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This is a discussion on got time? within the Camaro / SS forums, part of the Vehicle Specific category; Originally Posted by Firebirdjones I agree,,,I have given good solid info from my own testing, and there is so much ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebirdjones View Post
    I agree,,,I have given good solid info from my own testing, and there is so much on our lovely internet to find about this stuff,,,it's almost a no brainer...but some people either don't understand, don't take the time to do the research, or simply enjoy disagreeing whether right or wrong,,,,what ever the case may be,,,it doesn't matter to me. I know what I have found, and if others don't want to listen it's no sweat off my back. Just hoping it would help some people. In any event,,,it's probably time to close this chapter. Larry.
    i never said ram air does not make a few extra h.p.
    what im saying, its not going to decide a race with a likewise modded car.
    ive beaten likewise modded SSs and WS6s and lost.
    its about launch and driver is my point.
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    Z28's have the same things,,,as a matter of fact, I have never seen one that I would call a stripper, they all have power windows and A/C, cruise, power locks, power streering, power brakes,,,,I very rarely ever see one with cloth interior anyway. So I don't see this causing any weight differences. They are all equipped pretty similar. I have had my plane old 97 Z-28 on the scale, and it came in at 3,520 lbs. with 1/2 tank of gas,,,I don't exactly call that a featherweight stripper. I am willing to bet as soon as the weather clears and I get the SS over to the scales, it will be within 30 -40 lbs. Larry.

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    Before this weight discussion turns into a brawl,,,I just want to say,,,we should base this on cold hard facts.
    I have weighed all my cars,,,,except for the newly aquired SS, the weather has to clear before I can get to the scales,,,but I posted my plain Z-28 and I find it rather portly for a car full of fiberlgass.
    Anyone else weigh their cars? Larry.

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    Is it a stripper and what is a NHRA Formula?

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    LOL, I didn't mean racing a stock ram air car against a likewise modded car,,,,we were talking stock for stock. Once you mod a non ramair car with a cold air kit, you basically have the same thing. Now I am thinking we haven't been on the same page this entire discussion,,,lol. Larry.

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    I think we need a "What does your car Weigh" sticky. It would be nice to see weights of cars, with all options listed, would be a cool thing. I have always weighed all my cars. It has just been something of interest to me. Larry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebirdjones View Post
    I think we need a "What does your car Weigh" sticky. It would be nice to see weights of cars, with all options listed, would be a cool thing. I have always weighed all my cars. It has just been something of interest to me. Larry.
    Start a thread FBJ. I will weigh mine within the week.

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    I'll get my on the scales. I wanted to see what my winter weight is anyway.

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    Very cool 9T8Z28....Glad to hear it. I will check it out for sure and post some of my junk if it helps. Thanks for that. Larry.

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    What main heading will it be under?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebirdjones View Post
    LOL, I didn't mean racing a stock ram air car against a likewise modded car,,,,we were talking stock for stock. Once you mod a non ramair car with a cold air kit, you basically have the same thing. Now I am thinking we haven't been on the same page this entire discussion,,,lol. Larry.
    what i mean by likewise, if both are stock or both with same exact mods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhraformula View Post
    what i mean by likewise, if both are stock or both with same exact mods.
    Whats an NHRA Formula?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9t8z28 View Post
    Is it a stripper and what is a NHRA Formula?

    a stripper has no power anything, cloth seats
    am/fm radio and so on. no creature comforts at all outside of air.

    nhra model,
    thorson rear end 3.23 for an auto or torson 3.43 rear gear for a M6.
    polished rims
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    and some other shit i just dont remember at the moment

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    1sh option package

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    and whats that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebirdjones View Post
    LOL, thats the funniest thing I have heard. It's silly to even argue over it. Do you mean to tell me that all those million dollar engineers at nascar are wasting their time and don't know what they are doing? Common. Larry.
    Your misinformed young man. NASCAR takes their air from the base of the windshield. Out front is turbulance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TransDreamer View Post
    dyno is one thing, but when your going 80 mph and your sucking in the cold air to feed your engine that would make a big difference.

    I am going off what Larry said about the 10 degree difference in the incoming air yeilds 1% power... which is alot of power
    Listen....cold air is good. You want to get your cold air from the least turbulent area and not add drag to your car. A hood scoop results in more drag than any increase in RWHP so your net result is less versus getting outside air from a more aerodynamically correct location. Now some folks get confused by adding "RamAir" and picking up a tenth or two and maybe a MPH or two in trap speed.....they holler to the top of their lungs and bang pots and pans together for a month...RamAir WORKS they holler...when the truth is they are experiencing cold air versus heated engine bay air...and if they moved their intake to say in the wheel well they would pick up even more due the elimination of the air flow inefficiencies of a hood scoop....Dont confuse cold air and RamAir. Pretty please. With sugar on top.

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    Yes Sarge, I know all that,,,I already mentioned it. Thanks though. I already talked about the base of the windshield in depth, with both nascar and GM's version. We have went over it so much I think things are starting to get twisted around. Larry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge View Post
    Listen....cold air is good. You want to get your cold air from the least turbulent area and not add drag to your car. A hood scoop results in more drag than any increase in RWHP so your net result is less versus getting outside air from a more aerodynamically correct location. Now some folks get confused by adding "RamAir" and picking up a tenth or two and maybe a MPH or two in trap speed.....they holler to the top of their lungs and bang pots and pans together for a month...RamAir WORKS they holler...when the truth is they are experiencing cold air versus heated engine bay air...and if they moved their intake to say in the wheel well they would pick up even more due the elimination of the air flow inefficiencies of a hood scoop....Dont confuse cold air and RamAir. Pretty please. With sugar on top.
    you need to read up

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