. And that I have STILL not completed the wiring for the nitrous. I lost motivation for the install after my friend sold his S/C kit for his vette.

    Here are the options I am debating:

    Option 1: Leave the car as is and save up for a year or two for my dream build...427 LSX Block with Twin Turbos feeding it. Not many details worked out (obviously), like turbo size, transmission, etc., but that can be done when I get closer to buying parts.

    Option 2: Pull the trigger on this ridiculous deal on a F-Body Magnacharger Kit w/ Intercooler and install it on my H/C w/ Nitrous setup. For this I would probably have a speed shop pull the crank/rods/pistons and have them install forged internals w/ dished pistons for the boost (new bearings and rings as well). Meth Injection is going to be used. Looking at about 500rwhp on motor/SC and 650rwhp on the Nitrous.

    Option 2a: Do the above swap, but take the Nitrous off.

    Option 2b: Do Option 2, but instead of 346ci forged internals do 383 forged internals

    Option 2c: Do Option 2b, and remove the nitrous.

    What do you guys think? I know a lot of people say that 383 LS1s are bad...what is so bad about them? Is spraying nitrous while running a S/C bad? Should I be running this much power through a stock LS1 block? The rest of my drivetrain is "bulletproof", so there are no worries there.
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    option 2....and also get that bastard in for cotm!!! im tired of waiting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ls1camino View Post
    What do you guys think? I know a lot of people say that 383 LS1s are bad...what is so bad about them?
    a stroker is fine... people will tell some bull shit story "oh the wrist pins won't clear" or some crap like that who have no idea what they are talking about... they see someone else pots it and like most things on the net think it's 100% true with no other data to back it up with...


    Quote Originally Posted by ls1camino View Post
    Is spraying nitrous while running a S/C bad? Should I be running this much power through a stock LS1 block?
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    it (n20) raises cylinder pressure
    on a stock bottom yes it would be bad... you can do both but you'd be far better off running meth injection instead...

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    supercharger, but do it right and get an HTV2300 kit... minimum power on it is around 600rwhp.. kit starts at around 7.5k though...
    More power potential, sounds better, 2 roots vs 1 root.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaz View Post
    on a stock bottom yes it would be bad... you can do both but you'd be far better off running meth injection instead...
    Can Nitrous and Meth both be sprayed at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aetos View Post
    supercharger, but do it right and get an HTV2300 kit... minimum power on it is around 600rwhp.. kit starts at around 7.5k though...
    More power potential, sounds better, 2 roots vs 1 root.



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    Option 2d: Give it to me...

    Looks like you have big plans for the car no matter what. I would def run forged internals. I vote to build a 427 w/ twin turbos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ls1camino View Post
    Don't tempt me.

    The reason for the Maggie is because I can get a good deal on a used one.
    You know you want to.. you know you want twin root..

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    I would just run more boost instead of NOS & FI.

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    would a good catch can/pcv upgrade solve some or most of your oil burning?? Or is it definitely rings?

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    Guess I'll keep saving towards that TT 427.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cutlass View Post
    would a good catch can/pcv upgrade solve some or most of your oil burning?? Or is it definitely rings?
    I have a catch can and brand new pcv...I'm going to look into cleaning it out first, but I'm pretty sure it's the rings.

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    Option one will be stupid expensive. Don't know if you have priced it out, but I've been researching a turbo build/FI build for months now. Whats your power goals? ET? Sounds like your way over shooting with option #1 honestly.

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    I built a stroker 403 LS2 with all forged internals and a super mild cam 10:1 comp and the engine didn't make s@#t for power (long story). I later added a Kenne Bell 2.8, LT's new stall and all the other goodies and on 9 lbs of boost made 553 to the rear on a TBSS. Could of made more but tranny (rebuilt) couldn't hold it. I think these engines stock block or forged for big power can take a lot of abuse. Twin screw SC is definitely the way to go. Everybody has their opinions on Maggie's but with a build like you are wanting to do you might want to avoid going with a single screw. Sounds like a wicked build though. Would love to see pics/video when it's done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hi-Po View Post
    Option one will be stupid expensive. Don't know if you have priced it out, but I've been researching a turbo build/FI build for months now. Whats your power goals? ET? Sounds like your way over shooting with option #1 honestly.
    For real. If your not on a budget then its ok, but I wouldnt save up and throw that kind of money into an already fast car. What is your goal for the car?

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