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This is a discussion on Difference Between Trans Am and Trans Am WS6? within the Firebird / WS6 forums, part of the Vehicle Specific category; Originally Posted by BadBlueBuggy This is correct, the upgraded suspension became nothing more than Larger front swaybar and 17" wheels. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadBlueBuggy View Post
    This is correct, the upgraded suspension became nothing more than Larger front swaybar and 17" wheels. can't even buy the rear 1LE (130-180lbs)springs any more.

    Check the Part numbers on the Springs for verification. Late '00-'02 WS6 will have # 10305134 or #22077421 which is the Standard V-8 Rear Springs from '98-'02 and I'd guess the Front spring will be #22077197, #22077195 or # 22197229.

    #22132562 or #22132889 is the rear 1LE spring.

    #22132561 or #22132887 for the front 1LE spring.
    These guys are right. The 1LE components were dropped around 2000 leaving only the larger swaybar as the "upgraded suspension". Of course you still got the 17in wheels/tires, the badges, and Ram Air with the montrous hood that gave it that wicked look.
    Seems the stiffer ride was a compaint from average buyers, thus being changed much like how they changed to the wimpy thin steering wheel some time back due to female buyers complaining.

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    socal...97 lt4 ws6,98firehawk,91z ??

    Awesome cars. I love 91/92 Z28s and LT4s are awesome, but '98 hawk?
    I beith confused..
    And weren't the only LT4 F-bodies the SSLT4 and Firehawk LT4?

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    Sorry but if you really think a TA is the same as a WS6 you guys need help .... ALL a WS6 is a hood lol .... SMH.. Ill just say this hp is about 75 more hp in the WS6!!! THE cars look the same and thats it... Dont believe what you read. .Put both on the dyno .. Then you'll know. . LMFAO THE SAME ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carmine lucchese View Post
    Sorry but if you really think a TA is the same as a WS6 you guys need help .... ALL a WS6 is a hood lol .... SMH.. Ill just say this hp is about 75 more hp in the WS6!!! THE cars look the same and thats it... Dont believe what you read. .Put both on the dyno .. Then you'll know. . LMFAO THE SAME ...
    The last time someone posted in this thread was almost 10 years ago. (12-11-2006) You are correct though, there are some fundamental differences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carmine lucchese View Post
    Sorry but if you really think a TA is the same as a WS6 you guys need help .... ALL a WS6 is a hood lol .... SMH.. Ill just say this hp is about 75 more hp in the WS6!!! THE cars look the same and thats it... Dont believe what you read. .Put both on the dyno .. Then you'll know. . LMFAO THE SAME ...
    They are the same engine, transmissions, & rear ends (A4/M6). Only difference between a Non WS6 and a WS6 are bigger sway bars, springs, an increase of 1" on the air lid tray, Ram Air Hood and badging. There was no special "tune" or cam for WS6 cars. Even if you throw in the Firehawks they had the SLP suspension just a different hood, badging, exhaust, Blackhawk air lid and a birth certificate from SLP. and that gave you a +5 on hp numbers.

    "75 more" would have to be a cam and heads package that did not come from GM. Even if you used a C5 cam and heads during that time frame (98-02) you would still only net maybe.....20+ hp gain.

    To get that 75 number you would need a MS3 or 4 cam, aftermarket heads and a serious good tune.


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    Lol wrong did you do any dyno numbers .???. I don't think so!!! So you can repeat what you read like a parrot. There's 75 hp different easy . Heads are different. Rear ends different . Intake different. Cam ls3. Intake ls3. Injectors are bigger. . Sob get a real ws6 and a ta . Do a side by side on the whole car . Lol internet mechanic. You can tell you have no experience working on this car's. And dont know the difference on the ls family. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carmine lucchese View Post
    Lol wrong did you do any dyno numbers .???. I don't think so!!! So you can repeat what you read like a parrot. There's 75 hp different easy . Heads are different. Rear ends different . Intake different. Cam ls3. Intake ls3. Injectors are bigger. . Sob get a real ws6 and a ta . Do a side by side on the whole car . Lol internet mechanic. You can tell you have no experience working on this car's. And dont know the difference on the ls family. .
    Show me this magical WS6 that comes 75hp more than every single WS6 in existence that ever came stock. Not even the C5 LS1's or LS6 engines had that much of a bump.

    You obviously can comprehend what I wrote. I did state in my post...

    75 more" would have to be a cam and heads package that did not come from GM. Even if you used a C5 cam and heads during that time frame (98-02) you would still only net maybe.....20+ hp gain.

    To get that 75 number you would need a MS3 or 4 cam, aftermarket heads and a serious good tune.
    Now your words...
    Heads are different. Rear ends different . Intake different. Cam ls3. Intake ls3. Injectors are bigger.

    I think that makes it not stock?



    Uh oh...here comes those pesty facts....

    No LS1 or LS6 can use LS3 intake or cam, period. You would need LS3 style heads to use the intake.

    The only GEN III & IV blocks that can use LS3 heads, cam and intake are.....LS2, LQ4 & Lq9's.....why you ask......they all start with a 4.00" cylinder bore and will need to be bored out to at least 4.030". LS1's start with a 3.898" bore, LS3's 4.06"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carmine lucchese View Post
    Lol wrong did you do any dyno numbers .???. I don't think so!!! So you can repeat what you read like a parrot. There's 75 hp different easy . Heads are different. Rear ends different . Intake different. Cam ls3. Intake ls3. Injectors are bigger. . Sob get a real ws6 and a ta . Do a side by side on the whole car . Lol internet mechanic. You can tell you have no experience working on this car's. And dont know the difference on the ls family. .
    WTF are you smoking it's obv you don't know the difference ls3 wasn't even around when these cars were out lol. It's obvious you are a troll and have nothing else to do. If you want to be a good troll actually come up with something that could be plausible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carmine lucchese View Post
    Lol wrong did you do any dyno numbers .???. I don't think so!!! So you can repeat what you read like a parrot. There's 75 hp different easy . Heads are different. Rear ends different . Intake different. Cam ls3. Intake ls3. Injectors are bigger. . Sob get a real ws6 and a ta . Do a side by side on the whole car . Lol internet mechanic. You can tell you have no experience working on this car's. And dont know the difference on the ls family. .
    Nicely trolled .....

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    Somebody must have been really bored to come in and troll on a 10 year old thread... Scott, I don't even know why you bothered
    If it's not a troll, it deserves a ban just for stupidity. Wonder if this guy can help me with the Opti-Spark on my "LT1"?

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    This is the difference.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Y2KArcticSS View Post
    Somebody must have been really bored to come in and troll on a 10 year old thread... Scott, I don't even know why you bothered
    If it's not a troll, it deserves a ban just for stupidity. Wonder if this guy can help me with the Opti-Spark on my "LT1"?

    Wondering why I'm commenting 4 days later?... I'm bored
    I only responded so those that are new to our cars later on will realize that he was posting bad info...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMWS6TA View Post
    I only responded so those that are new to our cars later on will realize that he was posting bad info...
    That makes sense.

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