beat up a 07 stang

[nhraformula]

the guy had gears,( he wouldnt admite to what size), full exhaust and a cai.
twice we went from a stop and he got the hit. i went right around him easily and by the time i got to 90 or so, i had a bus on him.
cool guy though, he gave me the thumps up while his buddy was laughing at him.
they asked what mods i had, i just said full exhaust while smiling

[Camarofan]

the guy had gears,( he wouldnt admite to what size), full exhaust and a cai.
twice we went from a stop and he got the hit. i went right around him easily and by the time i got to 90 or so, i had a bus on him.
cool guy though, he gave me the thumps up while his buddy was laughing at him.
they asked what mods i had, i just said full exhaust while smiling

Nice kill. Hell yeah, according to your sig, you would put a bus or so on him. He should be around 310rwhp/320tq and running 12.9-13-1 or so with stock tires on that set up. 12.6/7ish with DR's. Somewhere in that neighborhood, nowhere close to you. What do you have done to it though??? Just the full exhaust?

[emoFTW]

nice man! i raced an 07 mustang outlaw GT, he had i/exhaust, and a programmer with a diff base map, i pulled him in the 3rd and im bone stock!!! zero mods!

edit: just cat back exhaust, but he also had pullies.

[Camarofan]

nice man! i raced an 07 mustang outlaw GT, he had i/full exhaust, and a programmer with a diff base map, i pulled him in the 3rd and im bone stock!!! zero mods!

Wow, I don't even know what an outlaw GT is, and some of his mods sound different, but bone stock doing this?....:bs:

[JoshieDoom]

Death to the ponys!

great kill

[big hammer]

Wow, I don't even know what an outlaw GT is, and some of his mods sound different, but bone stock doing this?....:bs:

i can believe it. my car is close to stock and i pulled like a bastard on a bolt on 05 stang in 3rd gear.

[nhraformula]

Nice kill. Hell yeah, according to your sig, you would put a bus or so on him. He should be around 310rwhp/320tq and running 12.9-13-1 or so with stock tires on that set up. 12.6/7ish with DR's. Somewhere in that neighborhood, nowhere close to you. What do you have done to it though??? Just the full exhaust?

full exhaust, 224 cam, 3000 stall, ls6 intake, volant cai and tuning.

[emoFTW]

Wow, I don't even know what an outlaw GT is, and some of his mods sound different, but bone stock doing this?....:bs:


I have a vid, did you want to see it? No BS here man, but yea he had intake, exhaust and a tuner type thing

[Camarofan]

i can believe it. my car is close to stock and i pulled like a bastard on a bolt on 05 stang in 3rd gear.

I dunno what your definition of close to stock is. LS1 guys have a different understanding of stock, then other's I've encountered.

[Camarofan]

I have a vid, did you want to see it? No BS here man, but yea he had intake, exhaust and a tuner type thing

Sure.

[big hammer]

I dunno what your definition of close to stock is. LS1 guys have a different understanding of stock, then other's I've encountered.

some exhaust work, CAI, ported TB and a hand held tuner

[N20LT4]

I dunno what your definition of close to stock is. LS1 guys have a different understanding of stock, then other's I've encountered.

Naw I think it's the other way around. It's usually the Mustang guy that lies about what mods he has.

[Camarofan]

Naw I think it's the other way around. It's usually the Mustang guy that lies about what mods he has.

LoL, there he is. I haven't run into a Stang guy yet that hides his mods, but I'm not denying they're out there.

[Camarofan]

some exhaust work, CAI, ported TB and a hand held tuner


I would imagine from a roll, you could put lengths on a bolt on S197 depending on which bolt ons he had. In the 1/4, I doubt you could put too many lengths with a real driver though.

Naw I think it's the other way around. It's usually the Mustang guy that lies about what mods he has.

LoL, there he is. I haven't run into a Stang guy yet that hides his mods, but I'm not denying they're out there.


BTW, I found a vid that truthfully explains how the races go when an LS1 does beat a 3 valve in the 1/4, and it wasn't 5 lengths and all that jazz. If they get beat, it's probably like this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ31K0bOibk) The drivin was asleep, I think it should've been closer even though the T/A was stronger in accleration.

[big hammer]

I would imagine from a roll, you could put lengths on a bolt on S197 depending on which bolt ons he had. In the 1/4, I doubt you could put too many lengths with a real driver though.



LoL, there he is. I haven't run into a Stang guy yet that hides his mods, but I'm not denying they're out there.


BTW, I found a vid that truthfully explains how the races go when an LS1 does beat a 3 valve in the 1/4, and it wasn't 5 lengths and all that jazz. If they get beat, it's probably like this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ31K0bOibk) The drivin was asleep, I think it should've been closer even though the T/A was stronger in accleration.

i dunno you tell me. he has long tube headers, off road x pipe, CAI, and a dyno tune.

ca.youtube.com/watch?v=UID0byfEsdM

ca.youtube.com/watch?v=vyfnttTfoRw

ca.youtube.com/watch?v=CMvLnZ16wZ4

[Camarofan]

i dunno you tell me. he has long tube headers, off road x pipe, CAI, and a dyno tune.

ca.youtube.com/watch?v=UID0byfEsdM

ca.youtube.com/watch?v=vyfnttTfoRw

ca.youtube.com/watch?v=CMvLnZ16wZ4

Looks like you get him by about 2 cars in the 1/4. I don't know what kind of driver he is cuz I just don't know him. Any E.T's of either of you? I'm not familiar with your mods and what they do to the LS1, but I think I can run ya about dead even with the winner going to whoever drives the best that day with my current set up, assuming this guy has the 3:55's in his 07. I just can't see you realing me in that fast if any at all.

[N20LT4]

Looks like you get him by about 2 cars in the 1/4. I don't know what kind of driver he is cuz I just don't know him. Any E.T's of either of you? I'm not familiar with your mods and what they do to the LS1, but I think I can run ya about dead even with the winner going to whoever drives the best that day with my current set up, assuming this guy has the 3:55's in his 07. I just can't see you realing me in that fast if any at all.

What is it going to take for you [CamaroFan] to realize that S197 Mustangs and LS1 F-bodies ARE NOT equal? Stock for stock, bolt-on for bolt-on...they are NOT equal. Period! I think it's ironic how you keep trying to make the 05-up Mustangs like they are an even match for an LS1. They just aren't. I notice in every situation you blame it on the driver, like you are Evan Smith or something. :ughlaugh: Everytime, "the driver", "the driver". LS1's are a more potent powerplant, simple as that.

[emoFTW]

What is it going to take for you [CamaroFan] to realize that S197 Mustangs and LS1 F-bodies ARE NOT equal? Stock for stock, bolt-on for bolt-on...they are NOT equal. Period! I think it's ironic how you keep trying to make the 05-up Mustangs like they are an even match for an LS1. They just aren't. I notice in every situation you blame it on the driver, like you are Evan Smith or something. :ughlaugh: Everytime, "the driver", "the driver". LS1's are a more potent powerplant, simple as that.

QFT! the new mustangs do look good... but they just dont match up to the f-bodies

[big hammer]

Looks like you get him by about 2 cars in the 1/4. I don't know what kind of driver he is cuz I just don't know him. Any E.T's of either of you? I'm not familiar with your mods and what they do to the LS1, but I think I can run ya about dead even with the winner going to whoever drives the best that day with my current set up, assuming this guy has the 3:55's in his 07. I just can't see you realing me in that fast if any at all.

whatever dude. the proof is in the pudding.

[Camarofan]

whatever dude. the proof is in the pudding.


Oh, no, I don't doubt what My eyes have seen. You pulled that dude strong. I'm talking bout me and my set up. Totally different car and driver. Any track times??

[N20LT4]

Totally different car and driver. Any track times??

O gosh, here we go again...

[Camarofan]

What is it going to take for you [CamaroFan] to realize that S197 Mustangs and LS1 F-bodies ARE NOT equal? Stock for stock, bolt-on for bolt-on...they are NOT equal. Period! I think it's ironic how you keep trying to make the 05-up Mustangs like they are an even match for an LS1. They just aren't. I notice in every situation you blame it on the driver, like you are Evan Smith or something. :ughlaugh: Everytime, "the driver", "the driver". LS1's are a more potent powerplant, simple as that.


I think you have misunderstood me if you think I think they are EQUAL. There's no replacement for displacement. I'm a big quoter of that. My arguement has always been that LS1 dudes lie all the time and I used to believe all the hype, yet stock for stock, they are about 2., maybe tenths apart with equal drivers, not a full second and all that garbage you hear. Yes, I think Ford can compete with Chevy, and I grew up a HUGE GM Fan, and I still am. Actually, everytime I post my LS2 kills, the Driver excuse is brought up here too. Don't make me start showing the vids again. Bring a lightly modded LS1 my way and I'll chew it up N/A with under 2000 into my ride right now. If we were about 1 second slower than you guys, then I'd say we are in a different league......FAIL. You are not that fast. Modded?? The LS1 is unrivaled when it comes to N/A potential. Unbeatable? Hell no.

[Camarofan]

What is it going to take for you [CamaroFan] to realize that S197 Mustangs and LS1 F-bodies ARE NOT equal?




What would it take to convince me that LS1 are just in a different league as you say?


Honestly, there would've had to been a stock LS1 to beat me by about 5 cars in the 1/4 stock for stock. Every since I've seen the actual truth, I just tell it like it is.

[N20LT4]

here too. Don't make me start showing the vids again. Bring a lightly modded LS1 my way and I'll chew it up N/A with under 2000 into my ride right now. .

See, that's the problem. When you say "lightly modded", do you mean mod for mod with everything you have done to your car? Because if you do, then you would lose! Your car mod for mod is not going to "chew" up an LS1, and if you think taking advantage of impaired Camaro & Firebird drivers makes your Mustang superior to modded LS1's then your trippin' my friend. When I saw my bro go 13.2/107.4 in his bone-stock SOM '02 T/A on street tires, and back it up with 13.30s-13.40's over and over again, I knew what those motors were capable of with the right driver. I'm sorry but it's going to take you more that 2-tenths to keep up with a driver that knows what he's doing.

[Camarofan]

i dunno you tell me. he has long tube headers, off road x pipe, CAI, and a dyno tune.

ca.youtube.com/watch?v=UID0byfEsdM

ca.youtube.com/watch?v=vyfnttTfoRw

ca.youtube.com/watch?v=CMvLnZ16wZ4



BTW, hammer, Here ya go, in response.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/S197-kills-LS2-GTO_187199.htm
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/CTSV-kill_123202.htm


Here's a special one for you guys (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/S197s-Can-and-will-be-to_93038.htm)



See, that's the problem. When you say "lightly modded", do you mean mod for mod with everything you have done to your car? Because if you do, then you would lose! Your car mod for mod is not going to "chew" up an LS1, and if you think taking advantage of impaired Camaro & Firebird drivers makes your Mustang superior to modded LS1's then your trippin' my friend. When I saw my bro go 13.2/107.4 in his bone-stock SOM '02 T/A on street tires, and back it up with 13.30s-13.40's over and over again, I knew what those motors were capable of with the right driver. I'm sorry but it's going to take you more that 2-tenths to keep up with a driver that knows what he's doing.


Mod for mod has never been realistic to me when I went out to consider a car. Each car wakes up with it's own set up. With LS1's, it's no secret the heads/cams/full exhaust will get you to the promise land, so to speak. With our cars, Boost is the way to go because we have a lower compression, so we can be more risky when it comes to pounds compared to you guys. Oh, and you had better hope that Ford doesn't do this (http://www.stangnet.com/2010-Ford-Mustang/Rumor-Mill-Return-of-the-50-Powerplant-080922.html) because it would completely give me fuel against your GM superiority arguement. I believe I would get banned from this site. Ford, with this motor would be using a bit of LSx science by having a high compression, which would respond to N/A mods like the LSx motors do...........And yet still, less cubes to attain this.

[Camarofan]

BTW, N20LT4, your bro's 13.3's are no big deal to me bone stock because my converted bone stock times are 13.4's when I was bone stock. I know you won't give me credit for that so go to the MustangForum site you joined and look up the "Track times sticky (http://www.mustangforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87807&page=2)". There are several low thirteen guys on there bone stock with the fastest on there a 13.2. I believe this is the thread of some of the guys that did 13.2 stock on there, but the thread is lengthy so, it might be buried a bit.

[big hammer]

Oh, no, I don't doubt what My eyes have seen. You pulled that dude strong. I'm talking bout me and my set up. Totally different car and driver. Any track times?? sure. if you put enough mods into your stang, you'll beat me. right on. no track times, no strip around here for over 300 miles. so we do it the old fashioned way. line em up and first one to the line wins. all i do know is i'm doing between 108- 110 mph in the quarter.

BTW, hammer, Here ya go, in response.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/S197-kills-LS2-GTO_187199.htm
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/CTSV-kill_123202.htm


Here's a special one for you guys (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/S197s-Can-and-will-be-to_93038.htm)






Mod for mod has never been realistic to me when I went out to consider a car. Each car wakes up with it's own set up. With LS1's, it's no secret the heads/cams/full exhaust will get you to the promise land, so to speak. With our cars, Boost is the way to go because we have a lower compression, so we can be more risky when it comes to pounds compared to you guys. Oh, and you had better hope that Ford doesn't do this (http://www.stangnet.com/2010-Ford-Mustang/Rumor-Mill-Return-of-the-50-Powerplant-080922.html) because it would completely give me fuel against your GM superiority arguement. I believe I would get banned from this site. Ford, with this motor would be using a bit of LSx science by having a high compression, which would respond to N/A mods like the LSx motors do...........And yet still, less cubes to attain this.
well i'll be. those lsx cars need the driver mod.

[N20LT4]

With our cars, Boost is the way to go because we have a lower compression, so we can be more risky when it comes to pounds compared to you guys. .

Ehh...with your cars, boost is the only way to go due to lack of engine displacement. Mod for mod in N/A form, you guys are no match.


Oh, and you had better hope that Ford doesn't do this (http://www.stangnet.com/2010-Ford-Mustang/Rumor-Mill-Return-of-the-50-Powerplant-080922.html) because it would completely give me fuel against your GM superiority arguement. I believe I would get banned from this site.
.

:spit: HA HA! I'm assuming you haven't heard that GM is producing a 5th generation of the Camaro, have you? Whatever Ford throws out there, GM will answer successfully, like they've always done for the past 15 years.


Ford, with this motor would be using a bit of LSx science by having a high compression, which would respond to N/A mods like the LSx motors do...........And yet still, less cubes to attain this.

And yet you pointed out exactly what the disadvantage would be for the Ford powerplant: Less cubes! Must I repeat the old saying again?

BTW, N20LT4, your bro's 13.3's are no big deal to me bone stock because my converted bone stock times are 13.4's when I was bone stock. I know you won't give me credit for that so go to the MustangForum site you joined and look up the "Track times sticky (http://www.mustangforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87807&page=2)". There are several low thirteen guys on there bone stock with the fastest on there a 13.2. I believe this is the thread of some of the guys that did 13.2 stock on there, but the thread is lengthy so, it might be buried a bit.

13.20's for a stock S197? I'd have to see that one with my own two eyes. You'd be lucky to see one go within 5-tenths of that down here, and i'm at Sea Level surrounded by three good tracks. Now 12.80's for a stock LS1 SS, that's a different story. Proof is in the pudding on that one.

[nhraformula]

.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/S197-kills-LS2-GTO_187199.htm
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/CTSV-kill_123202.htm


Here's a special one for you guys (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/S197s-Can-and-will-be-to_93038.htm)



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not to sound like a smartalex, but 13s with gears and other mods isnt too impressive.
back in 2001 with just a airlid and running on street tires i was running 13.40s alll day.

anyways, let the age old debate about which car is better continue....

[Camarofan]

Ehh...with your cars, boost is the only way to go due to lack of engine displacement. Mod for mod in N/A form, you guys are no match.

I agree with you actually here, but who cares? I can still whip some LSx ass now, and will come after guys like you in due time.


:spit: HA HA! I'm assuming you haven't heard that GM is producing a 5th generation of the Camaro, have you? Whatever Ford throws out there, GM will answer successfully, like they've always done for the past 15 years.

Yes, and believe it or not, I'm going to most likely get one to add to my love for the big three(American Muscle).
No, they haven't dominated for the past 15 years. You guys won't admit it, but Ford put out the Terminator. Same 35000 class. It's a legend like your cars. If you deny that, you're simply in denial.



And yet you pointed out exactly what the disadvantage would be for the Ford powerplant: Less cubes! Must I repeat the old saying again?

NO because I believe in that saying too. My arguement is never about not needing cubes, It's about the fact that you think the LS1 is untouchable science to car makers.


13.20's for a stock S197? I'd have to see that one with my own two eyes. You'd be lucky to see one go within 5-tenths of that down here, and i'm at Sea Level surrounded by three good tracks. Now 12.80's for a stock LS1 SS, that's a different story. Proof is in the pudding on that one.

LoL, you need some drivers down there then. 12.80's???? Stock??? :bs: has it happened somewhere? Maybe. Is it to be expected??????:no:

[Camarofan]

not to sound like a smartalex, but 13s with gears and other mods isnt too impressive.back in 2001 with just a airlid and running on street tires i was running 13.40s alll day.

anyways, let the age old debate about which car is better continue....

Are you talking my altitude(5880ft, and I'm not even going to mention the density altitude) or sea level?
I could run your 13.40s at sea level in my car when it was stock, no prob, just drive it like it should be driven. And whatever comments made about my high altitude time is comical to me because there was an LS2 right behind me in both vids. Too bad I didn't have the cam when I got the 2 Maros.

[N20LT4]

I agree with you actually here, but who cares? I can still whip some LSx ass now, and will come after guys like you in due time.


I wouldn't bet on that. The new setup with transmission, suspension work, Vic-E, 205 heads, etc. will be completed once the '97 vert is sold. I will be in the 9's. I doubt you will though.


You guys won't admit it, but Ford put out the Terminator. Same 35000 class. It's a legend like your cars. If you deny that, you're simply in denial.


You have to remember, the terminator was not in direct competition with the LS1 Camaro's & Firebirds due to cease of production in 2002.


LoL, you need some drivers down there then. 12.80's???? Stock??? :bs: has it happened somewhere? Maybe. Is it to be expected??????:no:

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll35/n20lt4/LS1stock12s.jpg

[Camarofan]

I wouldn't bet on that. The new setup with transmission, suspension work, Vic-E, 205 heads, etc. will be completed once the '97 vert is sold. I will be in the 9's. I doubt you will though.

You got me there. I'm thinking I'll be happy in the 10's as a DD.



You have to remember, the terminator was not in direct competition with the LS1 Camaro's & Firebirds due to cease of production in 2002.

And they will be able to run with the next gen Camaro's too.



http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll35/n20lt4/LS1stock12s.jpg[/QUOTE]

This type of rare thing is EXACTLY what makes most of you think you can run 12's stock all day. Nice article though, but 2 valves don't come close. We do as well as the 4 valves.

[bertt23]

i raced a new body style mustang one night i was heading to my hometown with the wife, ac on , i have a box with 2 12" subwoofers, amp, and luggage on the back seats, i was cruising at 75 on the right lane, then i come up to a mustang and he slows down to like 45 si just turn to the middle lane, and he floors it, so it was on, by like 105 i had 3 cars on him. couple of days ago raced a shelby not impressed at all either beat him once as well, second run he beat me cuz i have an a4 and the car didnt downshift to first, but he put like 3 car lengths on me, when we let off i was at his taillights.

[N20LT4]

You got me there. I'm thinking I'll be happy in the 10's as a DD.


I guarantee that once you dump all that money into the blower, supporting mods, drivetrain, suspension, etc. you will not wan't to drive that car on a daily basis. You'll have to have a beater on the side.


This type of rare thing is EXACTLY what makes most of you think you can run 12's stock all day. Nice article though, but 2 valves don't come close. We do as well as the 4 valves.

Just remember you called B.S. on that one. I just had to make you a believer. ;)

[flash]

I wouldn't bet on that. The new setup with transmission, suspension work, Vic-E, 205 heads, etc. will be completed once the '97 vert is sold. I will be in the 9's. I doubt you will though.



You have to remember, the terminator was not in direct competition with the LS1 Camaro's & Firebirds due to cease of production in 2002.



http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll35/n20lt4/LS1stock12s.jpg

You posted this awhile back.....http://www.ls1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1393202&postcount=10


But then you use a mm&ff magazine to prove a point.:blah::blah:

Now you say this......Just remember you called B.S. on that one. I just had to make you a believer

So now cause it proves a point in your favor its now acceptable to use mm&ff magazine numbers.:ughlaugh:

[nhraformula]

So now cause it proves a point in your favor its now acceptable to use mm&ff magazine numbers.:ughlaugh:

those are legit numbers thrown out there by a ford magazine, talk about salt in the wound

[N20LT4]

You posted this awhile back.....http://www.ls1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1393202&postcount=10


Was bringing up my old post an attempt to put me out on front street? If so, then I must have missed something...like your point!


But then you use a mm&ff magazine to prove a point.:blah::blah::

Uhh, when did I ever (in my post above to "CamaroFan") say the average driver would infact run 12.80's in a stock LS1, like the gifted Evan Smith did?


So now cause it proves a point in your favor its now acceptable to use mm&ff magazine numbers.:ughlaugh:

Dude, seriously lay off the Moonshine because your making no sense right now.

[flash]

those are legit numbers thrown out there by a ford magazine, talk about salt in the wound

I know it was numbers thrown out by a ford magazine.The point was all the numbers out of the same magazine should be used also,but if you use and post them there are ones that like to point out the fact that its mm&ff and they are know for quicker times then most.That is all.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

[flash]

Was bringing up my old post an attempt to put me out on front street? If so, then I must have missed something...like your point!



Uhh, when did I ever (in my post above to "CamaroFan") say the average driver would infact run 12.80's in a stock LS1, like the gifted Evan Smith did?



Dude, seriously lay off the Moonshine because your making no sense right now.

Just remember you called B.S. on that one. I just had to make you a believer.

When you posted this.

[N20LT4]

.

When you posted this.

Umm...
yeah...the moonshine, lay off.

[flash]

Good answer.

[Camarofan]

I guarantee that once you dump all that money into the blower, supporting mods, drivetrain, suspension, etc. you will not wan't to drive that car on a daily basis. You'll have to have a beater on the side.



Just remember you called B.S. on that one. I just had to make you a believer. ;)

Same track, Same day, same conditions, same driver, he would've run about a 13.1 or so in an S197. Like I said....About 2 to 3 tenths, that's it. I don't care about all the people that run 14.s and such in these things. I don't even believe LS1's high 13's, even though people run those numbers. It's not even that they are bad drivers, it's just because on any given day, the Density Altitude is different. There's alot more variables to drag racing than I once thought. N20LT4, YOU KNOW WE ARE GOING NOWHERE on this subject, so, we agree to disagree and if you had an LS1 with similar money put into it, I'd say lets meet at the track, but...oh well.

[N20LT4]

Same track, Same day, same conditions, same driver, he would've run about a 13.1 or so in an S197. Like I said....About 2 to 3 tenths, that's it. I don't care about all the people that run 14.s and such in these things. I don't even believe LS1's high 13's, even though people run those numbers. It's not even that they are bad drivers, it's just because on any given day, the Density Altitude is different. There's alot more variables to drag racing than I once thought. N20LT4, YOU KNOW WE ARE GOING NOWHERE on this subject, so, we agree to disagree and if you had an LS1 with similar money put into it, I'd say lets meet at the track, but...oh well.

I'll agree to disagree. Your right, we could fill up another 2 or 3 pages with this debate until it gets locked! Like usual. :)

[big hammer]

it takes about 5500- 6000 bucks to get a stang into the 11's... man.

[nhraformula]

Same track, Same day, same conditions, same driver, he would've run about a 13.1 or so in an S197. Like I said....About 2 to 3 tenths, that's it. I don't care about all the people that run 14.s and such in these things. I don't even believe LS1's high 13's, even though people run those numbers. It's not even that they are bad drivers, it's just because on any given day, the Density Altitude is different. There's alot more variables to drag racing than I once thought. N20LT4, YOU KNOW WE ARE GOING NOWHERE on this subject, so, we agree to disagree and if you had an LS1 with similar money put into it, I'd say lets meet at the track, but...oh well.

Altitude does play a big part of times depending on where a person is.
the track i go to is 660 DA.

[Camarofan]

it takes about 5500- 6000 bucks to get a stang into the 11's... man.

That would be accurate, I'm assuming, and I suprisingly agree with you. I've spent about 1700 to get to an equivelent 12 at sea level at my track. Then again, I haven't payed any labor charges yet. You may be right.

Altitude does play a big part of times depending on where a person is.
the track i go to is 660 DA.

I dream of running in that altitude. Me and the fellas are going to either Kansas or Vegas to run at sea level soon.

[nhraformula]

That would be accurate, I'm assuming, and I suprisingly agree with you. I've spent about 1700 to get to an equivelent 12 at sea level at my track. Then again, I haven't payed any labor charges yet. You may be right.



I dream of running in that altitude. Me and the fellas are going to either Kansas or Vegas to run at sea level soon.

if i was to run my car at a Colorado track, ill bet id be in the mid 12s.
vegas in november on a nice cool morning should give a good result

[nhraformula]

it takes about 5500- 6000 bucks to get a stang into the 11's... man.

an ls1 is right around there also.

my cam kit install, ported oil pump,
tuning and labor was 1800
stall converter installed/ tuning was 1100
headers, y pipe installed/ with tuning was 1000
catback installed 450
volant cai 250
subframes 200
ls6 intake installed 550
bfg drs 300

[Camarofan]

if i was to run my car at a Colorado track, ill bet id be in the mid 12s.
vegas in november on a nice cool morning should give a good result

You must be very deep in the 11's at your track then. There are plenty of modded Cobras and LSx's in the 12's here, as well as 13's and 14's too.

an ls1 is right around there also.

my cam kit install, ported oil pump,
tuning and labor was 1800
stall converter installed/ tuning was 1100
headers, y pipe installed/ with tuning was 1000
catback installed 450
volant cai 250
subframes 200
ls6 intake installed 550
bfg drs 300

Wow, I appreciate the honesty man, I was tempted to believe it was like 1000 bucks or something the way most guys talk.

[nhraformula]

You must be very deep in the 11's at your track then. There are plenty of modded Cobras and LSx's in the 12's here, as well as 13's and 14's too.



Wow, I appreciate the honesty man, I was tempted to believe it was like 1000 bucks or something the way most guys talk.

im a high 11 second car. my times are typical of likewise modded cars.


the labor added close to about 2k to my grand total of everything i did.

you can run 11s for a little over 1k if you go with a 150 shot of giggle gas and DRs.

[N20LT4]

Wow, I appreciate the honesty man, I was tempted to believe it was like 1000 bucks or something the way most guys talk.

Man what is it with your beef with LS1's and their owners? I think you should change your name to 'Mustangfan-Boy'.

[Camarofan]

Man what is it with your beef with LS1's and their owners? I think you should change your name to 'Mustangfan-Boy'.

LoL, I lovvvvvvvve Camaros and T/A's. I always have. In my little car club at work, we have LS1 owners in there as well. I've talked to HONEST LS1 owners about their cars and have driven some of them, and yes, I've driven heads and cam LS1's too. I know what the car is capable of so when someone is throwing out some bull.....I challenge it, that's all:)


im a high 11 second car. my times are typical of likewise modded cars.


the labor added close to about 2k to my grand total of everything i did.

you can run 11s for a little over 1k if you go with a 150 shot of giggle gas and DRs.

I hate to challenge your best guess, since you seem to be pretty grounded, but if you're high 11's at sea level(assuming), then you'd be hard pressed to get into the 12's here. Most pullied/exhaust Terminators run 13.0-13.3's here.

[Camarofan]

Man what is it with your beef with LS1's and their owners? I think you should change your name to 'Mustangfan-Boy'.

And another thing is out of all the guys out there that don't need to lie, LS1 owners do it the most. I'm serious.

[N20LT4]

And another thing is out of all the guys out there that don't need to lie, LS1 owners do it the most. I'm serious.

Yeah freakin' right! You can't expect me to believe that. What would an LS1 guy have to lie about? I mean, really though, the cars can make 350rwhp with just BOLT-ONS, over 500rwhp with H/C and still maintain decent street manners. What is their to lie about?

[nhraformula]

I hate to challenge your best guess, since you seem to be pretty grounded, but if you're high 11's at sea level(assuming), then you'd be hard pressed to get into the 12's here. Most pullied/exhaust Terminators run 13.0-13.3's here.

i under estimated how much the DA would of effected my car. i was just guessing it would slow me down by half a second or so.

[big hammer]

so when are the mustangs getting a bigger engine? i keep hearing rumors.

[nhraformula]

And another thing is out of all the guys out there that don't need to lie, LS1 owners do it the most. I'm serious.

i have to disagree with above. the worst offenders of "padding numbers" are import guys

[Camarofan]

i under estimated how much the DA would of effected my car. i was just guessing it would slow me down by half a second or so.

That track is unbelievably brutal. When I run at sea level, i'll probably pass out, it'll be so much different. When my best friend came up here from Indiana with his 98 Camaro, he was like WTF???? I just chuckled and reminded him that he was driving a mile high and his car was starving for air. Guys up here run ALOT of juice at the track to compensate.


Yeah freakin' right! You can't expect me to believe that. What would an LS1 guy have to lie about? I mean, really though, the cars can make 350rwhp with just BOLT-ONS, over 500rwhp with H/C and still maintain decent street manners. What is their to lie about?

This is my point EXACTLY, but they do when they talk about racing or what mods they have. They usually act like they haven't done much to their car, then they race stock cars of different makes. I'm seeing alot of raggin on the new SRT 8 challenger too. When those guys start modding, I think they'll silence alot of the bullshiters.

i have to disagree with above. the worst offenders of "padding numbers" are import guys


Maybe so, but imports don't intrigue me as much as Muscle does(except Skylines and Supras), so I don't care what they're talking about most of the time.

so when are the mustangs getting a bigger engine? i keep hearing rumors.

Ford is fuggin with us. They have never had any reason to change anything since Stangs sell so much, but now that the Challenger and the New Camaro is coming out with 400+hp, I expect it to be soon, or else guys like me will go back home to GM, where my heart has been before I got the Stang. Ima still get that Camaro though. I don't want the Challenger for some reason.