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This is a discussion on procharger vs ststurbo within the Forced Induction forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; Originally Posted by CaseyL67 It depends on how much power you want. If you are going to forge your engine ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaseyL67 View Post
    It depends on how much power you want. If you are going to forge your engine which I recommend, you should do that first. All you need is forged pistons and rods. Don't worry about the crank as it can hold past 900hp.

    After you figure that out you can put on a D1 or a turbo kit. Turbos you can get a boost controller and have it set to a low and high boost setting which you can change with the push of a button. But both can yeild good hp gains.

    If it were me, I would forge the engine and get the sts kit with some tips made up and run a 15psi setting and a 8psi setting for street driving. But remember when you get into big horsepower you will need more things such as a clutch, drag radials, bigger fuel system, rear end if you are drag racing etc.. And things break a lot faster with more horsepower!
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    hahaha. I really like the turn the nob idea it's convenient. a new clutch will be my first mod because I don't feel it holds the power I have atleast from a roll in 3rd. (or is it just me not doing it right?) say I rev to like 5 when I'm going like 70mph, then pop the clutch in 3rd, is that the best way to take off in that situation, or is it better to let it get to the right rpms then gun it?

    with the turbo, you can turn the whistle off right? or atleast turn it down. I'd like to burn people without them knowing what I've got.
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    =SSilver2K;421016]Saw your post on svt about the kill. Ha ha! Good kill btw.
    Thanks man. I'm surprised they didn't call BS on that one

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    really?

    I talked to a guy at the drag strip friday and he's got a procharged 98-02 ss with the (((F-1))) kit. I hadn't even heard of that one, but he said he had it. I asked him what he thought about turbos and he said if he would do it all again he'd go turbo because there's too much belt slippage. Can't you just get wider pullys and thicker/ wider belts? any how that car is one of my favs at the track, there's also this tt nova they say he does 3s down the 1/8th I've seen 5's without wheelie bars

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    Once you get to a certain performance level with the s/c belt slippage is an increasing problem.

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    I guess I'll build my engine first along with my tranny, then decide on a turbo. maybe I'll still do headers and a catback then when I get ready for the turbo put the exhaust back to stock then sell the parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7camaro7 View Post
    really?

    I talked to a guy at the drag strip friday and he's got a procharged 98-02 ss with the (((F-1))) kit. I hadn't even heard of that one, but he said he had it. I asked him what he thought about turbos and he said if he would do it all again he'd go turbo because there's too much belt slippage. Can't you just get wider pullys and thicker/ wider belts? any how that car is one of my favs at the track, there's also this tt nova they say he does 3s down the 1/8th I've seen 5's without wheelie bars

    The 8-rib pulley design is very helpful with what you're trying to accomplish if you go with a supercharger

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    I'm leaning towards turbo...but I don't think I'll do it to my stock engine. I'm thinking of just having a new one built the way I want it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FasstChevys View Post
    The 8-rib pulley design is very helpful with what you're trying to accomplish if you go with a supercharger
    why do you say so?

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    I might not know what i am talking about here, but isnt it true that a s/c takes around 40 horsepower just to operate? Therefore you have to run more boost on a supercharger in order to produce the same horsepower as you would produce with less boost from a turbo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7camaro7 View Post
    why do you say so?
    Because the 8-rib set up alleviates the belt slippage problem.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MavrickCJH View Post
    I might not know what i am talking about here, but isnt it true that a s/c takes around 40 horsepower just to operate? Therefore you have to run more boost on a supercharger in order to produce the same horsepower as you would produce with less boost from a turbo?
    I highly doubt it takes 40 horsepower to run a supercharger, but I've been wrong before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FasstChevys View Post
    I highly doubt it takes 40 horsepower to run a supercharger, but I've been wrong before.
    Just a number i have heard before, like i said i dunno how true it is but it definately takes some horse to operate a supercharger as to with a turbo it takes none, jus exhaust gas

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    Quote Originally Posted by MavrickCJH View Post
    Just a number i have heard before, like i said i dunno how true it is but it definately takes some horse to operate a supercharger as to with a turbo it takes none, jus exhaust gas
    It takes about 25-30 hp for every 100 hp gain to spin a supercharger. Don't quote me on this though. As for turbos, you still lose some power especially when out of boost since there is now exhaust backpressure. Supposedly turbos aren't as parisitic off boost as a supercharger. I'm not sure if the turbine housing size will effect this for better or worse. I still don't get why my last procharger setup (p1) had so much better throttle response then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSilver2K View Post
    It takes about 25-30 hp for every 100 hp gain to spin a supercharger. Don't quote me on this though. As for turbos, you still lose some power especially when out of boost since there is now exhaust backpressure. Supposedly turbos aren't as parisitic off boost as a supercharger. I'm not sure if the turbine housing size will effect this for better or worse. I still don't get why my last procharger setup (p1) had so much better throttle response then?
    With my application, my supercharger has gained me just about 200 hp.....so, you're saying it's using 50-60 more horsepower? In essence, actually a 250 hp gain, but 50-60 of it being used to spin it?

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    go to this website and request a catalog, they will send you tons of info!

    http://www.procharger.com/



    There are a few different levels of Prochargers, increasing HP anywhere from another 60-80% to 2000+hp all out race applications.


    Yes the STS can make power, but they suck. I know two people with them that wish they never bought them. The filters are always filthy, the turbo is always dirty.

    Also the turbo and piping are covered in rock nicks/chips.

    Plus since you can see the turbo, the are worried that some ricer might walk by and steal it off their car. It wouldnt be tough to do!

    If you want to do a turbo set up, do it right and keep it under the hood.
    The attached pic is the only way you should do a turbo. SAFE and UNDER THE HOOD.

    However the install on the pics, cost lots of cash, so go procharger, very dependable and very fast!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FasstChevys View Post
    The 8-rib pulley design is very helpful with what you're trying to accomplish if you go with a supercharger
    I run the SDCE tensioner and it prevents slip.
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    or to prevent slipping you can also go big, and switch to a cog setup

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibanez7 View Post
    or to prevent slipping you can also go big, and switch to a cog setup
    You sure can, but for every day street use it's not that great of a choice since you definitely have to change your belt much more often. If it was for a race car, I'd go cog too.

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    Is there still a problem with pinning the lower pulley...I remember when I was thinking of a D-1 for my LS1 car that it was an on going problem once you started to push bigger boost levels.

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