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general questions about a procharger

This is a discussion on general questions about a procharger within the Forced Induction forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; see this is what i wanted to hear. I plan on forging just the internals so it would probably be ...

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    see this is what i wanted to hear. I plan on forging just the internals so it would probably be best that i run 8 psi. As far as traction goes ed or packy-if i floor the car doing 60 mph on the highway with my 3.23 gears and i have umi lower control arms with relo brackets,umi drag sway bar,umi Adj torque arm,umi adj panhard bar,umi subframes, and koni 4/4's with some BFG kdw's will i break them loose or just chirp them. Because i dont want to lose control and wreck the car. Also can u drive them through a car wash or should i stay away from those too? Do u have to change the oil on the blower?

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    I have been told you have to change it once it hits the first 500 miles, then every 5000 miles after that. I might be anal, but I would change it every 3k when I have to do the motor. I dont think it could hurt
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    yea i change my oil every 3000 which is like every 5 months cuz i rarely drive the damn thing so that wouldnt be an issue. I really wanna know about the car wash and the traction issues while flooring it on the highway though

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpopham22 View Post
    yea i change my oil every 3000 which is like every 5 months cuz i rarely drive the damn thing so that wouldnt be an issue. I really wanna know about the car wash and the traction issues while flooring it on the highway though
    I would be more worried about clearance issues as opposed to water when I take it to get washed.

    Edit: Dude those 3.23's are really holding you back. LOL you have no idea what your missing. When you get the 9"/12 bolt, dont go any less than 3.73.

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    nah i clear everything here just fine, but then again i havent put on my stranos or konis or any of that stuff either. as far as 3.73 thats what i was leaning towards but when the motor gets blown, i dont wanna have to worry about traction loss on the highway because i floored it

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpopham22 View Post
    see this is what i wanted to hear. I plan on forging just the internals so it would probably be best that i run 8 psi. As far as traction goes ed or packy-if i floor the car doing 60 mph on the highway with my 3.23 gears and i have umi lower control arms with relo brackets,umi drag sway bar,umi Adj torque arm,umi adj panhard bar,umi subframes, and koni 4/4's with some BFG kdw's will i break them loose or just chirp them. Because i dont want to lose control and wreck the car. Also can u drive them through a car wash or should i stay away from those too? Do u have to change the oil on the blower?
    With a Procharger at 8psi you will have to run Drag Radials or some really good good radial tires to not have traction issues. At 60mph you may get chirp to a mild spin depending on the Stall to Torque Ratio (STR) of the converter you pick. Yes you have to change the oil out in the blower but I think it lasts for like 10,000 miles or something like that. I do mine every year because my car doesn't see but 3,000 miles per year if its lucky. No worries about a the drive through car wash unless it flood higher than your door jamb.

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    3.73's would be perfect maybe even a 3.54's for an A4.

    Your engine builder will give you instructions on the motor but usually break in with regular oil for 500 miles and then run regular or a synthetic blend til the first 3,500 miles then whatever you want. I still use regular oil in my TA though because I change it more often than i should and only pay $25 for every oil change vice $60. I use regular Pennzoil or Mobil 1 oil usually with a AC Delco filter.
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    I would run 3.73's if you dont want a big stall.

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    well i wanted to go with the 3.73's with my 12 bolt but i dont want to have traction issues with the lower gears, i was even thinking of going to 2.73 to avoid a spinout at 65 mph

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    With the kind of power you want to make, you will have a little traction problem no matter what. Why the hell would you want 2.73's???

    LOL dude if you are worried about traction and low end power and dont want to bother with a stall,gears,etc... I would throw on a Harris Speed Works kit and be done with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpopham22 View Post
    well i wanted to go with the 3.73's with my 12 bolt but i dont want to have traction issues with the lower gears, i was even thinking of going to 2.73 to avoid a spinout at 65 mph
    I still run a 3.73 gear in my TA with a big stall. You will not spinout unless you try and hit it in the rain.

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    What's your thoughts on a 4.11 gear with a Procharger with an otherwise stock engine? Car is M6 obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 35th-ANV-SS View Post
    What's your thoughts on a 4.11 gear with a Procharger with an otherwise stock engine? Car is M6 obviously.
    It is ok but if you want to go to the track then you will need taller tires or else you may run out of gear at the big-end. I would stay with 3.73's myself. I ran my car with 3.73's when it was six speed and it had good power band and still got excellent gas mileage!

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