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    Az immigration law already under fire

    I'm glad they finally put a law into effect, but, wasnt being in the country illegally already a crime?

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    PHOENIX – Civil rights advocates vowed Saturday to challenge Arizona's tough new law targeting illegal immigration, saying it will lead to racial profiling of Hispanics despite the governor's assurance abuses won't be tolerated.

    Republican Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed into law a bill that supporters said would take handcuffs off police in dealing with illegal immigration in Arizona, the nation's busiest gateway for human and drug smuggling from Mexico and home to an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants.

    The law requires police to question people about their immigration status — including asking for identification — if they suspect someone is in the country illegally. It's sparked fears among legal immigrants and U.S. citizens that they'll be hassled by police just because they look Hispanic.

    Opponents of the law lingered at the state Capitol Saturday morning. Others gathered in Tucson outside the campaign headquarters of U.S. Rep. Raul Grijalva, a Democrat who this week called on businesses and groups looking for convention and meeting locations to boycott Arizona. Grijalva said his staff was flooded with phone calls this week, some from people threatening violent acts and shouting racial slurs.

    The American Immigration Lawyers Association announced it would move its September conference from Scottsdale, Ariz., to another state.

    Hundreds of protesters gathered outside the state Capitol Friday shouting that the bill would lead to civil rights abuses. But Brewer said critics were "overreacting."

    "We in Arizona have been more than patient waiting for Washington to act," Brewer said after signing the law. "But decades of inaction and misguided policy have created a dangerous and unacceptable situation."

    Earlier Friday, President Barack Obama called the Arizona bill "misguided" and instructed the Justice Department to examine it to see if it's legal. He also said the federal government must enact immigration reform at the national level — or leave the door open to "irresponsibility by others."

    "That includes, for example, the recent efforts in Arizona, which threaten to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans, as well as the trust between police and their communities that is so crucial to keeping us safe," Obama said.

    Current law in Arizona and most states doesn't require police to ask about the immigration status of those they encounter, and many police departments prohibit officers from inquiring out of fear immigrants won't cooperate in other investigations.

    The new law makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. Immigrants unable to produce documents showing they are allowed to be in the U.S. could be arrested, jailed for up to six months and fined $2,500.

    It also allows lawsuits against government agencies that hinder enforcement of immigration laws and toughens restrictions on hiring illegal immigrants for day labor and knowingly transporting them.

    The Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund said it plans a legal challenge to the law, which it said "launches Arizona into a spiral of pervasive fear, community distrust, increased crime and costly litigation, with nationwide repercussions."

    William Sanchez, president of the National Coalition of Latino Clergy and Christian Leaders Legal Defense Fund, said his group is preparing a federal lawsuit against Arizona to stop the law from being applied. The group represents 30,000 Evangelical churches nationwide, including 300 Latino pastors in Arizona.

    "Millions of Latinos around the country are shocked," Sanchez said.

    Brewer ordered the state's law enforcement licensing agency to develop a training course on how to implement it without violating civil rights. The bill will take effect in late July or early August, depending on when the current legislative session ends.

    "We must enforce the law evenly, and without regard to skin color, accent, or social status," she said. "We must prove the alarmists and the cynics wrong."

    Many of the demonstrators at the Capitol complex booed when Maricopa County Supervisor Mary Rose Wilcox announced that "the governor did not listen to our prayers."

    "It's going to change our lives," said Emilio Almodovar, a 13-year-old American citizen from Phoenix. "We can't walk to school any more. We can't be in the streets anymore without the pigs thinking we're illegal immigrants."

    Mexico warned the proposal could affect cross-border relations, with Foreign Secretary Patricia Espinosa saying her country would have to "consider whether the cooperation agreements that have been developed with Arizona are viable and useful."

    Francisco Loureiro, a pro-migrant activist who runs a migrant shelter in Nogales, Mexico, called the new law "racist" and said it would lead to more police abuse of migrants.

    "Police in Arizona already treat migrants worse than animals," he said. "There is already a hunt for migrants and now it will be open season under the cover of a law."

    Loureiro said about 250 deported migrants have been arriving at his shelter every night and that most tell him they were detained by police.

    On Thursday, Mexico's Senate unanimously passed a resolution urging Brewer to veto the law

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    It seems to me, that if the police were to go down to one of these large scale events, alot of hispanics would be hauled off to jail for being in the country illegally..
    couple key points-

    "The new law makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. Immigrants unable to produce documents showing they are allowed to be in the U.S. could be arrested, jailed for up to six months and fined $2,500".---Doesnt solve the problem and wastes our tax money housing them if they're here illegally. They should just deport them if they can't produce papers, or have someone produce papers for them within a certain amount of time.

    "Millions of Latinos around the country are shocked," - Most likely all the illegals are the ones shocked. The ones paying taxes should be happy

    ""It's going to change our lives," said Emilio Almodovar, a 13-year-old American citizen from Phoenix. "We can't walk to school any more. We can't be in the streets anymore without the pigs thinking we're illegal immigrants."-- real nice view from a 13 yr old who was probably born here from illegals. Once again, he should be happy the police will be doing their job so that later on he can say his tax money went to something good.

    "Loureiro said about 250 deported migrants have been arriving at his shelter every night and that most tell him they were detained by police"--good, that means the police have been doing their job

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramairgod84 View Post
    It seems to me, that if the police were to go down to one of these large scale events, alot of hispanics would be hauled off to jail for being in the country illegally..
    couple key points-

    "The new law makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. Immigrants unable to produce documents showing they are allowed to be in the U.S. could be arrested, jailed for up to six months and fined $2,500".---Doesnt solve the problem and wastes our tax money housing them if they're here illegally. They should just deport them if they can't produce papers, or have someone produce papers for them within a certain amount of time.
    Immediate deportation has taught them what? Ok, let's do it again, all they're gunna do is deport us. To them, it would most likely be thought of as a game getting deported, and then attempting to come all the way back to their destination without getting caught

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramairgod84 View Post
    "Millions of Latinos around the country are shocked," - Most likely all the illegals are the ones shocked. The ones paying taxes should be happy
    I know more than a handful of legal and illegal Latinos. They're all somehow connected, whether it be by family or friends of the family. To them, legal status doesn't mean a whole lot. I know an illegal that has a mortgage, car payment (only 1 out of 2 that he owns), and lives day-to-day life no different than any other American.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramairgod84 View Post
    "It's going to change our lives," said Emilio Almodovar, a 13-year-old American citizen from Phoenix. "We can't walk to school any more. We can't be in the streets anymore without the pigs thinking we're illegal immigrants."-- real nice view from a 13 yr old who was probably born here from illegals. Once again, he should be happy the police will be doing their job so that later on he can say his tax money went to something good.
    It's the kids fault he was born from illegals that were already established in this country??? Seriously, you're implying that he should be happy that his tax money will be contributing to kicking out his illegal parents, persay? Right, wrong, indifferent, whether I agree or not, you need to leave this one alone before you open up a whole new can of worms, my friend!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramairgod84 View Post
    "Loureiro said about 250 deported migrants have been arriving at his shelter every night and that most tell him they were detained by police"--good, that means the police have been doing their job

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramairgod84 View Post
    ""It's going to change our lives," said Emilio Almodovar, a 13-year-old American citizen from Phoenix. "We can't walk to school any more. We can't be in the streets anymore without the pigs thinking we're illegal immigrants."
    lol @ them including this quote as if it carries any weight at all.

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    There's no way law enforcement should ask people if they're in this country legally. That would violate the illegals rights.

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    It's all just a waste of breath really. Here in the northern Virginia/DC area, its like little Mexico. You would even be surprised how many Hispanic Police Officers are in Loudon and Fairfax Counties.

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