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This is a discussion on 02 ws6 vs 05 mustang within the Firebird / WS6 forums, part of the Vehicle Specific category; I've raced three or four - one street race -the others were 1/8 mile races. I have also seen many ...

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    I've raced three or four - one street race -the others were 1/8 mile races. I have also seen many at the 1/4 mile track.

    I won every race-- fairly easy.

    I am not even that great of a driver - my best 1/4 mile is 13.76

    I haven't seen a "stock" 05+ GT that was even in the 13s. (Not saying they aren't out there) but the couple I have raced and saw at the track, they aren't really competition. I mean sure if you make a major mistake and they drive very well, Yes, it is drivers race. But if you can consistantly run in the 13s-- You will have no problems.

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    A relative of mine has a 06 gt with a AT and runs 13.8 + or - a 100th consistantly with it..........(in 90 + degree heat too).........Stock
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    any word on additional hp #s with grinding the bump stop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by big hammer View Post
    any word on additional hp #s with grinding the bump stop?
    Generally, the porting, polishing, and bump stop mod tend to give 4-7rwhp from the dyno tests I've seen. They do make a big throttle difference, and wake up your LS1 in upper RPMs. They all add up, and provide more power as you mod. Here's another bump stop link http://www.bowlingss.com/Mods/Instal...Stop%20Mod.mht and a good source of how to links http://www.bowlingss.com/LS1_How_To.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4get gto View Post
    A relative of mine has a 06 gt with a AT and runs 13.8 + or - a 100th consistantly with it..........(in 90 + degree heat too).........Stock

    Auto transmission (stock ) into the 13s-- 90 degree heat?

    Man "all" the ones I have raced and seen at the track must all suck. (scratching head???)

    that relative of yours has a factory freak.

    05+ Mustangs are either accurately rated @ 300 hp or slightly over rated from everything I have heard, and witnessed at the track.

    It is a well known fact that the LS1 is underrated @ 325 hp (02 WS6) -

    LS1 puts at least 300 to the ground. New GTs are lucky to put 275 hp to the ground, am I right, or am I way off?

    The cars weigh about the same.

    If I EVER lose to a truly stock Mustang GT I will know I screwed up royally, because it should never happen.

    Not to mention that I raced a 2007 Mustang Shelby GT rated @ 325 HP - 5 speed - I beat it in the 1/8th of a mile by a car or so if I remember correctly, and I was slowly pulling away.

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    he will lose! but still, those things are quick!

    I ran with my old 06 GT 13.43@103mph stock. it was like 65-70 degrees and i ran 13.6 with missing gear on 90 degrees heat. looked like heat didn't really effect that bad.

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    Stock 05-08 GTs post mid to high 13s on the Mustang forums with a good driver. Low 13s requires exhaust, slicks and a pulley or tune. Low 13s are much easier on an LS1, usually with just the free mods and some good tires.

    With full exhaust and a programmer, assume he's probably low to mid 13s, and a formidable opponent for a stock LS1. Driver's race at this point in a short distance race. You get the advantage the further the race goes.

    Do the free mods I mentioned earlier, and consider getting a lid ($100). Those will give you the edge. Full exhaust and you've got the scales tipped in your favor, much easier kill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doodad View Post
    he will lose! but still, those things are quick!

    I ran with my old 06 GT 13.43@103mph stock. it was like 65-70 degrees and i ran 13.6 with missing gear on 90 degrees heat. looked like heat didn't really effect that bad.

    I don't want to ruffle feathers here. But 13.6 MISSING a gear in 90 degree heat? Come on now.

    How is that I have only managed a 13.7 (not proud of that at all btw)--out of my WS6 and I have never came across a stock Mustang GT that can beat me. I have raced several 99 - 2007! (yes I realize that covers two different models)

    Suddenly on the Internet my car would get beat every time according to you guys

    SO which is it? Did I race a bunch of idiots every single time, who couldn't drive at all, or is it more likely that the LS1 beats a stock Mustang GT every single time if the driving skills is fairly the same (not missing gears, or roasting the tires while sitting still)

    Funny thing is, I raced a 05+ GT California Style (CS= basically a trim upgrade)at a light a few weeks ago, and I spun pretty bad and still out ran it (we raced up to about 70 mph)

    I am not some "Mustang Hater here" I actually like the new Mustang alot. I just don't understand how ALL my personal experiences are the "exception to the rule"..

    I find it more likely that I am right, and the few experiences that are being mentioned here are the exceptions.

    One last example--- A guy I work with owns a 07 GT - 5 speed. He refuses to race me, but I have an accelorometer and I have managed a 0-60mph of 5.15 -- I think he managed a 5.95 0-60 mph.

    I have already proven that I am not perfect driver--- Remember my best 1/4 mile time is 13.76 --- but for some reason that is always easily good enough for me to beat any Mustang GT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrc1122 View Post
    I don't want to ruffle feathers here. But 13.6 MISSING a gear in 90 degree heat? Come on now.

    How is that I have only managed a 13.7 (not proud of that at all btw)--out of my WS6 and I have never came across a stock Mustang GT that can beat me. I have raced several 99 - 2007! (yes I realize that covers two different models)

    Suddenly on the Internet my car would get beat every time according to you guys

    SO which is it? Did I race a bunch of idiots every single time, who couldn't drive at all, or is it more likely that the LS1 beats a stock Mustang GT every single time if the driving skills is fairly the same (not missing gears, or roasting the tires while sitting still)

    Funny thing is, I raced a 05+ GT California Style (CS= basically a trim upgrade)at a light a few weeks ago, and I spun pretty bad and still out ran it (we raced up to about 70 mph)

    I am not some "Mustang Hater here" I actually like the new Mustang alot. I just don't understand how ALL my personal experiences are the "exception to the rule"..

    I find it more likely that I am right, and the few experiences that are being mentioned here are the exceptions.

    One last example--- A guy I work with owns a 07 GT - 5 speed. He refuses to race me, but I have an accelorometer and I have managed a 0-60mph of 5.15 -- I think he managed a 5.95 0-60 mph.

    I have already proven that I am not perfect driver--- Remember my best 1/4 mile time is 13.76 --- but for some reason that is always easily good enough for me to beat any Mustang GT.
    hard to argue with experience...

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    I have not had my Mustang at the track but I raced my mom on the street and she won. (she has a WS6) I don't care though, I still love my car. I did not buy it for racing. I was just curious how mine compared to hers.

    BTW they are both stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBlaze View Post
    I have not had my Mustang at the track but I raced my mom on the street and she won. (she has a WS6) I don't care though, I still love my car. I did not buy it for racing. I was just curious how mine compared to hers.

    BTW they are both stock.
    Congrats on having an 07 GT @ age 17.. Be careful--- I am glad to hear you didn't get this car to race. 17 years old and RWD Muscle cars don't typically mix well.

    Be smart - have fun

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    even if i lose for some reason at least i'm not driving an effin mustang

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrc1122 View Post
    Auto transmission (stock ) into the 13s-- 90 degree heat?

    Man "all" the ones I have raced and seen at the track must all suck. (scratching head???)

    that relative of yours has a factory freak.

    05+ Mustangs are either accurately rated @ 300 hp or slightly over rated from everything I have heard, and witnessed at the track.

    It is a well known fact that the LS1 is underrated @ 325 hp (02 WS6) -

    LS1 puts at least 300 to the ground. New GTs are lucky to put 275 hp to the ground, am I right, or am I way off?

    The cars weigh about the same.

    If I EVER lose to a truly stock Mustang GT I will know I screwed up royally, because it should never happen.

    Not to mention that I raced a 2007 Mustang Shelby GT rated @ 325 HP - 5 speed - I beat it in the 1/8th of a mile by a car or so if I remember correctly, and I was slowly pulling away.
    I'm not happy about it But I'm the one he was taking by about a 100th of sec everytime..........

    Did find out he has some kind of cold air package or whatever. I would have put my money on me either way... I would have lost.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrc1122 View Post
    I don't want to ruffle feathers here. But 13.6 MISSING a gear in 90 degree heat? Come on now.

    How is that I have only managed a 13.7 (not proud of that at all btw)--out of my WS6 and I have never came across a stock Mustang GT that can beat me. I have raced several 99 - 2007! (yes I realize that covers two different models)

    Suddenly on the Internet my car would get beat every time according to you guys

    SO which is it? Did I race a bunch of idiots every single time, who couldn't drive at all, or is it more likely that the LS1 beats a stock Mustang GT every single time if the driving skills is fairly the same (not missing gears, or roasting the tires while sitting still)

    Funny thing is, I raced a 05+ GT California Style (CS= basically a trim upgrade)at a light a few weeks ago, and I spun pretty bad and still out ran it (we raced up to about 70 mph)

    I am not some "Mustang Hater here" I actually like the new Mustang alot. I just don't understand how ALL my personal experiences are the "exception to the rule"..

    I find it more likely that I am right, and the few experiences that are being mentioned here are the exceptions.

    One last example--- A guy I work with owns a 07 GT - 5 speed. He refuses to race me, but I have an accelorometer and I have managed a 0-60mph of 5.15 -- I think he managed a 5.95 0-60 mph.

    I have already proven that I am not perfect driver--- Remember my best 1/4 mile time is 13.76 --- but for some reason that is always easily good enough for me to beat any Mustang GT.

    not everyone can drive. most GT owners i see at tracks are running 14s all day long and bolts on ones are still mid-low 13s.

    I have video of me running 13.66@93mph (missed 4th gear and let the car roll to the finish line hence trap speed) but whoever taped it zoomed t the cars not the timeclock. I have no reasion to BS. If u would be racing against me, you would get beat 9 out of 10 races cuz i used to run consistent 13.5-13.6. I have posted times here somehwere when i ran those times. like 5-6 times in a row 13.6-13.5s

    I have raced a catback only 99 camaro z28 and beat him too. I have always said, and LS1 is faster than new GTs when you compare the cars only.

    I personally saw here a bone stock 01 trans am, automatic was running 13.1-13.0 consistent!

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    Quote Originally Posted by doodad View Post
    not everyone can drive. most GT owners i see at tracks are running 14s all day long and bolts on ones are still mid-low 13s.

    I have video of me running 13.66@93mph (missed 4th gear and let the car roll to the finish line hence trap speed) but whoever taped it zoomed t the cars not the timeclock. I have no reasion to BS. If u would be racing against me, you would get beat 9 out of 10 races cuz i used to run consistent 13.5-13.6. I have posted times here somehwere when i ran those times. like 5-6 times in a row 13.6-13.5s

    I have raced a catback only 99 camaro z28 and beat him too. I have always said, and LS1 is faster than new GTs when you compare the cars only.

    I personally saw here a bone stock 01 trans am, automatic was running 13.1-13.0 consistent!

    I don't know about 9 out of 10 times, i find that I drive better when I am lined up against real competition.

    I've beat a 99 Auto Vette in the 1/8 before. I think I won because it truly was a drivers race, and I ran much better knowing I really wanted to win. And knowing that I always run my best when I am next to a 'stang. Because as I said before I just can't ever see myself losing to a stock GT no matter what year it is. My 13.76 has always been racing 12 second cars, or 14.5+ second cars, I have never lined up with real competition at the 1/4 mile track.

    Did that make sense? If not I appologize.

    Basically I tend to run better knowing I have to bring my "A" game if I am going to win, and save face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrc1122 View Post
    I don't know about 9 out of 10 times, i find that I drive better when I am lined up against real competition.

    I've beat a 99 Auto Vette in the 1/8 before. I think I won because it truly was a drivers race, and I ran much better knowing I really wanted to win. And knowing that I always run my best when I am next to a 'stang. Because as I said before I just can't ever see myself losing to a stock GT no matter what year it is. My 13.76 has always been racing 12 second cars, or 14.5+ second cars, I have never lined up with real competition at the 1/4 mile track.

    Did that make sense? If not I appologize.

    Basically I tend to run better knowing I have to bring my "A" game if I am going to win, and save face.
    again, if you are running 13.7s then a stock GT with a driver who knows what he is doing should beat you at track. now, if a driver who knows what he is doing gets in your car against a stock GT, shouldn't lose. when i went to track last year, i didnt know anybody and i said to my buddy who owns a mach 1 and knows a lot of people that i wanted to run a stock LS1 and he knew a guy with a bone stock to paper 99 blue regular trans am and we only got a chance to line up once and i ran 13.64@102mph and he ran 13.8@104mph. I beat him.

    your car shoudnt lose to a stock GT but you may and if you do, don't be surprised, just work on your driver skills before mods and result will change.

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