Raced a 3000GT VR-4 TT

[95camaroZNC]

I was on my way down to the local hang out with the people ive been hanging out lately when i pulled up behind this 3000GT with a custom spoiler and insert that said GTO and i chuckled and caught up to him at the next light.

So he looks over and revs and i sit there and roll up the window, when the light turns green he guns it and so do i, i get from 1st to 2nd and we are next and neck i shift from 2nd to 3rd and start pulling away by the time i get to 4th ive got about 2 cars on him. After that i came off the gas and put it in 5th and let the car slow it self back down to the speed limit. It ended up we were both going to the same place so i talked to them about the car he said he was running a twin turbo set up and had just got done rebuilding the engine two weeks earlier and was running 18 psi.

Pretty cool guy but i did waste him :kick: he was kind of surprised he lost by so much. Shows you what :flex: can do.

Ive got a cam,headers,full exhaust,CAI, and a light weight fly wheel.

[JwMonE99]

Nice, how much HP and TQ you pushing down?

[c5z28]

a twin turbo beat by an lt1 ouch what a waste of money. So the car was a true vr-4 or was it just fwd with turbo's?

[95camaroZNC]

VR-4 with AWD.

Ive been told i should be close to 360bhp 375bhp, ive only had the car for 2 months and im going to a car show Saturday so im missing a dyno day here in Raleigh.

[c5z28]

360 at the crank not at the wheels right? what size cam are you running?

[95camaroZNC]

Have no idea, the cars been this way since i bought it, when i bought it 2 months ago all this had already been done to it, except the fly wheel, i had that put in when i had the clutch replaced. The guy who worked on my car told me what it had and told me about how much HP he thought it would make with what had been done to it. He drag races Motor Cycles and has a El Camino Drag car.

[4tun8]

Heavy pigs the VR4........They look awesome though.

[4tun8]

Have no idea, the cars been this way since i bought it, when i bought it 2 months ago all this had already been done to it, except the fly wheel, i had that put in when i had the clutch replaced. The guy who worked on my car told me what it had and told me about how much HP he thought it would make with what had been done to it. He drag races Motor Cycles and has a El Camino Drag car.

BTW careful claiming numbers. Dyno's are relative and just a tool, and most of them do not read relative to each other. That said, altitude, temperature and humidity play a large role in dyno numbers.

[AudibleSilence]

a twin turbo beat by an lt1 ouch what a waste of money. So the car was a true vr-4 or was it just fwd with turbo's?

http://www.3si.org/forum/f8/10-1-vr4-vs-94-lt1-camaro-434232/#post5032220

Interesting read :) BTW the car is a true VR4 running 10:1 compression w/ 13g turbos @ 13psi.... I'd love to see these guys race with the VR4 actually launching and running 1 bar :)

Heavy pigs the VR4........They look awesome though.

:bomb: sigh...they weigh about the same as most of the cars in their period. 300lbs more than the MKIV and Skyline..beat both stock for stock in the Japanese import battles.

[slikws6]

Has anyone ran up on one of these.
They are suppose to have about 20 more hp than stock?

[deathsled]

Ben, I hate to rain on your parade here, but me pulling ahead of you in every gear (not by much, I was only inching away honestly) does not translate in to you putting two cars on me ;) You even told me when we pulled over that what I saw was "1st, 2nd, and part of 3rd". Now you're magically 2 cars ahead of me and in 4th.

Hate to call you out like this, unless I just completely misunderstood what went down ;)

I'm also running 13psi (factory is 12 :P)

[02WS6dream]

Has anyone ran up on one of these.
They are suppose to have about 20 more hp than stock?

Hi! Be careful when listening to all the hype ppl tend to stir up over less common packages they know nothing about... whether its a california special or SS or WS6. When I had my WS6 i would get guys/gals make rediculous comments about how much faster it was than other t/a's; its the "one" with 'the 'vette motor''...etc... Hasn't happened with the c/s as much, its less noticeable than the WS6 was.. I loved the look of the WS6; had always wanted it; and that's why i got one. I bought my cali special new in March; not because i'd always wanted one, but it did stand out from the rest of the GT mustangs you see everyday. The only performance enhancement listed on the package is 'larger air intake'; which didn't even get listed under the package on the sticker. Haven't compared it to a non-c/s gt but the air box doesn't look out of the ordinary at all... The rest of the package is purely cosmetic, just like most packages like this. Side scoops, 18" unique wheels, Unique front and rear facia, unique 2 tone leather interior color scheme, exhaust tips, and the side stripes. Rated HP is exactly the same as other GTs--300 and 320 tq. So--if you can outrun a GT, you can beat a gt/cs--its just a prettier gt!

[JHayesLS1]

http://www.3si.org/forum/f8/10-1-vr4-vs-94-lt1-camaro-434232/#post5032220

Interesting read :) BTW the car is a true VR4 running 10:1 compression w/ 13g turbos @ 13psi.... I'd love to see these guys race with the VR4 actually launching and running 1 bar :)



:bomb: sigh...they weigh about the same as most of the cars in their period. 300lbs more than the MKIV and Skyline..beat both stock for stock in the Japanese import battles.

I demand pics of your VR-4 or BAN!!

[JHayesLS1]

Ben, I hate to rain on your parade here, but me pulling ahead of you in every gear (not by much, I was only inching away honestly) does not translate in to you putting two cars on me ;) You even told me when we pulled over that what I saw was "1st, 2nd, and part of 3rd". Now you're magically 2 cars ahead of me and in 4th.

Hate to call you out like this, unless I just completely misunderstood what went down ;)

I'm also running 13psi (factory is 12 :P)

Same with you. Pics or ban.

Sorry I love the cars. And that was a real nice race! I would love to see it cranked up to 18 psi :love:

[deathsled]

Same with you. Pics or ban.

Sorry I love the cars. And that was a real nice race! I would love to see it cranked up to 18 psi :love:

ask and ye shall receive:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j171/deathsled/beepbeeps.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j171/deathsled/photo1.jpg

[AudibleSilence]

I demand pics of your VR-4 or BAN!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/AudibleSilence/Da97/stockified/GEDC0626.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/AudibleSilence/Da97/stockified/GEDC0634.jpg

Fresh from the paint shop, hence the missing turn signals :)

[02WS6dream]

ask and ye shall receive:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j171/deathsled/beepbeeps.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j171/deathsled/photo1.jpg

Always liked those cars--and you've got a great lookin' one! Where in NC are ya; my fam is in Charlotte and High Point. I'll be in Charlotte in about a week; sister gets married on the 4th.

[deathsled]

Always liked those cars--and you've got a great lookin' one! Where in NC are ya; my fam is in Charlotte and High Point. I'll be in Charlotte in about a week; sister gets married on the 4th.

I'm in Raleigh. My whole family is from the Winston-Salem area originally.

[Wesman]

Nice kill. 3000GT VR4's are dogs considering how much they cost brand new, most stock ones I've seen run low 14's. Between the heavy weight (almost 3800lbs) and the AWD system sucking up all the power, they just aren't fast.

[wooddaniel]

Heavy pigs the VR4........They look awesome though.
I used to have an 88 Starion Turbo. I got rid of it and bought a stealth TT. The stealth was not as much fun to drive cause it was so big and heavy feeling. The starion was fun as hell but the 3000GT(stealth) did look a lot better

[deathsled]

Nice kill. 3000GT VR4's are dogs considering how much they cost brand new, most stock ones I've seen run low 14's. Between the heavy weight (almost 3800lbs) and the AWD system sucking up all the power, they just aren't fast.

if only it had been a kill. His whole story is pretty much told from MY point of view......right on down to the revving. He revved at me, I just sat there and smiled. I let HIM floor it first, and *I* am the one that pulled ahead ;)

If he got two lengths I guess it was after I shut down.

The fastest 100% stock stealth/3000gt that I've seen ran a 13.1. My mother's high mileage bone stock vr4 (yes she has a yellow one) runs 13.9 whenever I take it to the track.

[AudibleSilence]

Nice kill.

He lost...he passed DS when DS shut down....domestic flyby.

3000GT VR4's are dogs considering how much they cost brand new

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/AudibleSilence/3si%20and%20GTOUK%20Hosting/Smilies/2q2pxyh.gif

They haven't been new for 17 years.....


most stock ones I've seen run low 14's.

Most I know run 13's with decent driving w/ a boost controller.

Between the heavy weight (almost 3800lbs) and the AWD system sucking up all the power

24-27% drivetrain loss which is about the same on most full-time awd vehicles... All of the power?

they just aren't fast.

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[Wesman]

They haven't been new for 17 years.....

No kidding. It was a $44,000 car brand new back in '99. Which, by the way, isn't 17 years.

[Wesman]

if only it had been a kill. His whole story is pretty much told from MY point of view......right on down to the revving. He revved at me, I just sat there and smiled. I let HIM floor it first, and *I* am the one that pulled ahead ;)

If he got two lengths I guess it was after I shut down.

The fastest 100% stock stealth/3000gt that I've seen ran a 13.1. My mother's high mileage bone stock vr4 (yes she has a yellow one) runs 13.9 whenever I take it to the track.

And what does your car run at the track?? Sounds like you're just upset that you got beat, so you're coming into the LS1 forum to deny the charges.

[AudibleSilence]

No kidding. It was a $44,000 car brand new back in '99. Which, by the way, isn't 17 years.

Who the frack has a 99? Ohhhhhh I get it, you looked up the info on Edmunds.com and now consider yourself an authority....


And considering that cars coming stock with 400hp+ are a relatively new trend (speaking of commonality), 300/320hp cars where incredible back in the 90's.


And what does your car run at the track?? Sounds like you're just upset that you got beat, so you're coming into the LS1 forum to deny the charges.

I think they should just run again and get it on tape. Since DS is willing to run again (he even suggested it), I tend to believe him over a guy that just got his car.

[Wesman]

He lost...he passed DS when DS shut down....domestic flyby.

Were you there?? Did you personally see this happen?? No, so stop pretending you know what happened. I highly doubt there was any "domestic flybys", you need to find a new hobby other than trolling the kills section on the LS1.com.

I think they should just run again and get it on tape. Since DS is willing to run again (he even suggested it), I tend to believe him over a guy that just got his car

Are you kidding...he just joined the forum to object to this kill story. I don't believe him about anything, all he's doing is trolling.

[AudibleSilence]

Were you there?? Did you personally see this happen?? No, so stop pretending you know what happened. I highly doubt there was any "domestic flybys", you need to find a new hobby other than trolling the kills section on the LS1.com to support your precious 3000GT.

If I'm trolling, then you're nut swinging...HARD.

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For you to declare that the 3/s is slow having only "seen" a few 14 second run proves your ignorance. Like I said from jump, they need to just race again and get it on film..simple solution, no drama, no bullsh*t. You can stop fighting for your boyfriend's honor now...


Are you kidding...he just joined the forum to object to this kill story. I don't believe him about anything, all he's doing is trolling.

He has every right to call out someone that may or may not be lying about a kill involving his car, anyone would. Your opinion doesn't matter any more than mine here really. Just hush already, let them race again and make your judgment from that.

[c5z28]

oh-boy:Popcorn:

[Wesman]

If I'm trolling, then you're nut swinging...HARD.

LMAO. Nut swinging on a forum that is deticated to the vehicle that I own. Now I've heard it all. You are an import troll, simple as that.

For you to declare that the 3/s is slow having only "seen" a few 14 second run proves your ignorance. Like I said from jump, they need to just race again and get it on film..simple solution, no drama, no bullsh*t. You can stop fighting for your boyfriend's honor now...

You two Mitsubishi lovers need to take the bullshit somewhere else, this isn't the place to troll about your car.

Amazing how someone posts a simple kill story and the import boys come out of the woodwork.

[deathsled]

Alright Mike, no need to swing on my nuts so bad here ;) lol

I am up for a rematch against Ben if he seriously thinks he will win.....hopefully he will just own up to the fact that I was pulling on him. If he doesn't realize that, then I will gladly show him again.

[AudibleSilence]

LMAO. Nut swinging on a forum that is deticated to the vehicle that I own. Now I've heard it all. You are an import troll, simple as that.



Tell him to bring that piece of shit down to the track and I'll whoop his 14 second car myself. Then the bullshit can stop. You two Mitsubishi lovers need to take the bullshit somewhere else, this isn't the place to troll about your car.

Amazing how someone posts a simple kill story and the import boys come out of the woodwork.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/AudibleSilence/3si%20and%20GTOUK%20Hosting/Smilies/ohthedrama.gif Tell your story walkin' kiddo. You're taking this insanely personal and puffing out your chest for no reason. I'll advise you to stop right now, but you'll ignore it because that is what douche bags that like to act hard on the internet do. Yes, all 3000gt's run 14's at the track...you are 100% right. Read my license plate:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/AudibleSilence/Da97/IMG_0196.jpg

[AudibleSilence]

Alright Mike, no need to swing on my nuts so bad here ;) lol

I am up for a rematch against Ben if he seriously thinks he will win.....hopefully he will just own up to the fact that I was pulling on him. If he doesn't realize that, then I will gladly show him again.

Tonight? Tomorrow? This Weekend? Video? You seem awfully willing to run someone again who had 2 cars on you...you rev happy sum bitch! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/AudibleSilence/3si%20and%20GTOUK%20Hosting/Smilies/bowrofl.gif

[69camarokid]

wow... alot of you need to grow up... and this is coming from a youngun.

now first and foremost we are all car guys, whether import or domestic.
so all this import bashing garbage needs to go the fuck out the window.
anycars, no matter where its made or what company manufactures it, that looks good and goes fast deserves respect.

saying that all imports suck or bashing on cars from another country is basically just like racism... fucking dumb

hell, ive built my own 69 camaro, and one of my best freinds has a 98 240 with a skyline swap. i take my car to his import meets and he brings his to the muscle car show. if we can get it, why cant you.

AudibleSilence is right. run the cars, record it, and then well see whose right.
simple as that... no bashing needed.
-justin

[deathsled]

And what does your car run at the track?? Sounds like you're just upset that you got beat, so you're coming into the LS1 forum to deny the charges.

I don't have any times yet, I just rebuilt this car and it's only been running for a little over a month. That's why I was excited to race someone finally who could give me a good indication of what kind of power they made, its the only way I can tell what kind of power my car is putting down until I get on a dyno or take it to the track.

4 years ago it ran a 13.1 @ around 110 on 10psi with what turned out to be pretty much blown turbos. That might have even been when i was running 1 stock turbo and 1 upgraded one (one of the upgraded ones had already failed).

Now I anticipate low 12s at 115mph+, but I don't want to throw out numbers without anything to back it up really.

I built this car for autox, road course, and touge, not for drag. It's responsive now, not a power house.


Amazing how someone posts a simple kill story and the import boys come out of the woodwork.

only came out of the woodwork because someone else brought this thread to my attention. that and because his version is completely inaccurate. Would you stand by and let someone say they "wasted" you? And then let them say how "shocked" you were? We couldn't be further from the truth here hahahaha

[big hammer]

LMAO @ VR4's

[deathsled]

this thread is getting all sorts of off track and in violation of the rules of this forum, which *I* apparently have read lol

All I'm saying is I did not lose and I will gladly race again

[jomo]

Lets get to the bottom of this, just do it again.

Wesman just go away, Iam sick of hearing the same thing over and over and over again from you. You aways have to mess up someones thread, let the guy who posted the kill defend himself.

[drummer52910]

Ive always thought the Vr4 was a damn good looking car, The generation with the pop up headlights. The newer ones not as much.

[adollarwodbnice]

So you guys gonna race for pinks or what??? :yup:

[itsfess]

I think a vr4 is alot faster than many of you guys think. But I agree that they are very heavy especially the spyders.

[adollarwodbnice]

Spyders are very heavy for obvious reasons especially the vr-4 spyders... they are hardtop and require ALOT more parts to make the top work. However they are damn quick still for being a great deal heavier. I'd imagine a Trans Am vert would be heavier than a hard top? Maybe not... I wouldn't know honestly but there's fast spyders out there too... they just sit in garages most the time.

[95camaroZNC]

Ill race him again, ive got no problem with that, but ill also not take him saying he was inching away, he may have inched when i went from 1st to 2nd but past that if your gona say you shut down and give up when i was itching to grab for 3rd and keep going, then it wasnt really a race and you gave up? The other night you weren't claiming you could beat the car either? And to the guy whos talking about launching? I didnt know me easing out of 1st and dropping the hammer after that is really launching? Now if he shut down after he got in 3rd gear doing 50? Then thats not really a race and if he wants to go again ive got no problem with that, i havent really been driving the car that incredibly hard since ive replaced the radiator and have been slightly worried about it over heating, but since it seems to be fixed now ive got no problem going balls to the wall again if hes not gona shut down before i can get to 3rd again?

It is funny how this can get to two pages in the time it takes me to sleep and go to work and come home.

And if you wana call BS then call it to my face not online with what 3 other guys posting behind you? You dont see 4 of us from LS1 posting on your boards?

[Wesman]

LMAO @ VR4's

At least someone sees the irony in all this.

[deathsled]

So now I shut down while you were grabbing for 3rd? I thought you were in 4th and 2 cars ahead of me......

I shut down once I got into 3rd because that was 80mph in a 45 zone, lol

Ben I'm not tryin' to start a fight here, let's line em up again if you seriously didn't understand what was happening ;)

The other night you weren't claiming you could beat the car either?

Cuz we just met and honestly I didn't waste you, I was only slowly pulling, I wasn't going to stand there and rub it in to your face that you lost, lol. It was relatively close if you ask me.

[95camaroZNC]

Like i said, ive got no problem with that.

[deathsled]

lets do it noooooow, haha

[95camaroZNC]

Where abouts?

[adollarwodbnice]

At least someone sees the irony in all this.

Yes, it's ironic a v6 vs. v8 once of which is faster and apparently weighs so much more that it can't keep up...:spit:

[deathsled]

Where abouts?

Where you wanna meet? I'm down off 540 @ Leeseville Rd

[95camaroZNC]

Can meet you at the HT up there, and go light to light if its pretty clear?

[95camaroZNC]

Yes, it's ironic a v6 vs. v8 once of which is faster and apparently weighs so much more that it can't keep up...:spit:

If your gona put it that way, twin turbo my car and see if you can tell a difference. You cant compare it like that with a NA car running a boosted car, 2 cylinders dont= Forced Induction equally. Other wise the result would be as drastic as me racing a NA V6.

[deathsled]

oh there is no place good to go light to light out here. Id say we just hop on 540 and go from a roll. That will take away my AWD advantage for you ;)

[95camaroZNC]

lol whatever you want to do is fine with me.

[deathsled]

sweet, well if you wanna come over here I'll go up to the BP station right there at that shopping center, I need some smokes anyway.

oh wait im sure they're closed, but I'll still go up there, lol

[95camaroZNC]

K OMW out

[deathsled]

right, on, see you there, heading out too

[itsfess]

off topic but i think a vr4 weighs more than a convertible ta and a spyder is about 400 lbs more than a vr4(convertible hard top vrs rag top). fast cars though, i drive them at work sometimes.

[adollarwodbnice]

Video or it never happened!!

[big hammer]

^^^ i'm with toby here!

[jray0305usa]

I used to have an 88 Starion Turbo. I got rid of it and bought a stealth TT. The stealth was not as much fun to drive cause it was so big and heavy feeling. The starion was fun as hell but the 3000GT(stealth) did look a lot better

one of my best friends is shoving a ls1 in an 88 starion.... the other one he had 4 cyl turbo with a boost controler up to 14psi was doing mid 14s all day... cool cars...

[adam3566]

one of my best friends is shoving a ls1 in an 88 starion.... the other one he had 4 cyl turbo with a boost controler up to 14psi was doing mid 14s all day... cool cars...

Neither story sounds right to me, you both keep changing your stories, especially the guy with the lt1. How's this do best of 3 from a dig and record it that were theres no doubting who won....

[4tun8]

Anyone else notice a mega call out? I think it's hilarious that the guy he raced got on here and set the record straight. Makes you wonder how many other people lie on their races. I for one dont, but I'm sure a few fibs have been told from people who raced me =)


I had one guy tell me that my car was a 10 second car and he hasn't rode in it in 2 years, well he didn't tell me, I was standing there as I magically gained 200 more horsepower and 9 tenths of a second off my ET.


If only it were that easy

[adam3566]

Anyone else notice a mega call out? I think it's hilarious that the guy he raced got on here and set the record straight. Makes you wonder how many other people lie on their races. I for one dont, but I'm sure a few fibs have been told from people who raced me =)


I had one guy tell me that my car was a 10 second car and he hasn't rode in it in 2 years, well he didn't tell me, I was standing there as I magically gained 200 more horsepower and 9 tenths of a second off my ET.


If only it were that easy


I agree with you on here. Can't call the original poster a lier since i didn't witness it at all, but his story just doesn't add up. Hence why I stated tape it next time from a dig....

[Wesman]

If your gona put it that way, twin turbo my car and see if you can tell a difference. You cant compare it like that with a NA car running a boosted car, 2 cylinders dont= Forced Induction equally. Other wise the result would be as drastic as me racing a NA V6.

Exactly. Not to mention the 3000GT has a built up motor, according to the defendant.

Ricers just don't get it, N/A they lose, boost for boost they lose.

[adam3566]

Exactly. Not to mention the 3000GT has a built up motor, according to the defendant.

Ricers just don't get it, N/A they lose, boost for boost they lose.

Boost for boost? Show a 5.7 that will take 30lbs of boost on stock bottom end....

[AudibleSilence]

Exactly. Not to mention the 3000GT has a built up motor, according to the defendant.

Ricers just don't get it, N/A they lose, boost for boost they lose.

Built motor? It's a stock 10:1 engine out of an N/A 3000 w/ TT parts.. You are so ignorant...

p.s. who won? vids?

[Wesman]

Boost for boost? Show a 5.7 that will take 30lbs of boost on stock bottom end....

Who the hell said the motors were stock?? Where are you pulling these things from?? Obviously a boosted motor is going to come forged from the factory, the LSx would need forged internals to run 30PSI.

And I hate to burst your bubble, but a 4G63 is not going to last very long at 30PSI. I've mentioned this before, we had one at our shop owned by a kid (he's a complete moron) who was running 30PSI with a "hybrid" turbo. Made somewhere around 370 completely unuseable WHP. Problem was he brought it in complaining of the oil smelling like gas. Well, when you're running 30PSI on a factory motor that isn't designed for that, fuel is going to get past the rings. So its not long before the bottom end is toast. The engine also failed a compression test and a coolant system pressure test, all with 30K miles. But you're right, they are the best engines in the world, we should sell our V8s and buy 4 cylinder Mitsubishis.

What is this world coming to...:rolleyes:

[Wesman]

Built motor? It's a stock 10:1 engine out of an N/A 3000 w/ TT parts.. You are so ignorant...

p.s. who won? vids?

Only going by what he said...

You're his butt buddy, sorry we can't all have the inside scoop like you do.

I don't have any times yet, I just rebuilt this car and it's only been running for a little over a month. That's why I was excited to race someone finally who could give me a good indication of what kind of power they made, its the only way I can tell what kind of power my car is putting down until I get on a dyno or take it to the track

[adam3566]

Who the hell said the motors were stock?? Where are you pulling these things from?? Obviously a boosted motor is going to come forged from the factory, the LSx would need forged internals to run 30PSI.

And I hate to burst your bubble, but a 4G63 is not going to last very long at 30PSI. I've mentioned this before, we had one at our shop owned by a kid (he's a complete moron) who was running 30PSI with a "hybrid" turbo. Made somewhere around 370 completely unuseable WHP. Problem was he brought it in complaining of the oil smelling like gas. Well, when you're running 30PSI on a factory motor that isn't designed for that, fuel is going to get past the rings. So its not long before the bottom end is toast. The engine also failed a compression test and a coolant system pressure test, all with 30K miles. But you're right, they are the best engines in the world, we should sell our V8s and buy 4 cylinder Mitsubishis.

What is this world coming to...:rolleyes:

Wow you are a complete dumbass, Learn to fucking read. Again I never said a 4g63. If your going to put your input into a thread PLEASE READ before you open your mouth. I was talking 2jz. Look at what I drive, think I'm an import fan, well yes and no. I respect something that's different. I have a decently quick vette and a balls out T/A. I just can see were people come from. I have no problem with someone sticking 30-40 grand into a vehicle they decide to do to make fast. Would you like everyone driving 10 second lsx vehicles..... Wow that would be exciting. Hell I love getting beat in my vette by an evo or a 350z on the streets. It's something DIFFERENT. To each is own.

[Wesman]

Wow you are a complete dumbass, Learn to fucking read. Again I never said a 4g63. If your going to put your input into a thread PLEASE READ before you open your mouth. I was talking 2jz. Look at what I drive, think I'm an import fan, well yes and no. I respect something that's different. I have a decently quick vette and a balls out T/A. I just can see were people come from. I have no problem with someone sticking 30-40 grand into a vehicle they decide to do to make fast. Would like everyone driving 10 second lsx vehicles..... Wow that would be exciting. Hell I love getting beat in my vette by an evo or a 350z on the streets. It's something DIFFERENT. To each is own.

You love getting beat by Evos and 350Z's...:rolleyes:

Maybe if you SPECIFIED the 2JZ, I would be able to READ it. Amazing how fucked you are in the head. You need to lay off the meth/cocaine/heroin/ whatever the hell you're on.

[AudibleSilence]

Wes...a 3000gt has a 6cyl dohc 6g72....Evos have 4 cyl 4g63...

[adam3566]

You love getting beat by Evos and 350Z's...:rolleyes:

Maybe if you SPECIFIED the 2JZ, I would be able to READ it. Amazing how fucked you are in the head. You need to lay off the meth/cocaine/heroin/ whatever the hell you're on.

An evo that has been built yeah, because it's not the same o same o. And if my meth cocaine usage is bad, well than i guess everyone who makes well over 6 figures should use what i do. Reason stands there. Well maybe you should ask before you run your fucking mouth all over the place. I already made you look like a dumbass in the other import thread. Keep talking, your only making yourself look dumber.

[AudibleSilence]

You love getting beat by Evos and 350Z's...:rolleyes:

Maybe if you SPECIFIED the 2JZ, I would be able to READ it. Amazing how fucked you are in the head. You need to lay off the meth/cocaine/heroin/ whatever the hell you're on.

What is it like to be thought of as a babbling penis across two forums?

[Wesman]

What is it like to be thought of as a babbling penis across two forums?

Whats it like to be a trolling import assclown trying to get props for your piece of shit car on a Domestic forum?? Your life is pathetic.

[deathsled]

no forged anything in my car. Well actually I guess the factory rods are forged, but my pistons are cast that's for sure.

Anyway, Ben and I just had a lot of fun. I don't think there's any confusion any more ;)

[95camaroZNC]

We re raced three times on the high way and a few from a dig...

On the highway it was very clear who was going to beat who all night long, the VR4 was much faster, from a roll you all always claim a 4WD car is slower but that wasnt the case. I dunno maybe i suck at driving my car? Maybe needa driver mod who knows. It was closer from a dig though, we went a couple of times from a dig and each time hed shift he put a couple feet on me until it was probably about a car to a two cars ahead before we both shut down. When we both split from hanging around we messed around and i saw him go for it from my rear view and went for it myself in 3rd and kept ahead of him but it was clear he was gaining and would have passed me.

Didnt mean for there to be this much HOOP LA we both decided the night before had been a misunderstanding and hes a cool guy. If i got a more agressive cam maybe or a little more work i could probably keep up better.

[Wesman]

We re raced three times on the high way and a few from a dig...

On the highway it was very clear who was going to beat who all night long, the VR4 was much faster, from a roll you all always claim a 4WD car is slower but that wasnt the case. I dunno maybe i suck at driving my car? Maybe needa driver mod who knows. It was closer from a dig though, we went a couple of times from a dig and each time hed shift he put a couple feet on me until it was probably about a car to a two cars ahead before we both shut down. When we both split from hanging around we messed around and i saw him go for it from my rear view and went for it myself in 3rd and kept ahead of him but it was clear he was gaining and would have passed me.

Didnt mean for there to be this much HOOP LA we both decided the night before had been a misunderstanding and hes a cool guy. If i got a more agressive cam maybe or a little more work i could probably keep up better.


Well at least now its settled. Now go get some mods and show him what happens when you race a H/C/I LT1 ;)

[Wesman]

no forged anything in my car. Well actually I guess the factory rods are forged, but my pistons are cast that's for sure.

Anyway, Ben and I just had a lot of fun. I don't think there's any confusion any more ;)

Those engines have cast pistons with the twin turbo setup?? Or is that only because you're using a N/A 3000GT motor??

[95camaroZNC]

hah or build it to a 383?

[deathsled]

When we both split from hanging around we messed around and i saw him go for it from my rear view and went for it myself in 3rd and kept ahead of him but it was clear he was gaining and would have passed me.

I was in 4th, sadly 3rd would have spelled murder :P From a roll things were surprisingly nasty on the highway, you have to admit hehe

You hang in there really well from a dig though from 0-60

[Wesman]

hah or build it to a 383?

Thats even better!!

[deathsled]

Those engines have cast pistons with the twin turbo setup?? Or is that only because you're using a N/A 3000GT motor??

yup even the turbo shortblock has cast pistons! weak right?

[adam3566]

We re raced three times on the high way and a few from a dig...

On the highway it was very clear who was going to beat who all night long, the VR4 was much faster, from a roll you all always claim a 4WD car is slower but that wasnt the case. I dunno maybe i suck at driving my car? Maybe needa driver mod who knows. It was closer from a dig though, we went a couple of times from a dig and each time hed shift he put a couple feet on me until it was probably about a car to a two cars ahead before we both shut down. When we both split from hanging around we messed around and i saw him go for it from my rear view and went for it myself in 3rd and kept ahead of him but it was clear he was gaining and would have passed me.

Didnt mean for there to be this much HOOP LA we both decided the night before had been a misunderstanding and hes a cool guy. If i got a more agressive cam maybe or a little more work i could probably keep up better.

Too bad for your loss. Doesn't make much sense unless he wasn't launching very high. He should of raped you from the hole. But all in all good job. Get some juice on that thing.

[Wesman]

yup even the turbo shortblock has cast pistons! weak right?

Any idea whats the stock boost pressure?? Can't imagine its too much with those stock pistons...

Sounds like a recipe for some cracked pistons if you were to up the boost too much on the stock internals.

[95camaroZNC]

lol, well i plan to do lots of work over the coming year so well see where it stands again in 6 months.

[deathsled]

Any idea whats the stock boost pressure?? Can't imagine its too much with those stock pistons...

91-93 stock boost is 9 or 10psi with a 8:1 compression motor
94+ stock boost is 12psi with a 8:1 compression motor

I'm 13psi on 10:1

As far as cracked pistons go I know plenty of people running 25-30psi on factory short blocks

[95camaroZNC]

Yeah ill def be going from a dig on anyone now on and telling them that AWD BS is just that BS.

[AudibleSilence]

Yeah ill def be going from a dig on anyone now on and telling them that AWD BS is just that BS.

:dot: no no no no bro... a proper awd dump = you raped :(

[deathsled]

:dot: no no no no bro... a proper awd dump = you raped :(

I took him for a ride but the 1 time i tried to launch it I kind of bogged it. When we raced from a dig though I lit up all 4 tires, that was interesting from inside my car, lol

[95camaroZNC]

Well anything=me losing tonight apparently.:giveup:

[deathsled]

Well anything=me losing tonight apparently.:giveup:

one day man, there's a lot of potential in 5.7L thats for sure!

[4tun8]

Who the hell said the motors were stock?? Where are you pulling these things from?? Obviously a boosted motor is going to come forged from the factory, the LSx would need forged internals to run 30PSI.

And I hate to burst your bubble, but a 4G63 is not going to last very long at 30PSI. I've mentioned this before, we had one at our shop owned by a kid (he's a complete moron) who was running 30PSI with a "hybrid" turbo. Made somewhere around 370 completely unuseable WHP. Problem was he brought it in complaining of the oil smelling like gas. Well, when you're running 30PSI on a factory motor that isn't designed for that, fuel is going to get past the rings. So its not long before the bottom end is toast. The engine also failed a compression test and a coolant system pressure test, all with 30K miles. But you're right, they are the best engines in the world, we should sell our V8s and buy 4 cylinder Mitsubishis.

What is this world coming to...:rolleyes:



ROFL now you're going too far. You want to see the inside of my motor after about 35,000 miles of running between 29-33psi?

Stick to things you have a knowledge of, like blind faith of the LS1.

[JHayesLS1]

This thread kicked so much ass.

[JwMonE99]

hah or build it to a 383?

If you build to a 383 you can still do the H/C/I

[4tun8]

Any idea whats the stock boost pressure?? Can't imagine its too much with those stock pistons...

Sounds like a recipe for some cracked pistons if you were to up the boost too much on the stock internals.

BTW boost pressure means exactly dick. Relative to tuning, fueling, octane, timing, breathing modifications, and most importantly the size of the turbo.

[Wesman]

BTW boost pressure means exactly dick. Relative to tuning, fueling, octane, timing, breathing modifications, and most importantly the size of the turbo.

Wrong. Boost pressure is directly related to how much pressure is being built up in the cylinders. 30PSI is going to cause a lot more stress and pressure in a cylinders than 10PSI would, thats common sense. You can tune the car perfectly with fueling, timing, high octane, breathing mods, ect, its not going to mean dick if the engine internals can't take the stress of the increased pressure. There is a reason boosted cars tend to run forged internals.

[Wesman]

ROFL now you're going too far. You want to see the inside of my motor after about 35,000 miles of running between 29-33psi?

Stick to things you have a knowledge of, like blind faith of the LS1.

Who said anything about comparing it to an LS1??

I'm talking about the motor in and of itself, comparing it to nothing.

Bottom line is the motor is pretty much shot after 30K miles, mostly due to running 30PSI daily. Lets see, who should I believe, some kid on the internet whos says the engine is awesome, or my own personal experience that says the motor can't take the abuse, which I've seen first hand?? I'll go with the latter.

[4tun8]

Wrong. Boost pressure is directly related to how much pressure is being built up in the cylinders. 30PSI is going to cause a lot more stress and pressure in a cylinders than 10PSI would, thats common sense. You can tune the car perfectly with fueling, timing, high octane, breathing mods, ect, its not going to mean dick if the engine internals can't take the stress of the increased pressure. There is a reason boosted cars tend to run forged internals.

BZZZZT Wrong captain. You are correct in thinking that 10psi vs 30psi is going to be more stressful to the motor but you're incorrect in thinking it is due to boost pressure. Do you realize how pressurized the combustion chamber is? It makes 2 atmospheres look like a walk in the park.


Thanks for playing though.

[SVG210]

Heavy pigs the VR4........They look awesome though.

Agreed, been wanting to get my ass into one of those but they are so rare to find.

[adollarwodbnice]

Agreed, been wanting to get my ass into one of those but they are so rare to find.

Funny you say they are rare... I hardly ever see SS camaros.. I know a guy with an auto convertible SS with like 30k on it... bought it brand new and it's as mint as can be. NA 3000gts are pretty common but TT's are very random to see... only seen a few just from driving around.

BTW to those that don't know a whole lot about our motors... stock internals have been proven to withstand 700+ hp... if you read a little info on our forums it has been done. We have beefy motors but if you don't do proper upgrades they can explode like any other.

I'd be surprised if the camaro didn't take the vr-4 off the line for a smidge... V8s tend to do that to mildly modified vr-4s.