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This is a discussion on Volant Box vs SLP or other lid? within the Firebird / WS6 forums, part of the Vehicle Specific category; Originally Posted by 4get gto QUOTE=thomasterrible;2378288]How does it work in action? Notice any difference at all? I have the Jamms ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4get gto View Post
    QUOTE=thomasterrible;2378288]How does it work in action? Notice any difference at all?



    I have the Jamms Ram Air kit on my car....Nice set up..That said I gained 4th sec. in the 1/4 mile with the Jamms and a SLP lid over stock...... Sounds small but its not ....
    Thanks, that does help. I am not in to the "looks" perspective, just power/cost ratio AND ability to make it bone stock easily. My car currently has 31K miles on it so if I decide to sell it being stock will get the most money.

    BTW did you keep the hood nostril baffles installed? JAAM claims no difference. If they are made for rain I live in Seattle so if they dont help it would not make sense to remove them.

    My ultimate goal is to gain enough to break in to the 12's in the 1/4.

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    Found another option from SLP and Blackwing?

    I have looked at a few SLP dealers and they have what the call a new SLP "Cold Air Pac" that consists of a SLP Lid, smooth bellows, and a Blackwing, which appears to be an oiled K&N sort of filter. This is what they called it, and shows in the photos, I thought the blackwing was more than a filter.

    One online store SLP Latemodel Muscle Cars sells the "blackwing" filter separately.

    I have sent questions but it appears that the JAAM or otherwise getting all the nostrils getting air in the box could possibly work with that system, again I am asking more than telling by just looking at the parts.

    If anyone has any information on this other SLP option as well as integration of all 4 hood openings by JAAM or any other source please let me know.

    There are many products out there and without seeing them and handling them it is hard to tell what will work together and even harder what will make power, of course there are claims all over the place but first these are just marketing ads from the people selling the products and second they mention the additional gains at "over 100mph" in some cases which also is an important factor.

    I am going to have to keep looking before laying down any cash for this stuff but it is good to hear everybody's opinions on products that they have tried.

    Honestly unless it is significant I hate reusable filters and prefer the high flow throw-away ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by godless-phoenix View Post
    if you get the volant, i would NOT get the JAAM ram air kit, just do the free hood "debaffle" mod and it should be good, the volant wouldnt seal right with the JAAM so it would be a waste imho...if you get the JAAM kit, do the hood debaffle mod and get an airlid...either way, i think youll get about the same hp and torque from either set up, just a matter of preference/looks i guess
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    I love my Volant, and it works great right out of the box. Slight increase at low end, better higher in the rpm range and at speed. Be careful if you remove the baffles, though. Don't forget they are there to stop rain from getting to the filter.
    Also, I tried to add the free "ram air mod" by cutting the bottom out of the volant tub. Didn't help at all, and may have actually hurt. If you decide to go Volent, buy it...bolt it in...enjoy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomasterrible View Post
    I have looked at a few SLP dealers and they have what the call a new SLP "Cold Air Pac" that consists of a SLP Lid, smooth bellows, and a Blackwing, which appears to be an oiled K&N sort of filter. This is what they called it, and shows in the photos, I thought the blackwing was more than a filter.

    One online store SLP Latemodel Muscle Cars sells the "blackwing" filter separately.

    I have sent questions but it appears that the JAAM or otherwise getting all the nostrils getting air in the box could possibly work with that system, again I am asking more than telling by just looking at the parts.

    If anyone has any information on this other SLP option as well as integration of all 4 hood openings by JAAM or any other source please let me know.

    There are many products out there and without seeing them and handling them it is hard to tell what will work together and even harder what will make power, of course there are claims all over the place but first these are just marketing ads from the people selling the products and second they mention the additional gains at "over 100mph" in some cases which also is an important factor.

    I am going to have to keep looking before laying down any cash for this stuff but it is good to hear everybody's opinions on products that they have tried.

    Honestly unless it is significant I hate reusable filters and prefer the high flow throw-away ones.
    the blackwing is a filter and the name of the airlid too...in the JAAM kit, you have to debaffle the hood anyways for it to fit/work. in the ad i think theyre refering too the honeycomb screen being removed and all the holes in the hood being sealed not making a difference in the performance...

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    i have a slp lid and it fits fine for me??

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    I guess you are saying you like the Volant which is cool, however I was just comparing the matching of the JAAM with the SLP Cool air pack black wing kit, have you seen it?

    It would be so nice to have an actual store around here to look at these products in person, not just online. In this city I have not found any.

    Used to have a Vette shop now thats gone. Would be really nice to see an unbiased scientific comparison somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomasterrible View Post
    Honestly unless it is significant I hate reusable filters and prefer the high flow throw-away ones.
    Having had issues with oil on my MAF, I am starting to agree...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmalgar View Post
    Having had issues with oil on my MAF, I am starting to agree...
    Very true, another member had his MAF "modified" by someone who removed the screen, those thin wires measure resistance to gather their information, I can certainly see oil on them causing issues. Thanks for the insight, though sorry you had it happen to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomasterrible View Post
    though sorry you had it happen to you.
    Eh I took it as a learning experience. I lost like 4 MPGs suddenly and was trying to figure out why. I realized I had just put in a new K&N filter so I pulled out the MAF and cleaned it and that restored the lost mileage. The filter is just so close to the MAF on these, I think that makes it more of a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmalgar View Post
    Eh I took it as a learning experience. I lost like 4 MPGs suddenly and was trying to figure out why. I realized I had just put in a new K&N filter so I pulled out the MAF and cleaned it and that restored the lost mileage. The filter is just so close to the MAF on these, I think that makes it more of a problem.
    That is what is helping me figure out what to do and what not to do, by having people tell me of their experiences using the different products so I can learn from others mistakes and successes before I spend my money.

    I asked a company that sold both the volant and the SLP cold air kit (not just the lid) and they suggested the SLP. I still have not seen any hard numbers though but the firehawks seems to have done ok with their mods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomasterrible View Post
    Thanks, that does help. I am not in to the "looks" perspective, just power/cost ratio AND ability to make it bone stock easily. My car currently has 31K miles on it so if I decide to sell it being stock will get the most money.

    BTW did you keep the hood nostril baffles installed? JAAM claims no difference. If they are made for rain I live in Seattle so if they dont help it would not make sense to remove them.

    My ultimate goal is to gain enough to break in to the 12's in the 1/4.
    This looks good as well as looking close to stock. And does something too I think.

    I did not keep the hood baffles in and ran in some big time rain a few times without problems......

    Also I will say with the Jamms / Lid .. I also went with a Diablosport Predator
    Tune which got me down to 13.1...from a 13.9 /8 when I first started playing with it stock.....So 12's arent far away....

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomasterrible View Post
    I asked a company that sold both the volant and the SLP cold air kit (not just the lid) and they suggested the SLP. I still have not seen any hard numbers though but the firehawks seems to have done ok with their mods.
    the slp is easier to install, looks closer to stock set up, and will give you the same h.p. gains as a volant imo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmalgar View Post
    Nope, no lid with the Volant. You are correct.

    My SLP lid fits like crap. I've been searching for info on this for a while as well. Most air still flows up from underneath via the air ram down there, rather than thru the nostrils. I believe the Volant intake semi-seals to the hood to try to catch more air from the nostrils but I don't think it completely seals. I've read where some folks remove the hood baffles from the upper nostrils in conjunction with the Volant and are happy with that. You just have to be more wary of driving thru rain. But some folks also say their Volants had fitment issues as well, in particular that it's connectors to the radiator are weak or off-center.

    Because of my lid fitment issues I've been thinking of trying the Volant. But at the end of the day, I've never seen anyone say conclusively that a lid or the Volant will work better or make more power than the other.
    On several dyno runs my volant made several more h.p than the slp lid i had
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    another option

    There is a online dealer that sells both SLP and Volant. The SLP product is not just the lid, it is a combination of a lid and bellows and blackwing and a few other things together for about 200 bucks, less than the volant and the dealer when emailed suggested the SLP. I would think he would push the more expensive one if anything. I have not seen any HP claims by either and have nocticed a graph on volant that shows it really works best at speeds of 100mph and over in their sales literature.

    I dont think either system is going to make huge gains but dont understand why it is so difficult to utilize the flow from the hood, really it appears to be there just for looks.

    Also in volants literature they say that their testing shows no difference with the nostril grills on or off.

    I guess I will have to go with my gut and see what happens, without putting the car on a dyno with stock, then one product, then the other, there is really no way to tell.

    The SLP cold pac kit thing is what I am leaning towards only because the Firehawks did not do too bad over stock with their small changes which are similar to this kit as one of them.

    I would be interested in what your other few bolt ons are that gave you your ET though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomasterrible View Post
    There is a online dealer that sells both SLP and Volant. The SLP product is not just the lid, it is a combination of a lid and bellows and blackwing and a few other things together for about 200 bucks, less than the volant and the dealer when emailed suggested the SLP. I would think he would push the more expensive one if anything. I have not seen any HP claims by either and have nocticed a graph on volant that shows it really works best at speeds of 100mph and over in their sales literature.

    I dont think either system is going to make huge gains but dont understand why it is so difficult to utilize the flow from the hood, really it appears to be there just for looks.

    Also in volants literature they say that their testing shows no difference with the nostril grills on or off.

    I guess I will have to go with my gut and see what happens, without putting the car on a dyno with stock, then one product, then the other, there is really no way to tell.

    The SLP cold pac kit thing is what I am leaning towards only because the Firehawks did not do too bad over stock with their small changes which are similar to this kit as one of them.

    I would be interested in what your other few bolt ons are that gave you your ET though?
    Firehawks are no faster than T/As. It comes down to he who gets the better launch(both cars likewise modded..
    The slp pack is a waste. Just get the lid. Bellows and that filter give zero hp gain.

    I have more than just bolt ons, im cammed also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhraformula View Post
    . Just get the lid. Bellows and that filter give zero hp gain.
    Oh yeah, the bellows... that thing is a pain in the ass. Another reason I'm considering switching to a Volant. My bellows doesn't quite sit right and it keeps my lid too high and thus it doesn't quite fit/seal right. I had to add more insulation strips to my lid to make it fully seal. I might go back to the stock accordian bellows, as I now know that its flexibility serves a useful purpose.

    I've read posts from some other guys that have had fitting issues with the bellows as well. Some have trimmed it, some have heated it to stretch it out a bit. But many have had issues with it. Something else to consider...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhraformula View Post
    Firehawks are no faster than T/As. It comes down to he who gets the better launch(both cars likewise modded..
    The slp pack is a waste. Just get the lid. Bellows and that filter give zero hp gain.

    I have more than just bolt ons, im cammed also.
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    I know that a Firehawk is a modded T/A, that is what we are talking about. I was using the mods they did as a comparison to what I was going to do. It is easy to figure out what mods they did and their ET's.

    I sure wish I could see these parts in person for myself. The bellows never meant much to me, they just come with the kit some people seemed to not understand what product I was seeing and thought it was just the lid, so I described the parts that I could recall being included on the site SLP MCP that sold both the volant and less expensive SLP and were pushing the SLP.

    At the bottom on your signature page it says 11.98 a few bolt ons, so that is what I was referring to. Was that not listing everything or have your put more stuff on since then?
    The reason I have been asking people is to see what they have done with their cars and what ET's they are running to get an idea of what works.

    There are a lot of different opinions on what to do about intake. Some dont think their changes made any power differences at all but like the looks, the manufacturer dont give any conclusive evidence. Some people just plain dont know which of their mods is doing what.

    I have not purchased anything, I am trying to figure this out first. I have seen photos of the products is all. I would like to see them in person. Are more CFM's useful? Is a higher velocity happening with one of the systems?
    Pressurizing the box better?

    I am not a spokesman for any of these manufacturers just trying to make sure that a part is truly useful before buying. I have not bought yet if that tells you how convinced I am of any of them.

    I would love to see a "shootout" or comparison of all the intakes on the market if anyone knows of a mag or even a post where someone has taken the time to compare that would be very helpful. If there is competition between them and one was better one would think a dyno comparison of them vs they competitor would be great marketing.

    Some people like the JAAM, some hate it. Same with every item I have seen so far.

    Personally I wish there was a sealed box using all the available snorkels like the closed ram air systems of the 60's with modern filters. Those mated to the hood then the air passed through a filter and in to the motor, it makes sense to me. From what I hear the volant does not do that. Not saying it a good or bad product, if I knew I would not have started this thread to try to find out, but so far there is no clear answer or evidence as I was hoping.

    It is a lot of money for a plastic box if it does not do much if anything.

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    Does anyone think the WS6 hood is for more than

    Does anyone think the WS6 hood is for more than looks? It seems that with the stock, and most if not all the aftermarket intake parts the lower openings are the ones that are used.

    Those bellows, yeah I thought they would not be useful and with the one review of the people messing with them I am convinced. But that was helpful. What DOESNT work helps me as much as that that DOES. Thanks much.

    It is the other parts I am still trying to find the answer for.

    If my bottom end of my motor was prepped it would be easier to save up for a supercharger kit.

    Has anyone seen the same Volant ad also showing a graph of their claims as well as statements about no difference with snorkel vents in or out? Also increases mostly at speeds over 100mph?

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    My mods are,
    LS6 INTAKE
    Pacesetter long tubes
    No cats
    Magnaflow pipes into a hooker muffler,
    Volant intake,
    EGR AIR deleted,
    224 581 114 lsa cam
    3000 rpm stall
    ported LS6 oil pump
    LS2 timing chain
    dyno tuning with ls1 edit
    BFG DR tires

    Above is a cookie cutter common set up for street cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhraformula View Post
    My mods are,
    LS6 INTAKE
    Pacesetter long tubes
    No cats
    Magnaflow pipes into a hooker muffler,
    Volant intake,
    EGR AIR deleted,
    224 581 114 lsa cam
    3000 rpm stall
    ported LS6 oil pump
    LS2 timing chain
    dyno tuning with ls1 edit
    BFG DR tires

    Above is a cookie cutter common set up for street cars.
    Is that what you used to get your posted ET?

    I have a little bit different goals, also our emissions laws wont allow some of those things. They actually plug in to the diagnostic port and ever emissions part has to be functional.

    But thats ok, I am only looking for about a 1 second ET increase and more of a SCCA type approach than a drag car, I like the handling of the tires it has on it F1 GSD3's, good for a daily driver in this area because we get a lot of rain. I will have to figure out a traction aid though since I have an auto and wheel spin will be an issue. I corner too aggressively for drag tires though they would hook up much better for straight line ET's.

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