345 hp camaro???
This is a discussion on 345 hp camaro??? within the Camaro / SS forums, part of the Vehicle Specific category; Originally Posted by slimss I guess the real question is are the 345 hp cars any faster than a 325 ...
12-29-2011, 10:14 AM #61
To answer that question, yes, the 345HP cars should be slightly quicker than a bone stock Z28. With exhaust and an air lid that is advantageous to the stock pieces, I don't see how anyone could think otherwise.
The WS6 was a pretty nice piece though, even though it didn't come with these options. The air box and hood was a better working system over the SS.
12-29-2011, 11:09 AM #62
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12-29-2011, 11:22 AM #63
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12-29-2011, 01:45 PM #64
The SS hood was a bit goofy in it's route to the box. SAM bought an SS brand new and started modding. One of the things they did was mod the hood for better airflow. That article is on the web somewhere with each and every change and gain at the track recorded, it's pretty interesting.
12-29-2011, 02:24 PM #65
Hot Rod - October 2000 - Son of SAM
Here you go. Hard for me to find, but they go over all the little changes, with HP improvements and track times. I remember reading about this in 99 when they first bought the car. Pretty interesting read.
12-29-2011, 03:29 PM #66
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Thanks for posting that FBJ! I remember reading about that when they did it. I was extremely impressed. Still am, really.
12-29-2011, 09:51 PM #67
12-30-2011, 12:08 AM #68
I have one. Little more than 9k on the clock.
12-30-2011, 06:55 AM #69
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And as far as performance upgrades go You could get the cme or dual dual exhaust without the blackwing airlid in 2002, but you couldnt just get the blackwing air lid without the hi flow exhaust option. Also the 345 hp 02 ss in california did not include the blackwing airlid due to strict california emissions yet it was still sold as a 345 hp car according to the 2nd slp content sticker on the passenger door
12-30-2011, 08:15 AM #70
12-30-2011, 09:00 AM #71
I don't think I could ever live in California, even though I hear it's gorgeous.
12-30-2011, 09:14 AM #72
12-30-2011, 09:17 AM #73
Sorry, manifolds are restrictive and unless they are different between a Z28 and an SS I dont see the edge going anywhere to either side. Just because you can put slightly (and I do mean slightly) more IN to the engine with a little better intake system if you cant move more air out you wont make much if any more power. An engine as we all know is an air pump.
I am willing to bet that if you strap a stock Z down next to the same exact year SS they will make within 3 hp of one another. If a driver can feel 3 hp he is a liar. The only difference is that some engines are just stronger than others from the factory and I am not talking about freaks either. What I mean is that there some engines that will make a little more or a little less power than others. These are not hand built engines like the ones found in the 6-speed Grand Sports or the Z06 or ZR-1 so yeah so the tolerances and pieces dont fit as well as they could, there will be a range of power that they put down.
I remember seeing some test that prove the Ram Air hood does jack shit unless over 130 mph and all it does is create more drag and is heavier than the flat version.
One reason the SS CAN run better times is the 275 tires compared to the smaller ones found on the Z28.
I love how people compare one dyno run to another cars dyno run. 1. Was it on the same day? 2. Did they have to same exact air quality conditions?
You cant compare a dyno of a Corvette from one day to the dyno of a Firebird some time later even if it is on the same dyno.
My lowly little 2000 Z28 with 2.73 gears, a hacked MAF, yes it had an SLP intake but the K&N filter was plugged to shit, the TB was dirty as hell, it has shorty headers that do NOTHING, the mid pipes are freaking about 2", and the flow master cat back is not helping anything and that car ran 13.5@104 in 1800 DA. If we want to talk about magazine posted times show me a 6-speed car with these magical SLP items (that we all know are pretty much shit anyway in comparison to other makes) that posted THAT much better of a time. I have an article at home where the SS ran a 13.6@106.
Not trying to be a downer on the parade but to me an SS may handle better than a Z28 but that is where it ends.....same with the birds.
Would I rather have an SS? You bet your sweet aSS.
12-30-2011, 09:26 AM #74
The lids also add power and has been shown many times as well.....
So an SS with these 2 options right off the bat has an advantage over any regular production Z28 with stock pieces, plain and simple.
Why do you think these are some of the very first changes that owners make to these cars? It's certainly not because they have money burning a hole in their pockets.....
12-30-2011, 09:31 AM #75
Tire size doesn't really make a damn bit of difference. I could 60 foot my wifes Z28 just as well as my SS, both with stock size tires. There isn't enough difference there. A 255/50-16 is still a pretty decent size tire with alot of foot print. I can cut 1.8 60's with a little F70-14 goodyear polyglass that have a 6" foot print, so there are no excuses....
12-30-2011, 09:38 AM #76
As far as SLP parts being shit,,,,,their cat backs most certainly are not. I have my own data that shows the SLP dual/dual systems work just as well as any other 3" catback out there on the market. We tested several systems (about 8 of them) on the same car and found similar results. It wasn't until we stepped up to a 4" catback that we saw a substantial improvement.
So if you have an SS or Firehawk with a factory optional dual/dual system, you would be waisting your time to replace that with an aftermarket 3" system. There is nothing to be found there. Been there, done that.
12-30-2011, 09:52 AM #77
The other thing is you KNOW how to launch on those little poly glass tires. If I remember your suspension is worked and you put some weight in the trunk, right?
You are also trying to justify the air intake system with a car that isnt stock. Sorry, apples to oranges on that one. Cutting off the same percentage of air flow to a high performance engines will reduce its power further than if you do that same percentage to a smaller engine. 90% of 350 is a larger loss than 90% of 200. Thus the more powerful car will lose more power.
A dyno can show anything that the guy running it wants it to show and that is a fact.
Not to offend anyone but if SLP was THAT great and their products worked down you think GM would have made some SLP options from the factory for the Corvette? Oh yeah..........they didnt because they are low budget. Sorry, but its true.
12-30-2011, 09:55 AM #78
1. The shorty headers may help but the small as cats and mid pipes that they prior owner put on are something you would see on a Dodge Omni.
2. The cat back has a portion of the pipe caved in to clear the rear suspension making the pipe a lot smaller.
3. The filter was so clogged that just by shaking it I got 2 handfulls of dirt out of it.
4. The MAF was so bad that I had to replace it because of the horrible stumble the car had.
5. The PCM was not tuned for anything.
6. The 2.73 gears suck in those cars.....even with the 3.06 1st gear in the tranny it cant be compared to the manual and 6-speed or the 3.23 rear.
12-30-2011, 10:58 AM #79
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slp blackwing and cme or dual dual exhaust are low budget pieces???? How do you figure that??? If that was the case why would have GM ever team up with them in the first place??? And as far as the Corvette goes its in a completely different catagory when youre talking about pony cars
12-30-2011, 11:06 AM #80
Let's not get too worked up here boys
I think the SLP Blackwing air lid is the best quality air lid ever produced for our cars (in my opinion of course). This is why they fetch upwards of $300 used. Granted, they are a collector's item, but the quality of them is top notch to boot. SLP definitely did that right.
I think the misconception with SLP is about their aftermarket parts and claims (HP) such as their headers. Also, a lot of people do not like their exhaust tone with LT's so they immediately start bashing them. I have a few of their parts and I've had no issues with them other than the smooth bellows not fitting properly and I had to trim it back when I had an air lid on my car. That's pretty typical with all of those types of items though.
Overall though I think their prices are high and their customer service is less than great. Some say it plain right sucks. I fortunately never had to find out first-hand so I take the words of others with a grain of salt.
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