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06-30-2010, 10:44 AM #1
Percent or Fixed number?
It seems when ever I read a magazine article reguarding horsepower on a ws6 or any trans am they always take the rear wheel horsepower and simply add 40 hp to determine a crank horse power number. So say the TA puts down 285 to the rear wheels, which is probably the average number. That car would be making 325 at the engine. The way I always used was to take the rear wheel horse power and account for a 12 percent drivetrain loss. An example would be (285/.88=323.8). So both methods are very close but I was just wondering which one would you use?
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06-30-2010, 10:55 AM #2
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06-30-2010, 01:30 PM #3
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06-30-2010, 05:45 PM #5
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For a basicaly stock LS1 car 15% should be approx 40-45 HP.
But there are several variables that can occur to change either the percentage of drivetrain loss or the actual HP the engine is making at a given time.
Weather conditions, Elevation, Regular maintenence and Fuel quality can effect what any car puts to the ground.Last edited by 9T8W66; 06-30-2010 at 05:49 PM.
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07-02-2010, 07:27 AM #6
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Power lost in the drivetrain is purely a function of rotational inertia and viscous friction, which increases with speed, and speed is also a function of how much HP is being driven through it. Thus, a percentage is a much closer approximation to actual drivetrain loss than a flat HP#.
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07-02-2010, 06:21 PM #7
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15% drivetrain loss for manual trannies
20% drivetrain loss for auto trannies
Using 40 HP for LS1s is not accurate.
285 is not an average for LS1s either.
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07-03-2010, 05:44 AM #8
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07-03-2010, 05:54 AM #9
I'd say about 20-22% loss for my drivetrain.
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07-03-2010, 07:41 AM #10
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07-03-2010, 12:17 PM #11
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I dynoed my 2002 when it was bone stock so I'd have a way of telling the effect of mods as I did them. It put down 306rwhp and 323rwt. This was on a DynoJet.
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07-03-2010, 04:18 PM #12
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07-04-2010, 07:06 AM #13
I'm saying that is low even on a Mustang DYNO. I didn't DYNO my car stock, but just with LTs, a lid, air filter, and exhaust I dyno'd 330rwhp and 342rwtq on a Mustang DYNO and that is through a 9" which is a lot less efficient. I would guess you lose about 15-20rwhp with a 9".
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07-04-2010, 11:05 AM #14
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07-05-2010, 08:56 AM #15
This is funny coming from someone who started a thread about HP numbers
I agree...take it to the track and see what it does. Two 4th gens: one makes 400rwhp but has stock suspension, stock wheels, stock rear.....runs against a 350rwhp with a fully set-up suspension, rear, drivetrain, trans and DR's. Who's gonna win?
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07-05-2010, 10:53 AM #16
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This has been my point many times in regards to a plan of attack.
In a Drag race the more powerful car is NOT always the winner.
An engine is only a small part of the setup, a well executed combination of parts will make a faster car.
All the more reason not to get wrapped up in the big numbers game.
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07-05-2010, 07:32 PM #17
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07-07-2010, 05:00 PM #18
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Dynos are different too. A Mustang Dyno is more conservative. A DynoJet gives nicer looking numbers. Not sure which one gives the most accurate numbers. I would rather have a 500 hp car on Mustang, than a 500 hp on a DynoJet.
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07-07-2010, 05:19 PM #19
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