Ladies and Gents, I think we are all screwd!
This is a discussion on Ladies and Gents, I think we are all screwd! within the Camaro / SS forums, part of the Vehicle Specific category; Originally Posted by fergyflyer I'm not qualified to say if these UAW workers are overpaid or not. The market is ...
03-12-2009, 06:52 PM #41
You believe labor laws will protect your rights, you go ahead and believe that. I know better, I've worked plenty of jobs in my time and I know better. Most companys aren't guilty of labor law violations but it does exist, so believe what you like.
With regards to your employee 10 years of poor reviews, economic slow down, that makes a little bit of a difference. You might have mentioned that in your earlier post.
And as far as this goes
Way off again. What I said was that someone that has been doing a job for 10 years should be more productive than the new guy to actually be worth more money. Just because you go to a place for 5, 10 or 20 years doesn't mean you deserve more money, you need to earn it through increased performance. If a new guy and the 10 year guy are just as productive thenthey both should make the same money.
For one if the job pays $8 bucks an hour and Joe blow has been there 10yrs why would you not give him a raise. Ever heard of cost of living increase? What about giving him some incentive to stay? See this is were you and I really part company. If I am running a company and I have good employees who come in everyday on time and they do a good job for me. In time Im gonna pay them more. Why because I want them to stay. I have seen to many people who come and go that could care less about who they work for or what kind of job they do. And beleive me there are more of them than good reliable people. You said earlier, you get what you pay for. So you can pay Joe 8 bucks an hour for 10 years if you want to but in the real world Joe is gonna leave you and come work for me. Like I said earlier turnaround.
I'm not understanding you here. I think if the employee was punched in and was coming in the door they should always be looking to get baskets to bring in. 25 years ago I worked for a company called Pharmor. They had lots of shopping carts and just about every employee would bring in baskets anytime they came in, punched in or not. It would be wrong for an employer to ask for employees to do that, but a good employee wouldn't have to be asked. They would realize that what benefits the company benefits the employees. If you don't get that concept you're hopeless
Your missing the point. When I come to work I am here to do my job and do the best job I can do all while getting PAID. So don't stop me comming through the door because I didn't stop and grab a basket or two comming in from the parking lot. I'll grab all the baskets you want and without having to be told, but I will do so AFTER I clock in. Did you get that? If not you're hopeless.
I'm not qualified to say if these UAW workers are overpaid or not. The market is and since the market bears less money for similar jobs at non-union auto manufacturers the logical conclusion is they are overpaid. Considerably too when you look at the benefits package and compensation. Reality is that if these UAW workers don't accept a reality based wage instead of the wage they are making now, they won't be making any money and they will force the company into bankruptcy. It would be a real shame for the current workers to destroy the retirements of thousands of former wokers. All they need to do is look at the steel workers to see what will and is going to happen to them.
Like I said earlier I completely understand that concessions need to be made. But they need to be made everywhere in the company. All you guys wanna talk about is how the worker needs to have his pay cut how his benefits need to be cut back. Cutbacks need to be accross the board, PERIOD. The current workers aren't destroying the retirements of former workers the economy is. The car companys say they cannot survive if they have to continue paying the retirement benefits. According to them that is the biggest problem. Unfortunatly the reitrees are doomed bankrupcy or not.
Last edited by Lethal Z; 03-13-2009 at 05:50 PM.
03-12-2009, 06:56 PM #42
03-12-2009, 07:05 PM #43
- Join Date
- Jan 2009
- Bel Air, Md
- 2000 Camaro Conv.
I'm 67 and have never owned a foreign car or truck. Don't be too hard on us retired guys. When we started working things aren't the way they are now. All of these power tools and equipment have made working with your hands quite a bit easier. When I first started most of the generation before me ended up with back surgeries and walked bent over during their retirement.
03-13-2009, 02:30 AM #44
03-13-2009, 03:27 PM #45
03-13-2009, 05:30 PM #46
Lethal Z, you and I agree completely that the management is to blame too and that they need to feel the pain as well. Their pay needs to be cut to the same levels as the competition and their bonuses need to be $0 till the company makes a profit. I think you missed that point in my first post.
I brought in carts when I worked a job like that. It wasn't like I ran around the parking lot, but if I walked past a cart or two or three I brought it in. I don't see anything wrong with that. That attitude got me promoted and raises that were better than others got so in effect I got paid to bring in carts.
Too many people have the attitude that they should be paid what their worth. If you change that around to people should show, through actions, what they are capable of and what they are worth, then things would work much better for all.
I've had employees tell me that they didn't get hired to clean the bathroom, but guess what, I clean the bathroom, I sweep up trash and I pick up dead animals by the side of the road too. If someone pays you and you take their money, unless it's something that isn't safe to do you should do whatever needs to be done. No sheetmetal to work on then clean the machine, your tools, sweep the floor, help someone else. Keep busy doing something productive.
03-13-2009, 05:46 PM #47
I have worked with people that threw cake parties everyday and would take your order for McDonalds via cell phone on their way to work. They ended up in management within a year while people that had been there 10 just watched. Meanwhile the rest of us were doing the job we were paid to do and absolutely killing production/accuracy. The people that just sat around surfing the internet, kissing ass, and promoting themselves to fictitious boss got paid. Those that worked non stop were just asked to work harder to cover. In a small factory these things are fixed quickly. When you get large it's often overlooked. Problem is the chiefs aren't what they claim to be. In most cases they are paid far too much for very little. Meanwhile they are working other people like slaves and throwing crumbs at them. They totally suck at their job and they're grading you on yours. Once it gets like that you can't correct it. You're bankrupt. It's all starts with Johnny Lazy finding a new way to be productive.
Just like with the banks. The small productive banks will be purchased by the big lazy banks that couldn't generate a profit but got a bailout that can't even be traced back to them.
Last edited by ezwip; 03-14-2009 at 06:14 AM.
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