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This is a discussion on someone break down all the different models for me within the Firebird / WS6 forums, part of the Vehicle Specific category; Originally Posted by SiggyZ Better driver? We're talking about a car here. Put this better driver you speak of in ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiggyZ View Post
    Better driver? We're talking about a car here. Put this better driver you speak of in the Formula Firehawk after the Trans Am Firehawk, and I'd be willing to bet it'll be faster, regardless.
    Maybe by .1 probably not even lol.

    A trans am is 3530lbs and a formula firehawk is 3470lbs

    I understand that if both cars had equal drivers that the formula firehawk would edge it out but its such a small amount it isnt even worth talking about. The fact that you would bring it up and then try to stand behind it telling everyone who laughs at you to try again means you are the king of bench racers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinergy View Post
    Maybe by .1 probably not even lol.

    A trans am is 3530lbs and a formula firehawk is 3470lbs

    I understand that if both cars had equal drivers that the formula firehawk would edge it out but its such a small amount it isnt even worth talking about. The fact that you would bring it up and then try to stand behind it telling everyone who laughs at you to try again means you are the king of bench racers
    i say its worth haveing the trans am one over the formula just for the looks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinergy View Post
    Some of the 2000s had the 241 casting heads but no ls6 intake.
    . 241s came on my car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiggyZ View Post
    Don't forget the Firebird Formula Firehawk, which is the fastest of the available models.
    Sorry i disagree. A stripper formula is going to be the fastest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9T8W66 View Post
    The reality is In a drag race between similar cars the more powerfull car is not always the winner. Experience has it's merits.
    hey i said all things being equal mister!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhraformula View Post
    Sorry i disagree. A stripper formula is going to be the fastest.
    ehh it will be close..but doesn't a stripper formy weight in at 3390 curb weight roughly ..and the regular formy comes in at 3410ish...then add the wheels and hood and you got a firehawk weight..while not too much to add....it has the better exhaust and the better lid..and while it might not account for much...it would defiantly close the gap on the weight to make it a very close power/weight ratio...with all things being equal ...but yea i forgot about the stripper formy

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    Quote Originally Posted by shady milkman View Post
    ehh it will be close..but doesn't a stripper formy weight in at 3390 curb weight roughly ..and the regular formy comes in at 3410ish...then add the wheels and hood and you got a firehawk weight..while not too much to add....it has the better exhaust and the better lid..and while it might not account for much...it would defiantly close the gap on the weight to make it a very close power/weight ratio...with all things being equal ...but yea i forgot about the stripper formy
    My formula came in at 3380 with 1/2 a tank of gas on a weight scale.
    I have alot of options on my car, so im guessing a stripper formula would weigh less than my car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhraformula View Post
    . 241s came on my car.
    Mine too

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    Keep in mind guys the only way to get a Stripper Formula is to order a 1LE and those cars come with the WS6 Pkg aswell.
    All (LS1) Formula's come with PW PL PM(blue tint) and Monsoon CD the only thing a Trans Am has above this is Leather T-tops and keyless entry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dann View Post
    Good question bro ive always wonderd to. Hey but my T/A has a flat spoiler and a ram air hood and i dont think its a ws6. Well its a convertible if that makes any diffrence.
    If by "maroon", you mean MRM (Maple Red Metallic), your T/A is not a WS6. MRM was not available w/ WS6.

    But yeah, as was said, your 'vert would have the flat spoiler, all Firebird 'verts (whether a V6 Firebird, Formula or T/A) have the flat spoiler.

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    jeees i thot these cars were supposed to be lite.....i have never weight my fox but a gt hatch weighs around 3300.....and my engine is totally cast iron where you guys have all aluminum.....i should swap an ls1 in it and it would probly only be a lil over 3000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox Body View Post
    jeees i thot these cars were supposed to be lite.....i have never weight my fox but a gt hatch weighs around 3300.....and my engine is totally cast iron where you guys have all aluminum.....i should swap an ls1 in it and it would probly only be a lil over 3000

    Have you ever put a f-body next to a fox body, the f-body is much longer and wider. noone ever claimed f-body were light, they just arent heavy and have an awesome powertrain.

    fox body 179.6 inches, f-body 193.3-length
    68.3-fox body, 74.4-f-body -width

    Over a foot longer and 6 inches wider, with a hatch and more options makes up for the light weight engine.

    If anything 3300lbs for a fox body is heavy
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    so what's the difference between an LS1 and the LT1?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chiller2484 View Post
    so what's the difference between an LS1 and the LT1?
    the engines themselves? ls1 is aluminum block and heads, lt1 is iron block and some had aluminium heads. Other then them both being 346ci engines all the parts are different. The ls1 i just the better more modern version of the lt1. Main thing i notice when racing the 2 engines is the ls1 breaths better through the powerband

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    wow, lol there is so much missinformation in this thread. but the stripper cars are obvisouly the faster one's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinergy View Post
    the engines themselves? ls1 is aluminum block and heads, lt1 is iron block and some had aluminium heads. Other then them both being 346ci engines all the parts are different. The ls1 i just the better more modern version of the lt1. Main thing i notice when racing the 2 engines is the ls1 breaths better through the powerband

    yea the ls1 is a totally different design from the origional gm small block design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinergy View Post
    the engines themselves? ls1 is aluminum block and heads, lt1 is iron block and some had aluminium heads. Other then them both being 346ci engines all the parts are different. The ls1 i just the better more modern version of the lt1. Main thing i notice when racing the 2 engines is the ls1 breaths better through the powerband
    The only thing they have in common is the 4.4" bore spacing.
    LS1 346 cubes 3.90 bore 3.62 stroke
    LT1 350 cubes 4.00 bore 3.48 stroke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinergy View Post
    the engines themselves? ls1 is aluminum block and heads, lt1 is iron block and some had aluminium heads. Other then them both being 346ci engines all the parts are different. The ls1 i just the better more modern version of the lt1. Main thing i notice when racing the 2 engines is the ls1 breaths better through the powerband
    i thought it had something to do with the heads. thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9T8W66 View Post
    The only thing they have in common is the 4.4" bore spacing.
    LS1 346 cubes 3.90 bore 3.62 stroke
    LT1 350 cubes 4.00 bore 3.48 stroke
    So then they have nothing in common other than bore spacing lol
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