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    Please help me settle this argument with my dad!!!

    Hey guys,

    I am not normally on the camaro forums because I own a trans am right now even though we have had out share of camaros in our family. tonight I was arguing with my father and I was hoping that you guys could help me out.

    When i was 14 we bought a 94 rs camaro with an lt1 fully built engine. This car was wicked fast and all of this time I thought it was a z28.. Now my dad is telling my that it was in fact an rs and but the lt1 was put in the car when produced.. I know that people put v8s in rs camaros for insurance purposes but I was hoping that you guys could settle this debate. I swear that I have never heard of an rs with an lt1 option when the car was being produced but he swears that the car had a number in the vin that means it was an lt1!

    I want to choke him because I swear it would be pointless to have an rs camaro and a z28 if the only difference was the roof that is black on z28s.. please let me know so i can set my old man straight! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by smkn gts View Post
    Hey guys,

    I am not normally on the camaro forums because I own a trans am right now even though we have had out share of camaros in our family. tonight I was arguing with my father and I was hoping that you guys could help me out.

    When i was 14 we bought a 94 rs camaro with an lt1 fully built engine. This car was wicked fast and all of this time I thought it was a z28.. Now my dad is telling my that it was in fact an rs and but the lt1 was put in the car when produced.. I know that people put v8s in rs camaros for insurance purposes but I was hoping that you guys could settle this debate. I swear that I have never heard of an rs with an lt1 option when the car was being produced but he swears that the car had a number in the vin that means it was an lt1!

    I want to choke him because I swear it would be pointless to have an rs camaro and a z28 if the only difference was the roof that is black on z28s.. please let me know so i can set my old man straight! lol

    I know a 3rd gen RS could be a v8 or a v6.. I believe the same is true for the '94 4th gen...
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    see it just doesnt make sense to me because the only difference would be the suspension wheels and maybe roof.. that would be the z28 package. would seem pointless to me lol

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    The RS package is an appearance package. Some years it was available on both V6 and V8s. I've seen a couple RS/SS's. Not sure about 94 though

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    Quote Originally Posted by smkn gts View Post
    see it just doesnt make sense to me because the only difference would be the suspension wheels and maybe roof.. that would be the z28 package. would seem pointless to me lol
    I dunno.. I have a loaded '01 y87 and the "appearance" package too.. However I'm a 3800-II.. To add a fully loaded y87 carries more resale value than a base optioned z28..

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    I am 99.99999999% sure that the RS was the "sports appearance package" for the 3.4/3.8L 6 cylinder 4th gen camaros. I've seen 94s, 95s, and 96s, yet I can't recall seeing any 93s or 97s but I am positive that they still produced them in.

    I can't write it in stone that they didn't produce any LT1 RS camaros, but it would be absolutely retarded for GM to do so, and I have yet to even hear of one, factory or aftermarket built.

    The only thing that I would question would be that this "RS" package includes ground effects, dual exhaust, and better gears, does it not? The Y87 package on later model camaros and firebirds (98-02) give it better gears and dual exhaust outlets (maybe even a few other things, not sure?). The Y3F "Sports Appearance Package" was also available on the 98-02 Z28s, as they came with the chin spoiler, rear valance, sideskirts, and lip spoiler on the hatch.

    This question may be best regarded the CZ28.COM as they're more 93-97 based

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMasterCraft View Post
    I am 99.99999999% sure that the RS was the "sports appearance package" for the 3.4/3.8L 6 cylinder 4th gen camaros. I've seen 94s, 95s, and 96s, yet I can't recall seeing any 93s or 97s but I am positive that they still produced them in.

    I can't write it in stone that they didn't produce any LT1 RS camaros, but it would be absolutely retarded for GM to do so, and I have yet to even hear of one, factory or aftermarket built.

    The only thing that I would question would be that this "RS" package includes ground effects, dual exhaust, and better gears, does it not? The Y87 package on later model camaros and firebirds (98-02) give it better gears and dual exhaust outlets (maybe even a few other things, not sure?). The Y3F "Sports Appearance Package" was also available on the 98-02 Z28s, as they came with the chin spoiler, rear valance, sideskirts, and lip spoiler on the hatch.

    This question may be best regarded the CZ28.COM as they're more 93-97 based
    Correct! But the appearance package on my 01 3800-II ment it looks like a z28 but no ground effects.. I also had a 95 v6 3.4l but was not optioned with much of anything..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smittro View Post
    Correct! But the appearance package on my 01 3800-II ment it looks like a z28 but no ground effects.. I also had a 95 v6 3.4l but was not optioned with much of anything..
    I'm lost

    V6 and V8 camaros all look the same without ground effects with the exception of badges and dual outlet exhaust (and more narrow tires but that's hard to tell).

    But what you're saying is that the appearance package on your Z meant it looks like a Z but with no ground effects? Then it would not have the "appearance package" I wouldn't think, as I would think that would be half of it, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMasterCraft View Post
    I'm lost

    V6 and V8 camaros all look the same without ground effects with the exception of badges and dual outlet exhaust (and more narrow tires but that's hard to tell).

    But what you're saying is that the appearance package on your Z meant it looks like a Z but with no ground effects? Then it would not have the "appearance package" I wouldn't think, as I would think that would be half of it, no?
    Umm I don't have a Z.. I do have the y87 3800_II with the appearance package.. Which does'nt include any ground effects..

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    I know someone w/ the rs and it's a 5spd w/ a v-6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smittro View Post
    Umm I don't have a Z.. I do have the y87 3800_II with the appearance package.. Which does'nt include any ground effects..
    Smittro - I know you've got a V6, and that was a typo on my part. Leme break this down.......

    The 96-97 Y87's came with:

    4-wheel disc brakes
    dual exhaust
    3:42 rear end w/ posi.
    14:4:1 Steering ratio(same as v8 cars)

    Ground effects are part of the Sports Appearance Package and are not included in the Y87 Package, even in the later years (98-02)

    The Y3F package was available on both V6 and V8 models in the second iteration of the 4th generation camaros (98-02). This was considered the "sports appearance package" and nothing more, which included

    2 sideskirts
    chin spoiler
    rear valance
    lip spoiler located at the back of the hatch.

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    Broke down? The Y87 is not the "appearance" package you're referring to, as that would be the "Y3F" package

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMasterCraft View Post
    Smittro - I know you've got a V6, and that was a typo on my part. Leme break this down.......

    The 96-97 Y87's came with:

    4-wheel disc brakes
    dual exhaust
    3:42 rear end w/ posi.
    14:4:1 Steering ratio(same as v8 cars)

    Ground effects are part of the Sports Appearance Package and are not included in the Y87 Package, even in the later years (98-02)

    The Y3F package was available on both V6 and V8 models in the second iteration of the 4th generation camaros (98-02). This was considered the "sports appearance package" and nothing more, which included

    2 sideskirts
    chin spoiler
    rear valance
    lip spoiler located at the back of the hatch.

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    Broke down? The Y87 is not the "appearance" package you're referring to, as that would be the "Y3F" package
    Yeah you maybe right.. I can't find my dam window sticker.. I could have sworn it says it has the "appearance package" but it did'nt say "sport appearance package".. So until I find the window sticker I can't argue what you have stated...

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    I hate V6 differentiation or however the F you spell it

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMasterCraft View Post
    I hate V6 differentiation or however the F you spell it

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    Ok, I'm putting my full vote out that the RS was never available with the LT1... I got $100 on it

    Anybody else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMasterCraft View Post
    Ok, I'm putting my full vote out that the RS was never available with the LT1... I got $100 on it

    Anybody else?
    I'm in too.. After doing some digging I can't find and LT1 powered "rs" anywheres..

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    I vote to agree that the RS was never available with the LT1. I truly believe that the last year a V8 was available for the RS was in '92. First car I ever owned.

    Now I know the Y3F sports appearance package was available in the 4th gens for the Z28, but I feel as if the last true RS was in the '92 era because after that, GM downgraded the RS into the V6 packages.

    My 2 cents

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    Quote Originally Posted by SajoR View Post
    I vote to agree that the RS was never available with the LT1. I truly believe that the last year a V8 was available for the RS was in '92. First car I ever owned.

    Now I know the Y3F sports appearance package was available in the 4th gens for the Z28, but I feel as if the last true RS was in the '92 era because after that, GM downgraded the RS into the V6 packages.

    My 2 cents
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