345 hp camaro???
This is a discussion on 345 hp camaro??? within the Camaro / SS forums, part of the Vehicle Specific category; Originally Posted by slimss slp blackwing and cme or dual dual exhaust are low budget pieces???? How do you figure ...
12-30-2011, 11:43 AM #81
The category of car has NOTHING to do with it when they use the same engine. If it works in a Camaro it would work in a Corvette. If SLP had such a wonderful know how and what not GM would have said "Hell, we should do this to our Corvettes! We dont need a better set of heads and cam, we can just use this exhaust and intake stuff and get an extra 50hp!" After all we are talking 35 in the Camaro's corner from the Z28 to the top of the hill 345hp version. Right?
Why does any manufacturer team up with another company? Mostly marketing and in this case you bought it hook, line, and sinker.
My friends 2005 GTO has the SLP headers and they were horrible to put on. Fitment sucked, they sound like ass, they were WAY over priced compared to say a nice set of Kooks, and they are low quality and are in my opinion lower than Pace Setters.
I hate to be such a downer but come on guys.........see it for what it really is.
12-30-2011, 12:21 PM #82
Well,,,,you can lead a horse to water but.......
12-30-2011, 12:44 PM #83
There is a reason its popular mostly with 4th gen F-body cars. Reason? The cars are cheap as are their products. You cant compare them to Lingenfelter or someone as such.
The new 5th gen ZL SLP cars I can more so than the 4th gens.
12-30-2011, 01:34 PM #84
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I think you missed the point and are over thinking this whole slp thing, Of course you could use slp stuf on a car that has the same engine, Sounds like you are saying the slp upgrades we are talking about are worthless. And as far as the corvette goes isnt the z o6 an upgrade from a base corvette??? Just like an ss is from a z28??? Do you think GM is gonna offer just a hi flow air filter and and hi flow exhaust to a corvette and then want 20000 grand more????
12-30-2011, 03:50 PM #85
Exactly Slim, it's obvious TLS has completely missed the point.
TLS,,,,,The whole reason SLP teamed up with GM was to give us an SS camaro, something that had been lacking in the market. They also gave us Firehawks, even back in 3rd generation production. It had nothing to do with corvette, not sure how that came into the discussion, but whatever....
You are really grasping at things that just aren't justifiable. Trying to show how quick your car goes that has obviously had wrenches turned on it and compare to a bone stocker is hardly a case for discussion. And then make excuses for it was somewhat comical Go back and re-read the thread, I think you missed half of it.....
01-02-2012, 03:36 PM #86
01-05-2012, 09:59 AM #87
3550 with 345hp = 10.29 hp/liter
3550 with 305hp = 11.64 hp/liter
Lets take a look at the GTO.
3770 with 350hp = 10.77 hp/liter
3770 with 400hp = 9.43 hp/liter
There is abigger difference between LS1 GTO's and LS2 GTO's on average than there is with LS1 cars vs those with the SLP options.
No..........the Z06 is FAR more than just HP difference back in the early 2000's and it wasnt 20k more than the coupe so check your figures. LS7 compared to the LS2/3 then yes.. The SS is not as much as an upgrade to the Z28 as the Z06 is to the base coupe. lol Z28 engine and SS engine are the same. Coupe and Z06 do not share the same engine.
My point is this. If the SS is that much better as far as HP with their products GM could have skipped changing the cam, heads, and pistons (differnet alloy) to make the Z06 they would have simply kept the FCR suspension and just added the intake and exhaust system. Thats my point. If it really worked they would have used that instead because of a few reasons.
1: Cheaper than redesigning and producing heads, cams, blocks (thank the LS6 for the good block some F-bodies came with), and pistons.
2: It is far easier to just put that stuff on than run a completely different engine with tune.
3: It would have been a way to market the Corvette to people who think SLP products are touched by the hands of God himself.
By the way, the later F-body (2000-2002) manifolds flow better than the 98-99 and are close to being shortys themselves. That is why I was saying stock for stock on a 2000+ they dont do barely anything.
I didnt miss anything. You all like to blow smoke up one anothers butts about how great SLP products are and when someone brings anything against you all of you tend to band together and talk down to that person.
No offense but some of you have zero cognitive ability.
Remember when I said something about how the 325hp 396ci was a dog? All you could do is prove how great it was because they were modified in drag cars setting records.
01-05-2012, 11:00 AM #88
What cracks me up TLS, is that you seem to comprehend that a lid and a catback exhaust are worthwhile HP upgrades on any 4th gen LS,,,,,,
But when they are installed on an SS or a Firehawk they don't do anything??
That's what this entire thread has been about bud. Somehow you got lost in there.
01-05-2012, 11:39 AM #89
They do work and I am sure together they "help: but for the same price as the intake and a cat back a cam swap sure would do wonders and make much more gains. But now that would be getting in to ROI or cost/benefit analysis.
01-05-2012, 11:41 AM #90
I guess I should say its better than stock but not enough that I call it a real "gain". I guess 6 Sigma and I would dissagree with your claims. The gains those things show could be offset more so by just temperature and humidity.
01-05-2012, 12:03 PM #91
01-05-2012, 12:42 PM #92
A head/cam package and a tune isnt much more than a good cat back and an intake system with a good filter and you will make a ton more power. Most cat-backs people go for are for sound and not real power If they wanted performance they would put on headers and an ORY.
Sorry but I see intake/catback the same as a new downtube and fartcan for the import boys. Ricer math my friend. May as well throw an NOS sticker on the side because that gives 10 hp as well.
01-05-2012, 02:54 PM #93
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01-05-2012, 03:23 PM #94
I thought I was being funny
Now you are way out in left field my friend. Comparing what a fart can and down pipe does on an 80hp honda to a performance oriented V8? That's an air pump 3 times the size.
How much gain is "that much" to you??? I don't think anyone here said there are huge gains. But I'm sure there are plenty on this board that have done lids and catbacks with measurable differences, probably 100's of them. I'm one of them.
If it makes you feel better about it...... A lid and catback on an otherwise bone stocker easily adds 20 rwhp and can be more in some cases. It's good for a tenth or two improvement and a solid 1 mph or more. The performance is proven and that's a fact. It's been the basis for adding HP since the combustable engine began life. Do a search, don't take my word for it. If you weren't around when these cars were new, you wouldn't have seen it first hand, because most everything out there now has been wrenched on.
Don't know how this started as being "too much of a gain" to the point you think it's unbelievable. That part has me confused. There is a reason everyone tosses this stuff on their cars.
But for some reason all the Z28 and TA owners get upset when there is an SS or a Firehawk that comes with a performance lid and catback already installed and they get their panties in a twist over the whole HP thing. It really gets blown out of proportion.
For those that don't want to pay SS money that has these options already installed,,,,then by all means, go out and buy a Z28 for gods sake. No one is forcing you to like a Y2Y SS.
I look at it as a car that already has a couple of mods knocked out of the way, what's the big deal?
01-05-2012, 06:59 PM #95
Even 243's when you port and polish them aren't exactly cheap if you do a budget head.
An exhaust is like $500, lid is a $100, and a filter is $50 = $650. No tune required on that.
Big difference in price there to be comparing the gains from a H/C to a catback/lid/filter.
01-06-2012, 04:19 AM #96
What is a blackwing lid with filter and a cat back exhaust going to cost? I figure close to $1,200 just to be on the safe side.
So say $500 for a tune on top of the $1,300 and maybe another $200 for other things. That is $2,000, if $800 is going to break you (which it might to some people, hence why they think SLP is so great) perhaps you shouldnt even own a V8 performance car. And honestly, a lot of people would have to pay to have the cat-back put on. lol
01-06-2012, 04:28 AM #97
Its not unbelieveable......its blown out of proportion that its THAT much more power. An air pressure adjustment could net better gains than a cat-back and an intake.
So an 80 hp honda gets 2hp from his mods and an air pump 4 times the size gets what, 8 hp tops? hahaha There are cars that come off the factory line with greater differences in power than you get from the SLP stuff on the car. You make it sounds like they are world beaters and they are far from it.
I guess it comes down to this. The intake and catback would work freaking wonders if GM would have said to SLP "Throw on headers, a set of high flow cats with a good flowing mid pipe, and re-tune it." but stand alone they are not worth it the money to me. If SLP would have done the headers and mid pipe then you would see 30 hp no problem and it would be worth it.
Dont mistake, they are worthwhile for power if you plan to do headers/mid pipe but if not they are for sound and "allure". That stuff all works in unison but the biggest choking point are the exhaust manifolds and the mid pipe. Agreed? You can only push so much through the stock manifolds......hence why most hod-rodders dump those in favor of headers.
01-06-2012, 06:20 AM #98
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01-06-2012, 07:09 AM #100
I shouldnt have said that.
Tires > ALL SLP products together.
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