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Is the Dodge demon the best Muscle car of all time????

This is a discussion on Is the Dodge demon the best Muscle car of all time???? within the Almost Anything Goes forums, part of the Off - Topic / Discussion forums category; Originally Posted by GTP231 A fat person isn't going to cause the car to be down 10-15 mph. Only thing ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTP231 View Post
    A fat person isn't going to cause the car to be down 10-15 mph. Only thing that will cause that is less power
    Maybe not the weight of just one person, but to say the only thing that will cause a 10-15 mph slow down is less power is inaccurate. There could be a combination of many things including power, weight, and wind/drag. It's not an inconceivable situation. Surely you can find something better to fault the car or Dodge for than that. In any event, it's the quickest production internal combustion vehicle in history.

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    This whole "quickest production car" is a great piece of marketing by Dodge. It's becoming obvious that the car isnt going to hit that magical 9.65 number for the overwhelming majority of owners. Even if it does, it's the quickest 1/4 mile production drag car, and that's it. What about beyond the quarter mile? There are a few cars right on its heals in the 1/4 mile that will likely pull equal to a demon pretty quickly afterword. Some will pass it up with ease at a certain point. Despite the fact that it's a low production car, I bet a Bugatti Chiron would not only beat a Demon 9/10 times at a drag strip, but absolutely rape it in any other performance metric. It's no doubt quicker to 200 mph, or any speed above that.

    Let's call the Demon what it is. The best street legal drag racer money can buy. And that's it. Make no mistake, I love the Demon, it's a cool concept. I'd rather have a ZL1 or even a regular Hellcat though, because they're so much better at being livable every day cars, and they're still obscenely fast. A new Trackhawk Grand Cherokee would be a damn bit more entertaining than a Demon on the street, and would probably wipe its ass with a Demon from stoplight to stoplight as the Demon floundered for traction

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    Quote Originally Posted by OKSS View Post
    Maybe not the weight of just one person, but to say the only thing that will cause a 10-15 mph slow down is less power is inaccurate. There could be a combination of many things including power, weight, and wind/drag. It's not an inconceivable situation. Surely you can find something better to fault the car or Dodge for than that. In any event, it's the quickest production internal combustion vehicle in history.
    I remember the 99 Cobra though
    Ok so fat guy head wind and less power is what you think it'll take to explain 10-15 less mph? No less power is the most obvious reason as the first two with driver skill will lose 5 maybe 6 mph. Power is the biggest factor
    I've already made plenty of criticism about FCA/modern day Chrysler build quality in many posts on this site. Former tech so I've seen plenty of grenaded Hemis and falling appaet front ends etc first hand. That was one of my reasons for saying it is a dumb car to buy as an investment
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    A Bugatti Chiron is how much more than a Demon?

    If choosing between the Zl1 and Demon with pricing considered, I also would choose a ZL1. Although if given one to cruise around in for a week, a Demon would be my choice without thinking twice.

    A Trackhawk would without a doubt be more fun cruising around in because you could catch TONS of people off guard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OKSS View Post
    A Bugatti Chiron is how much more than a Demon?.
    That's exactly what a Dodge rep said at a recent car auction I was at where there was both a Demon and a Chiron up for auction. As if price somehow disqualifies the Chiron from being considered a production car. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTP231 View Post
    That was one of my reasons for saying it is a dumb car to buy as an investment
    The first one at public auction was at Mecum Kissimmee and went for $133k+ fees. The second one at public auction was at Scottsdale BJ and went for $135+ fees. Neither were for charity.

    The owners of those two cars.. even if they paid the dealerships $25k.. still made at least a $15k profit. Not sure how that wouldn't be considered a good investment. I'll grant you that it's still in the hot and new phase, but nonetheless, those people made money on their investment in a Dodge vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.0THIS View Post
    That's exactly what a Dodge rep said at a recent car auction I was at where there was both a Demon and a Chiron up for auction. As if price somehow disqualifies the Chiron from being considered a production car. lol.
    It does not disqualify it, however there still isn't evidence to support the Chiron is faster in a 1/4 mile than a Demon. IMO there's a reason that the 1/4 times for a Chiron are hard to come by. What manufacturer would want to see their elite $2mm+ car get beat by a $90k car?

    As we can all agree, the Demon was purposely built to be a street legal quarter mile dragster. Nothing more. If you want something slower in a quarter mile and better around a track, buy something else.

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    Hard to come by. Show me a video of that glory pass for the Demon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTP231 View Post
    Hard to come by. Show me a video of that glory pass for the Demon.
    There's not one. Just a certification from the NHRA. (Yes, that's just a piece of paper).

    The first people to have a Demon have only had them for a few weeks. The Chiron has been available for over a year now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OKSS View Post
    There's not one. Just a certification from the NHRA. (Yes, that's just a piece of paper).

    The first people to have a Demon have only had them for a few weeks. The Chiron has been available for over a year now.
    The Chiron is estimated to be within a tenth of a second in the 1/4 mile. It's also all wheel drive and basically as idiotproof as a car that fast can be to drive, with all of the driving aids. The Demon has already proven to be slower than 9.65 in nearly all conditions with most drivers. It's going to take a lightweight pro driver in excellent conditions to achieve that time, and even then, the Chiron could potentially be faster. The other 99% of the time, the Chiron will be faster. So perhaps it's a bit disingenuous on Dodge's part to go around bragging about how their Demon runs 9.65s. More like high 9s under great conditions, low 10s for most owners.
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    A $2mm should be idiotproof. Even so, the $90k Demon has an NHRA certification of 9.65. The $2mm Chiron does NOT.

    What percentage of the time it could possibly be faster is irrelevant in a conversation about the quickest factory production car. Which is, the Dodge Demon.

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    So if some publication eventually runs them and the Bugatti wins, will you still continue to cling to the NHRA “certification?”

    Since when was the NHRA the final word on what was the fastest? GM could go build a factory car that runs 9.50s. If they don’t get it NHRA “certified,” is it still slower than the Demon?

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    All the NHRA certification means is that they witnessed a car run a time on a certain day. NHRA wouldn’t have a clue if the Demon in question was a 100% production car. My point is, if nobody comes close to that with a true production Demon, it’s nothing but smoke and mirrors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.0THIS View Post
    So if some publication eventually runs them and the Bugatti wins, will you still continue to cling to the NHRA “certification?”
    Nope, but until that day, I'll stick with my opinion that the Demon is the quickest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.0THIS View Post
    All the NHRA certification means is that they witnessed a car run a time on a certain day. NHRA wouldn’t have a clue if the Demon in question was a 100% production car. My point is, if nobody comes close to that with a true production Demon, it’s nothing but smoke and mirrors.
    Finally someone else states my point.
    At this point I'd be happy with someone getting a reasonably close mph for the claims...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTP231 View Post
    Finally someone else states my point.
    At this point I'd be happy with someone getting a reasonably close mph for the claims...
    Why are you stuck on MPH claims? Dodge MAY have exaggerated it. Who cares? People are still buying the car, the dyno runs show it makes the HP they say and more, and people who bought them to flip have made money.

    As previously stated, you've got to find something else about the car to complain about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OKSS View Post
    Why are you stuck on MPH claims? Dodge MAY have exaggerated it. Who cares? People are still buying the car, the dyno runs show it makes the HP they say and more, and people who bought them to flip have made money.

    As previously stated, you've got to find something else about the car to complain about.
    Did anyone ever claim they wont sell them all? Or that they're not making the appropriate power? And who cares if they're being flipped for profit. Those are all red herrings (logical fallacies) on your part. The question here is are they ever going to run what Dodge claims they will run. Dodge built and is selling this car on the marketing coup that it's the fastest production car ever made, and that it carries the unobtainium NHRA "official" certification. If it never runs that time, or almost never, it's kind of a blunder on Dodge's part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.0THIS View Post
    Did anyone ever claim they wont sell them all? Or that they're not making the appropriate power? And who cares if they're being flipped for profit. Those are all red herrings (logical fallacies) on your part. The question here is are they ever going to run what Dodge claims they will run. Dodge built and is selling this car on the marketing coup that it's the fastest production car ever made, and that it carries the unobtainium NHRA "official" certification. If it never runs that time, or almost never, it's kind of a blunder on Dodge's part.
    As if this is the only time Dodge or any automaker may have exaggerated performance data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OKSS View Post
    As if this is the only time Dodge or any automaker may have exaggerated performance data.
    You're right, it doesnt usually matter. With the Demon though, Dodge just had to go get a "certification" that actually certified that their car was so fast. There's a reason why other manufacturers simply offer estimates (usually conservative), and then let people set the standard themselves. It's so they dont look like idiots if the cars never quite meet those estimates in the real world. Fastest production car in the world. Sure hope it beats all comers in all tests from now on, otherwise the claim is easily called into question. The certification was nothing more than one data point, no more or less valid than any other test result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.0THIS View Post
    You're right, it doesnt usually matter. With the Demon though, Dodge just had to go get a "certification" that actually certified that their car was so fast. There's a reason why other manufacturers simply offer estimates (usually conservative), and then let people set the standard themselves. It's so they dont look like idiots if the cars never quite meet those estimates in the real world. Fastest production car in the world. Sure hope it beats all comers in all tests from now on, otherwise the claim is easily called into question. The certification was nothing more than one data point, no more or less valid than any other test result.
    It's not the FASTEST production car in the world. It's the QUICKEST. No doubt when someone can provide proof (even an NHRA certificate) that is faster than 9.65, the Demon will not longer be considered the quickest.

    The certificate was just one data point, it was also a HUGE selling point.

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