Can they take our guns?

**Firebirdjones** · 01-24-2013, 07:11 AM

Here's an interesting video. I have a couple friends in Australia that I talk to a couple times a week. They have some real insight on how bad it is, and this video is a real eye opener too. Thought I'd share.

https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=fGaDAThOHhA

**024mula** · 01-24-2013, 07:40 AM

I hope and pray that we will learn from their mistakes.

**Zinergy** · 01-24-2013, 07:41 AM

They can try and it is very possible they could be successful but not without changing the country entirely. Not without killing its own citizens to take away a right that government is forbidden to infringe upon. The entire political structure of the country would change if something like that happened I believe.

**Firebirdjones** · 01-24-2013, 10:54 AM

Sure is an eye opener. I found it interesting in the video about how the percentage of murder, home invasion, etc..all went up after the guns were taken away.

I'll have to talk to my buddies and see if they have any insight as to how that all exactly happened. If it was overnight or over a long period of time and it just snuck up on them.

I've always felt this country is heading to that. They keep pecking away at it, little by little, and they probably won't stop until they have everything. Just as they hinted in the video where one fellow says "watch out America, this will happen to you in another 10 years" Almost as if they didn't see it coming.

**slims00ls1z28** · 01-24-2013, 11:13 AM

It "could" but I don't think that it will.

We have the 2nd amendment. Reguardless of what the try to take or how they try to whittle it down they can't repeal it. I thikn it's strong enough with some support it will last.

The gun industry is centered in America and there are plenty of politicians to support it. Austrailia imported everything so there was no lobbying power, the NRA and the firearm industry is pretty powerful.

I definately hope not but don't think theres a serious threat of that happening any time soon.

**Firebirdjones** · 01-24-2013, 02:19 PM

They giveth, and then they taketh away

Just like the video mentioned. I'm not completely comfortable that our 2nd amendment is a save all.

**024mula** · 01-24-2013, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Firebirdjones

Sure is an eye opener. I found it interesting in the video about how the percentage of murder, home invasion, etc..all went up after the guns were taken away.

The thieves know theres is nothing to fear, the homeowner (honest people) doesn't have any guns to protect themselfs.

Originally Posted by Firebirdjones

They giveth, and then they taketh away

Just like the video mentioned. I'm not completely comfortable that our 2nd amendment is a save all.

X2

**35th-ANV-SS** · 01-24-2013, 03:33 PM

So if this happens all you have to do is become a criminal and buy guns illegally. Makes sense.

**wileyCoyote** · 01-24-2013, 04:16 PM

if they outlaw guns, ...i become an outlaw...

**024mula** · 01-25-2013, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by wileyCoyote

if they outlaw guns, ...i become an outlaw...

Alot of people will.

**Firebirdjones** · 01-25-2013, 07:02 AM

On the news this morning, Sherriff Babue down in Pima County said he isn't obiding by the new laws that Obama is trying to put in place by executive order. He said he isn't going to inforce what isn't on the books here.

Gotta love AZ. He sent a letter to Obama stating that more people have died from impared driving than they have from guns, and this is a statistic that's been true since the existance of man (or car). So is Obama going to take away the cars too? Great argument but don't know if it's going to stick. But it appears for the time being, AZ isn't going to follow these new gun laws that are put in place by executive order. Passing through congress and voting on it is another matter though. Don't think there is enough support for that to get something like this through at this point.

What's more interesting is that AZ is now putting in place another SB set of laws for guns that is seperate of what the government wants (similar to our SB1070 imigration laws that got so much national attention

) Not only that, but 11 other states have (or are in the process) of doing the same thing. Basically ignoring what Obama wants.

Sounds like it's going to get messy.

**wileyCoyote** · 01-25-2013, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Firebirdjones

On the news this morning, Sherriff Babue down in Pima County said he isn't obiding by the new laws that Obama is trying to put in place by executive order. He said he isn't going to inforce what isn't on the books here.

Gotta love AZ. He sent a letter to Obama stating that more people have died from impared driving than they have from guns, and this is a statistic that's been true since the existance of man (or car). So is Obama going to take away the cars too? Great argument but don't know if it's going to stick. But it appears for the time being, AZ isn't going to follow these new gun laws that are put in place by executive order. Passing through congress and voting on it is another matter though. Don't think there is enough support for that to get something like this through at this point.

What's more interesting is that AZ is now putting in place another SB set of laws for guns that is seperate of what the government wants (similar to our SB1070 imigration laws that got so much national attention

) Not only that, but 11 other states have (or are in the process) of doing the same thing. Basically ignoring what Obama wants.

Sounds like it's going to get messy.

yep, ..a lot of other sheriffs have as well, ..even the utah sherriffs assoc. sent a letter to hussein telling him to pound sand...

...we don't compromise w/ tyrants, ...plain and simple...

**az gt eater** · 01-25-2013, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Firebirdjones

On the news this morning, Sherriff Babue down in Pima County said he isn't obiding by the new laws that Obama is trying to put in place by executive order. He said he isn't going to inforce what isn't on the books here.

Gotta love AZ. He sent a letter to Obama stating that more people have died from impared driving than they have from guns, and this is a statistic that's been true since the existance of man (or car). So is Obama going to take away the cars too? Great argument but don't know if it's going to stick. But it appears for the time being, AZ isn't going to follow these new gun laws that are put in place by executive order. Passing through congress and voting on it is another matter though. Don't think there is enough support for that to get something like this through at this point.

What's more interesting is that AZ is now putting in place another SB set of laws for guns that is seperate of what the government wants (similar to our SB1070 imigration laws that got so much national attention

) Not only that, but 11 other states have (or are in the process) of doing the same thing. Basically ignoring what Obama wants.

Sounds like it's going to get messy.

I had a feeling AZ was going to thumb their noses at the feds. We just passed a whole slew of gun laws. Arm the people. They WILL react when it is needed.

**Firebirdjones** · 01-25-2013, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by az gt eater

I had a feeling AZ was going to thumb their noses at the feds. We just passed a whole slew of gun laws. Arm the people. They WILL react when it is needed.

May as well, 11 other states did the same. Unfortunately that's only about 1/5th of the nation. Wish more would do it.

**wileyCoyote** · 01-25-2013, 05:37 PM

Gun Owners Refuse to Register Under New York Law

**az gt eater** · 01-25-2013, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by wileyCoyote

Gun Owners Refuse to Register Under New York Law

Well, that is good news when even one of the most antigun states in the union is only requiring registration. I know, registration is only a beginning, but they have shown how weak their hand is by not going for an outright ban.

**wileyCoyote** · 01-25-2013, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by az gt eater

Well, that is good news when even one of the most antigun states in the union is only requiring registration. I know, registration is only a beginning, but they have shown how weak their hand is by not going for an outright ban.

...you do know they OUTLAWED "possession" of all magazines over 7rnd capacity, right?... how do you find a pistol magazine w/ that low of capacity?... you can't... it's a draconian law...

**az gt eater** · 01-25-2013, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Firebirdjones

May as well, 11 other states did the same. Unfortunately that's only about 1/5th of the nation. Wish more would do it.

I know, I saw where soem states were passing more laws designed to refuce restrictions even while the "news" was calling for and predicting an outright ban. I saw a census for 2011, and hunting was a 34 billion dollar industry. That even beat out McD's at 27 billion. The averahe person is so clueless. My fiance told me that they should ban full autos. I informed her as to the class 3 liscense. She also said they should ban 100 round mags. I informed her as to how the 100 round drums are so inconsistent in feeding. The general public is so lost. I remeber coming out of Cabelas one day,the old couple in front of me were discussing how terrible it was that we were allowed to hunt big horn sheep. I politely informed them that the liscensing fees paid for their habitat and monitoring. And, the chance of getting drawn assured that the coffers were always overflowing. I think they finally got it. Teddy Roosevelt lives in us all.

**az gt eater** · 01-25-2013, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by wileyCoyote

...you do know they OUTLAWED "possession" of all magazines over 7rnd capacity, right?... how do you find a pistol magazine w/ that low of capacity?... you can't... it's a draconian law...

Yeah, I remembered that I had forgotten to mention that.