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    I love my M6.
    But someday I will have an automatic strip car. Someday.


    Friends stalled A4 with 700RWHP is a kick in the ass to drive.
    Those that are defending the M6 probably have never driven a properly stalled automatic car.

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    i want a stall.

    i wonder how much i could get for one of my kidneys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Luos View Post
    I love my M6.
    But someday I will have an automatic strip car. Someday.


    Friends stalled A4 with 700RWHP is a kick in the ass to drive.
    Those that are defending the M6 probably have never driven a properly stalled automatic car.
    True true!!! That's why I made the reference to stock A4 and stock M6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1998 T/A View Post
    you know M6 is a lot more fun and wish you had gotten one!!! your taste in transmissions is the same as your taste in movies...lame (making refrence to the AVP icon)
    i owned 2002 C5 M6 and sold it.
    its rather funny how whenever this whole M6 vs. A4 thing comes up M6 guys always are the first ones to make snide remarks towards A4 cars.
    fact of the matter is that the fastest cars on the street or strip are A4s.
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    I prefer 6 speed. It just gives you so much more control over the car in general. Autos are good for consistancy, M6 is more entertaining for all around driving though.

    I get bored driving auto, my DD is auto and it would be a lot more fun if it was a manual.

    I've driven stalled autos, my Dad has a stalled/built 700R4 in his Vette, its runs nice but its nothing like driving a 6 speed manual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhraformula View Post
    i owned 2002 C5 M6 and sold it.
    its rather funny how whenever this whole M6 vs. A4 thing comes up M6 guys always are the first ones to make snide remarks towards A4 cars.
    fact of the matter is that the fastest cars on the street or strip are A4s.
    now if i was you i wouldnt talk much about taste, you drive a white T/A
    Stock vs. stock, maual trans cars are almost always faster at the drag strip. Also almost always get better gas mileage. That's facts, not snide remarks.

    Now for consistency at the drag strip, automatic FTW.

    For me, M6 FTW, I do 99.9% of my driving in my TA on the street or curvy roads.

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    I would go m6, especially if you donít want to modify your car much. Stock stall and rear gears on the auto f-bod's make em feel slow.

    IMO autos donít really have an advantage until the cars have LOTS of mods. Yes they are deadly consistent, but a properly rowed manual trans can keep up fine. Thereís nothing magical about an automatic, a slight slip of the clutch off the line will stay with stalled autos on the street.

    Its just that consistent partÖ lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by david_viny View Post
    I would go m6, especially if you donít want to modify your car much. Stock stall and rear gears on the auto f-bod's make em feel slow.

    IMO autos donít really have an advantage until the cars have LOTS of mods. Yes they are deadly consistent, but a properly rowed manual trans can keep up fine. Thereís nothing magical about an automatic, a slight slip of the clutch off the line will stay with stalled autos on the street.

    Its just that consistent partÖ lol
    Auto's do not need "LOTS of mods" to have the atvatage. That's just a retarded statement from someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SINISTER-TA View Post
    Auto's do not need "LOTS of mods" to have the atvatage. That's just a retarded statement from someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.
    Why is that retarded?? An Auto car is not going to outrun a properly driven M6 car unless it has a large stall, shift kit, and a gear swap. The laws of physics are simply against the automatic in every possible way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhraformula View Post
    you drive a white T/A
    hey hey hey... keep the white T/As out of this.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wesman View Post
    Why is that retarded?? An Auto car is not going to outrun a properly driven M6 car unless it has a large stall, shift kit, and a gear swap. The laws of physics are simply against the automatic in every possible way.
    the key word is "properly", most of time they are not driven properly.

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    Well, I want to modify the car, maybe supercharger, exhaust and suspension. I will put rims/tires on and a custom hood. I like the mecham hood, but would like to see more pics. Anyone have any? What mods would be good, any opinions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wesman View Post
    Why is that retarded?? An Auto car is not going to outrun a properly driven M6 car unless it has a large stall, shift kit, and a gear swap. The laws of physics are simply against the automatic in every possible way.
    Your statement is not true either. You do not need "alot" of mods for an A4 to run with an M6. The performance difference stock vs stock is very minimal at best. I have seen plenty of stock A4's at the track keep up and even beat M6's. A stock A4 tranny (3.23 gears) is plenty capable of keeping up with an m6 car. You just cannot out shift and auto tranny no matter how good you think you are. I do agree on a dyno A4's will show slightly lower hp numbers but on the street or track (staight line) an A4 will have the advantage. I understand "laws of physics" and drivetrain power loss for auto's vs manuals and so on. What is boils down to is personal preference and wht you want to do with the car. If the person is into drag racing then an auto is the only way to go. Road race stuff then m6 for sure. I just get sick reading all this bull shit about "how much faster an m6 is". It's simply not true....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SINISTER-TA View Post
    I just get sick reading all this bull shit about "how much faster an m6 is". It's simply not true....
    exactly! in a perfect world the M6 would be faster, but human error negates that

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    Quote Originally Posted by SINISTER-TA View Post
    Your statement is not true either. You do not need "alot" of mods for an A4 to run with an M6. The performance difference stock vs stock is very minimal at best. I have seen plenty of stock A4's at the track keep up and even beat M6's.
    I have as well, I'm not saying it won't ever happen. I'm just saying a well driven/properly driven stock M6 will beat a stock A4, all other things held equal. The performance difference is not "minimal", the auto is losing about 5% more through the drivetrain, has taller gears, and has less gears to work with, meaning the gears are farther apart, so the engine falls off the powerband more with each shift than it would with an M6.

    A stock A4 tranny (3.23 gears) is plenty capable of keeping up with an m6 car. You just cannot out shift and auto tranny no matter how good you think you are.
    I suppose you've never seen a professional driver shift gears then, because they will easily outshift a stock automatic transmission. Its a matter of skill, plenty of people can do it, the issue is that most can't.

    Tell this guy he can't outshift your automatic:



    I do agree on a dyno A4's will show slightly lower hp numbers but on the street or track (staight line) an A4 will have the advantage. I understand "laws of physics" and drivetrain power loss for auto's vs manuals and so on.
    Well obviously you don't understand then. Because in a straight line race, stock for stock, the auto never has the advantage. Look at any road test numbers for the LS1 Vette, GTO, or F-body, the 6 speeds are ALWAYS faster than the 4 speed autos. I already explained why they are faster, its quite simple.

    What is boils down to is personal preference and wht you want to do with the car. If the person is into drag racing then an auto is the only way to go. Road race stuff then m6 for sure. I just get sick reading all this bull shit about "how much faster an m6 is". It's simply not true....
    Sounds like you're just upset that people tend to not like the autos as much as manuals. Auto is not the "only way to go" in drag racing, SixSpeedsInc does plenty well with their built up T56's.

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    I'm sick of typing so whatever you win. I have nothing to prove and don't hate m6 cars. I enjoy driving them every so often and even owned a 99 SS m6. I'm sure the link you provided is some bad ass guy who can shift a car real fast but I really dont need to see another youtube video. My point is...that a m6 car is not usually any faster that a a4 car in a real world enviornment. I'm sure you are a total bad ass at shifting like most every other m6 owner on this board and can school auto cars all day long. Those tenth's of a second you get from an m6 car from those "motor trend track test's" might go a long way in your world but not mine. There are always certain factors and what one magazine test will reveal might be some thing totally different than what another will get. I'm not trying to prove to you or anone else that a4's are faster than m'6's. My point is that an m6 is NOT substantially faster that an a4. The power loss is minimal and should not be used to say that a a4 is "much faster" than a a4 car.

    A simple stall coverter swap will negate any power advantage that an m6 car has anyway. That is must do mods for a4's and is a shit load of fun to drive. And, a properly stalled a4 will ass rape an equally modded m6 car almost everytime. Another thing...go to your local track and see how many hard core drag cars run manuals trannies. I'm sure there will be a few but, I bet that a majority of them will be running some type of auto tranny. But like i said before you win I will bow out.......m6 cars are bad ass and sooooooooooooooooooooo much faster the auto.........so you should get one of them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhraformula View Post
    i owned 2002 C5 M6 and sold it.
    its rather funny how whenever this whole M6 vs. A4 thing comes up M6 guys always are the first ones to make snide remarks towards A4 cars.
    fact of the matter is that the fastest cars on the street or strip are A4s.
    now if i was you i wouldnt talk much about taste, you drive a white T/A
    i love my white bird...i hardly see them around...cant really say the same about the black birds, and red for that matter.

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    auto or m6...we could be driving shitstangs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wesman View Post






    look up top fuel or funny car specs. then look up whos currently the fastest , then get back to us about their transmission choice.

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    for the m6 owners on here. if you want to see an m6 get destroyed by an a4, drive your m6 happy ass here to oklahoma!

































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