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switch from K&N CAI to lid

This is a discussion on switch from K&N CAI to lid within the Firebird / WS6 forums, part of the Vehicle Specific category; Like it says guys, i baught my car and it has the K&N CAI not only does it look like ...

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    switch from K&N CAI to lid

    Like it says guys, i baught my car and it has the K&N CAI not only does it look like crap i really dont think its helping the car any, i have recharged the filter twice it always looks dirty to me very fast. so my question is, if i remove the K&N is it a simple change over to the slp or other brand lid? i have a 2000 trans am non ws6 so i dont have the ram air hood. this could be a pretty dumb question but since i dont have th ram air hood, does that mean i cant get the slp ram air lid? i just got the car a few weeks ago, dont kill me over dumb questions haha i gotta start somewhere!

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    A lid is a lid. You don't have to have a WS6 hood for one to work.

    Is the K&N CAI the type that gets the air down low? I've read here many times that this style really gets the filter dirty fast. Also, it has been proven here many times that the K&N filter, for our set-up, doesn't give us any more HP. A clean quality paper air filter does just as well.

    All the lids elimiate the hemholtz chambers, improving airflow into the TB. As long as you have the stock lower airbox (which is also the upper radiator support) you should be fine.

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    Ditching the K&N is a good idea. You should really get a can of CRC Spray MAF Cleaner, remove your MAF from the car and follow the instructions on the can. The oil from the K&N has probably coated your MAF wires and dirt has adhered to them. This has the effect of insulating the wires and results in the MAF sending incorrect airflow readings to the PCM. Also, do not alter your MAF in any way -- do not descreen, deblade or port it.

    As far as filters go, a dry nanofiber filter media such as the Amsoil Ea air filter is the best way to go. A quality paper filter is also good. The oiled cotton gauze filters, such as K&N, simply allow way too much dirt to pass into your engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Fast View Post
    A lid is a lid. You don't have to have a WS6 hood for one to work.

    Is the K&N CAI the type that gets the air down low? I've read here many times that this style really gets the filter dirty fast. Also, it has been proven here many times that the K&N filter, for our set-up, doesn't give us any more HP. A clean quality paper air filter does just as well.

    All the lids elimiate the hemholtz chambers, improving airflow into the TB. As long as you have the stock lower airbox (which is also the upper radiator support) you should be fine.
    Quote Originally Posted by pajeff02 View Post
    Ditching the K&N is a good idea. You should really get a can of CRC Spray MAF Cleaner, remove your MAF from the car and follow the instructions on the can. The oil from the K&N has probably coated your MAF wires and dirt has adhered to them. This has the effect of insulating the wires and results in the MAF sending incorrect airflow readings to the PCM. Also, do not alter your MAF in any way -- do not descreen, deblade or port it.

    As far as filters go, a dry nanofiber filter media such as the Amsoil Ea air filter is the best way to go. A quality paper filter is also good. The oiled cotton gauze filters, such as K&N, simply allow way too much dirt to pass into your engine.
    This.

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    this K&N sits ontop on the radiator it has a metal sheet under it which i believe is supposed to be blocking hot air from coming in? ill have to take the whole thing off and see if i can just drop the lid in there, ill also get on cleaning the MAF asap, im thinking between the horrible K&N and prob a dirty MAF is the reason why my car feels like it has power cuts at some rpm's. the power cuts a little then comes back its weird.

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    edited post, bad link
    Last edited by Yourbeat; 05-11-2012 at 12:44 AM.

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    You are going to need to pick up an upper radiator support/lower air box to replace that metal plate that was under your k&n intake. I switched from a k&n to a lid myself

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    yayyy, more money spent on something that shouldnt have been there in the first place, oh well you gotta pay to play. thanks for the info though.

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    ^^^at least you didn't buy a programmer for you PCM. Those are a waste of $$$ also.

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    i havnt been able to find the upper rad support/lower airbox yet though anyone know where i can find it?

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    I can get u an upper radiator cover and lid ... I'm interested!!! Pics of the actual intake

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    do you wanna PM me your cell # can take pics tomorrow and text them to you or email which ever you prefer. the filter looks new but the metal plate thing under it looks like its seen better days. i cleaned my throttle body and MAF today it feels like the cars running much better but i still think i wanna put the lid in.

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    Is your exhaust mostly stock? If so, you will hear the intake a bit louder when you put on a lid. Your upper lid now still has the (hemholtz resonater) chambers on each side?

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    There's a flat metal plate that goes across the top of my radiator and the k&n is a rectangle shape with gray baffled going into my intake mani. As far as exhaust all it has is a high flow muffler.

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    this is the actual K&N CAI on my car.




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    You can use the 98-2002 3800-II f-body lower air box/rad support, but you'll need an ls1 style lid.

    The 3800-II from those years uses an offset lid that favors the drivers side, but again the factory lower box/rad supports are the same,

    which you should be able to find pretty easily in an junk yard.

    If you want to go that route that is,,, FWI both the LS1 and afore mentioned 3800s' also use identical drop-in filters.

    A Ramair box will prolly not work as the are taller and a non-ramair hood may not close over it.

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    ^^^Yourbeats setup looks like it would flow similar to a lidded car. Does his air enter from under the airfilter, or thru the hood opening?

    Either way, if I were him I'd rather have a stock set-up with a lid.

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    i dont think much air gets in through the hood opening its blocked by the bump where the latch locks in and all. im guessing it just gets air from under the car blowing up into the engine bay. i wish i could get air to flow right through the hood but people say the rain and all will get into the intake.

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