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How much Hp would a ws6 need to smoke a 600 bike?

This is a discussion on How much Hp would a ws6 need to smoke a 600 bike? within the Firebird / WS6 forums, part of the Vehicle Specific category; Originally Posted by procsls6 The bike was off of the dealer floor not lowered. But you said no 600 can ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by procsls6 View Post
    The bike was off of the dealer floor not lowered. But you said no 600 can go into the 9's. You did not say who was the rider. But atleast now you can believe it.
    Read the article. It got into low 10's at stock height and was lowered 2" when it broke into the nines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yellowv View Post
    Read the article. It got into low 10's at stock height and was lowered 2" when it broke into the nines.
    your are right in 2007 it went 9's at stock height. If you look you should find it. But you are right about the article at hand, but my first post did say 2007. But you get the point and so do I.

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    not to diss again, most 4th gens run high 13-mid 14's, but then again there were magizine articles that showed a bone stock ls1 Z that ran 12.00 flat.

    this is due to manufactors tollerence of motors, and a huge % of driver skill.

    and some ls1 s are around 340 rwhp, while others are around 280 ..................................

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    and doing the lowering on a bike aint that big of deal did that and to my bike felt soo incromplbol that it made me slower. that lowering link can give somewhat better feel, but most get it for the look of a lower bike. extendeing the swing arm, gearing launch, clutch feathering and miniaml susp, tuning will be the determining factor, and not using the clutch to up shift will make the bike go

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    Quote Originally Posted by greatwhiteZ28 View Post
    and doing the lowering on a bike aint that big of deal did that and to my bike felt soo incromplbol that it made me slower. that lowering link can give somewhat better feel, but most get it for the look of a lower bike. extendeing the swing arm, gearing launch, clutch feathering and miniaml susp, tuning will be the determining factor, and not using the clutch to up shift will make the bike go

    They shaved about two tenths with the lowering so obviously it helped.

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    coullld help. there is soo many factors in this. doing the Lwr LINK, does not.. welll i dont know much, ha, its on the internet soo.

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    you are just talking about that link right?

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    lowering it will help more than anthing else. How cares if you add hp if you can't keep the bike on the ground. Motorcycles and car are the same it all in the 60 to 330. 330 is what drops e.t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greatwhiteZ28 View Post
    not to diss again, most 4th gens run high 13-mid 14's, but then again there were magizine articles that showed a bone stock ls1 Z that ran 12.00 flat.

    this is due to manufactors tollerence of motors, and a huge % of driver skill.

    and some ls1 s are around 340 rwhp, while others are around 280 ..................................
    some are 340 and some are 280 stock? shouldn't they be the same??

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    on the street I've beat a 600cc bike some months ago, 30 roll to 90 or so... a friend has a 600cc bike. if i can really say I beat one because he was on my wing at all times really. and if you get a seasoned bike rider he'd pass me by a bit. my friend has about 8 months experience on the bikes. but, anything over 636cc, I don't stand a chance. it gets very hard to hang with them.
    I dynoed @ 488rwhp, 480tq at that time.

    now the question is how much rwhp one needs to smoke a 600 bike? I'd say 530rwhp and up at least.

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    I think beating one and smoking one would be two very different things. Let's say he runs an 11.3 stock. Well, even if you ran a 10.80, you didn't really SMOKE him. At least I don't think it would look like that on the street. But just beating a bike would be cool enough I guess.

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    correct, it's objective what smoking one means. so, in my opinion rolling 30-100 let's say, you beat one by 1-2 car lengths, but smoke one by 4-5 cars... others would argue 4-5 cars is just a good beat but not a smoke. ok... that's fine too

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    Here is an FYI on the times of different branded bikes

    http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_...mes/index.html

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    good article, also to point out track times vs street racing are 2 such different worlds.
    my experience was street wise, but yeah bikes kick some rear the track as well.

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    wow...alot of mis-informed people in here. im gonna give my opinion and my opinion only. i owned several bikes and my 00 has no trouble with 600cc bikes. the earlier year 600's i can walk all over..the newer ones could hang with my pretty well but id still take em by a car or 2. technology rules....i have walked several older 1000's..900's etc but the newer stuff can take me at the blink of an eye.
    with all that said...how much power is needed to walk a newer 600??
    id say about 575rwhp and it'll be a good race for you. i was at 583rwhp during those runs few years back.
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    It depends on where your racing...i raced a 600 and whooped on him, BUT this was on the freeway. You see bikes like 600cc gsxr have a lot of get up and go speed. When i raced him we were on the on ramp and i gunned it and so did he and he spanked me. But going 50-60 on the free way and gunning it they lose alot of torque, and i spanked him, but im pushing 590rwhp. If your gonna race one that person to do it on the freeway, from a dead stop your screwed unless you got a 10second car and have a good rearend and some fatties, then you should be allright. But personally do it on the freeway it's easier and they lose alot of torque. I own a 750gsxr 05' i think i would know. Hopes this helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNTramair View Post
    wow...alot of mis-informed people in here. im gonna give my opinion and my opinion only. i owned several bikes and my 00 has no trouble with 600cc bikes. the earlier year 600's i can walk all over..the newer ones could hang with my pretty well but id still take em by a car or 2. technology rules....i have walked several older 1000's..900's etc but the newer stuff can take me at the blink of an eye.
    with all that said...how much power is needed to walk a newer 600??
    id say about 575rwhp and it'll be a good race for you. i was at 583rwhp during those runs few years back.
    I came to the same conclusion, I said around 530s rwhp to beat older 600cc. I also agree, the newer 600cc bikes get very fast, less weight. it also depends at what speeds you race etc.

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    My last post on this thread. I am a salesmanger for a motorcycle shop in MD. And I am not trying to be an ass but I know alittle about motorcycles. My old 2000 zx6 went 10.30's@134mph with a exhaust and gear and lowered. That was a 2000 which makes about 18-24hp less than a 2007 and weights 20lbs more. I have seen with my own eyes a stock 2003 zx6 go 10.00 stock height, stock pipe. The newer bikes make more hp. I have beat 600 with my stock c5z06 that goes 11.80 but that is people who can't ride. So you can have a 350rwhp car and beat a 600 but you are beating the rider. This topic has been on almost ever car forum. And yes to the dudes saying 530+hp, that should trap in the 130+range and will kill most 600's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by procsls6 View Post
    My last post on this thread. I am a salesmanger for a motorcycle shop in MD. And I am not trying to be an ass but I know alittle about motorcycles. My old 2000 zx6 went 10.30's@134mph with a exhaust and gear and lowered. That was a 2000 which makes about 18-24hp less than a 2007 and weights 20lbs more. I have seen with my own eyes a stock 2003 zx6 go 10.00 stock height, stock pipe. The newer bikes make more hp. I have beat 600 with my stock c5z06 that goes 11.80 but that is people who can't ride. So you can have a 350rwhp car and beat a 600 but you are beating the rider. This topic has been on almost ever car forum. And yes to the dudes saying 530+hp, that should trap in the 130+range and will kill most 600's.
    yes, very good point as well.

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