Vig 3200

[articz28]

I just a Vig 3200. Anyone had experiance with one.
I was needing to know if I will need a tune or not to make car shift and run right.
I have 3:73's and lid, headers, crapmaster and TSP mail order tune.
Thanks.

[oneBADDz]

Yeah you should tune it. TSP gives big discounts for mods to the tune if you used them for the first tune

[articz28]

thanks man. Will proably try to make a 11 hour drive sometime in the spring then.

[oneBADDz]

Where are you from? I live in Lubbock, about 3 miles from TSP

[articz28]

I am from northeast AR. Little town named Pocahontas. Our closest city with a mall is Jonesboro which is an hour from here. Oh yeah I still live 2 miles down a gravel road. Sucks.

[BBATCAR]

Not to hijack this thread, but I have a question. Does a 2800-3000 stall have to have a "tune"? I thought these stalls were just installed and ready to run?

If you know, please let me know:shots:

[nhraformula]

the vig 3200 truthfully stalls up to 3600. its a good converter outside of the fact it feels alittle lose to me. a good friend of mine has the vig 3200 in his SS

[mrr23]

no. you do not need to tune for a converter.

[Hurley711]

the vig 3200 truthfully stalls up to 3600. its a good converter outside of the fact it feels alittle lose to me. a good friend of mine has the vig 3200 in his SS


What do you mean by the term loose? It's not comprehending in my pea brain what that means.:dunno:

[mrr23]

loose meaning you have to give the car more pedal to get moving. stock covnerter, you barely touch the pedal and off you go. with a higher stall comverter, it takes more pedal input to move the car. this is due to the design of the converter to stall higher. once you get to where the stall rating is at. it starts to revert back to a 1:1 coupling.

for instance: a converter with a 2.4:1 STR ( Stall Turn Ratio). the converter exterior will turn 2.4:1 times while the stator inside the converter the input shaft attaches to turns once. once you get to the stall rating and the car is moving, this ratio starts to decrease.

best explaination i can give you.

[mrr23]

from Yank's site

A higher stall converter will be "looser" than a stock converter. Looseness refers to the fact that the converter slips the engine into a higher rpm. The use of higher rpms helps provide greater torque during full throttle acceleration, but it also causes the engine to use higher rpms at part throttle too.

Looseness is mostly a perception issue. Because the car uses higher rpms, the exhaust note is more pronounced. Cars with loud aftermarket exhausts will definitely notice the increase in exhaust volume, while cars with quiet systems will notice only a small change. Looseness can reduce the feeling of snappy part throttle acceleration. This sensation is primarily due to the fact that a larger throttle input is required. Most people adjust quickly to a looser converter. If you are unsure of whether looseness will be a concern, consider test driving a friend's car before buying a converter.

[Hurley711]

Thanks guys

[mrr23]

no problem. that's what we are here for. well, that and raising our post counts. :p

[Hurley711]

no problem. that's what we are here for. well, that and raising our post counts. :p


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[Hurley711]

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[Hurley711]

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[Hurley711]

talking about?

[mrr23]

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[mrr23]

whoring

[mrr23]

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[nhraformula]

no. you do not need to tune for a converter.
that is misleading. some cars need to delete tq mgmt.
also you may wanna up line pressure, change shift points and such.

[nhraformula]

What do you mean by the term loose? It's not comprehending in my pea brain what that means.:dunno:


its kinda like pulling a boat. you have to give it more gas to get moving.
i have a 2.2 1 str and my car feels like stock in terms of gassing it.

[mrr23]

that is misleading. some cars need to delete tq mgmt.
also you may wanna up line pressure, change shift points and such.


ok. how's this, you don't HAVE to tune for a converter.

or, it depends.

or, maybe.

[oneBADDz]

ok. how's this, you don't HAVE to tune for a converter.

or, it depends.

or, maybe.
How's this, you don't HAVE to run better than 86 octane, but. . .
maybe you should?

Not trying to be a jerk, just an example

[mrr23]

well, if we are going to get all specific.... we don't need to modify our vehicles, but we do.

like i said, just because you put a converter in, doesn't mean you need to.

not saying you shouldn't . just don't have to.

would it be beneficial if you do? sure. even stock it would be beneficial. just don't need to.

[mrr23]

after reading his post again, BBATCAR did ask do you HAVE to. i should have replied no, you do not HAVE to. my mistake.

[oneBADDz]

Dont' take me the wrong way, I mean no offence I promise

[nhraformula]

ok. how's this, you don't HAVE to tune for a converter.

or, it depends.

or, maybe.
just like you dont have to dyno tune for a cam right?:dunno:

[nhraformula]

after reading his post again, BBATCAR did ask do you HAVE to. i should have replied no, you do not HAVE to. my mistake.

all the chicagoland tuners want to /suggest changing the stock computer settings.

[1fastcamarosss11]

wow, i'm out.:yup:

[2001NBMZ28]

I have the Vig 3200 (a 2K model) - it does stall closer to 3600. I had TM deleted, line pressure raised, in gear idle bumped up cause of idle "hunting" at low speeds and coming to a stop, played with shift points a little. Car ran OK but it's much better now.

[mrr23]

Dont' take me the wrong way, I mean no offence I promise

none taken

[mrr23]

well maybe somebody should get there head out of vinci ass and check out what some other speed shops do to ls1 cars.
all the chicagoland tuners want to /suggest changing the stock computer settings.


well, i was wondering who would be the first to mention me in vinci's ass. why not bassani's ass, or yank's ass, or ny-trex's ass? did i say vinci says you don't have/need to? don't know where you extrapolated that from? if you want to know what they think about it, then ask them. don't assume what i say is what someone else says.

to think "I" put a yank py3400e in MY black 00 formula. did no changes to the stock PCM and drive it everyday.

now, again, his question was, do you HAVE to do tuning when you put a converter in. answer is NO, you do not HAVE to. do tuners want to/ suggest changing the stock computer settings? don't know, i don't work for tuners. last i checked, i work for myself.

now, do you want to keep going at this????

[mrr23]

just like you dont have to dyno tune for a cam right?:dunno:

completely different scenario. because a cam changes the air/fuel requirements. many have run around without tuning for a cam. so, bad example on your part.

[BBATCAR]

Thanks all now I am more confused then ever:lol:
Just kidding, I get it. It should be OK without a tune, but may run better with some "tuning" of shifts, etc. I am going with a 2800 or 3000 max because I really don't like the feel of a loose converter but like the launch... I'm just trying to figure out the best lower stall set up with the tightest feel.

Thanks all....

[nhraformula]

Thanks all now I am more confused then ever:lol:
Just kidding, I get it. It should be OK without a tune, but may run better with some "tuning" of shifts, etc. I am going with a 2800 or 3000 max because I really don't like the feel of a loose converter but like the launch... I'm just trying to figure out the best lower stall set up with the tightest feel.

Thanks all....

anything more or less under a 2.0 str will be lose.
my 2.2 1 is tight, you dont have to pedal it hard at all to get it moving.