New WS6 Owner

[mrsracing]

I am new to cars and new to these cars. I am picking up a 02 TransAm WS6 tomorrow with 35K miles which is bone stock. I don't need the fastest car on the road but was curious of what mod's are a must and what kind of HP you can get from them. My initial thoughts are exhaust, intake, headers, window tint. I would like to get high 300's in hp to 400. This is strictly a play car for me but I want it to be able to be a daily driver in realiability, etc.

Anything specific I should look out for when seeing the car tomorrow? Already done Carfax, have dozen pictures, 2 hrs of conversations, etc. Feedback and info would be much appreciated! Thanks!

[rapter34]

are we talking high 300 to 400 RWHP or crank? becasue 400 at the crank is about 330 at the wheels that can be achived with a LS6 intake, catback, and Long tube headers. A good tune also helps.

[third_shift|studios]

WHAT!? 400 crack =330 wheels? no son...it's only a 15% loss, you'd need a cam, exhaust and tune to get to 400 crank [380 wheels].

THat said, don't rip into your car right out of the dealer-enjoy it for the summer, mod it in the winter, bro. But right up front, yeah, tint and exhaust would be super beneficial. I hear the SC peeps only own GMMG or Borla...better get your loan officer on the phone! HAA!

[rapter34]

I herd 20% and evan at 15%

400 x .15 = 60

400-60 = 340

[Wesman]

I herd 20% and evan at 15%

400 x .15 = 60

400-60 = 340

Exactly...my car dyno'd 341WHP, which is the equivelent of about 400HP at the crank when you figure in 15% drivetrain loss.

[rapter34]

why did TSS say 380? and If I put it at 20% I was still pretty close.

[third_shift|studios]

yeesh...sorry, i'm having a wierd math day...

it's just hard to believe that a car car go to 400 crank with a cat back. I mean, i had a catback and made 315 TQ/HP on my last ws.6. This new one with headers/Y/exhaust and tune = 340 TQ 330 HP

[Spaz]

i've seen many cars that have made 350 rwhp with LT, Y, LM1 and a lid...

[Mr. Luos]

i've seen many cars that have made 350 rwhp with LT, Y, LM1 and a lid...
I am yet to see one. :dunno:

Most cars with bolt-ons look at 335-345 RWHP. Tuning should get some of them to that 350RWHP goal.

[MadSeason]

Manual 10% Auto 15% loss, can be fudged by flywheels, aftermarket rear diff, and lighter driveshafts

[fbird777]

I am yet to see one. :dunno:

Most cars with bolt-ons look at 335-345 RWHP. Tuning should get some of them to that 350RWHP goal.

I got 320rwhp with just a Borla Catback. After LT's, y-pipe, lid, and cutout I should be 340-350rwhp, hopefully 350. Then I'll be off to get a custom dyno tune which may put me up to 360-370rwhp.

[Mr. Luos]

I got 320rwhp with just a Borla Catback. After LT's, y-pipe, lid, and cutout I should be 340-350rwhp, hopefully 350. Then I'll be off to get a custom dyno tune which may put me up to 360-370rwhp.
I gained 13 RWHP with an LS6 intake and longtubes. :wall:

The LS1 doesn't respond great to bolt-ons...until you throw in a cam.

[mrsracing]

I don't know what the LM1 sounds like. Like someone said earlier I'll likely drive it through the summer with just a tint on the windows and possibly an exhaust. I'll look at other options as time comes along. I have a friend with a BlackBird stock and if my car performed anywhere like that I would be thrilled. Keep the feedback coming I'm interested in hearing about suggestions, things to look at and look out for.

[Mr. Luos]

Blackbird's were basicly bolt on cars. Minus headers.
337 horsepower to the rear wheels

[mrsracing]

Car is great and I personally don't need any more power, etc. than what it makes. This is an 02 and has the 385 hp label on the RamAir. It has been on a dyno and made a little more than 400 hp.

[Mr. Luos]

Car is great and I personally don't need any more power, etc. than what it makes. This is an 02 and has the 385 hp label on the RamAir. It has been on a dyno and made a little more than 400 hp.
So it isn't stock?
Blackbirds made roughly 340 at the wheels on dyno's.

Or are you refering to your car?

[mrsracing]

No this is a Carl Black GMMG 1 of 2 cars made for 2002 labeled and documented. The Carl Black car came with an exhaust system, under pulleys, suspension and other goodies. THis particular car is bone stock. The car I'm picking up tomorrow is a WS6 and it's stock and also a 2002.

[Mr. Luos]

Not to burst his bubble...but there were a total of 50 BlackBirds made.
Only 50 Black Birds were produced. Each car´s number is displayed on the windshield and rear view mirror, and is stamped on the engine and exhaust manifold. The Black Bird was only offered as a complete package, and only from Carl Black.

There are at least 3 on this site...
http://www.firebirdgallery.com/carlblacklot1.htm

[PontiacFan]

2002 already has the LS6 intake which will support well over 400hp.

Airlid swap, Longtubes/Y, Cam, & a tune for an M6 car. Clutch upgrade also possible.
If it's an A4-auto car, then add a stall converter also to reap the benefits of the mods.
Catback possible also, but not absolutely necessary. A 'cut-out' can be beneficial instead.

That'll be enough to get ya stated & bitten by the 'mod' bug.

By the way, ..., Is it 'Mrs Racing', or Mr. S. Racing'?!? :lol:

[Hurley711]

are we talking high 300 to 400 RWHP or crank? becasue 400 at the crank is about 330 at the wheels that can be achived with a LS6 intake, catback, and Long tube headers. A good tune also helps.

He already has a LS6 intake

[Hurley711]

I am new to cars and new to these cars. I am picking up a 02 TransAm WS6 tomorrow with 35K miles which is bone stock. I don't need the fastest car on the road but was curious of what mod's are a must and what kind of HP you can get from them. My initial thoughts are exhaust, intake, headers, window tint. I would like to get high 300's in hp to 400. This is strictly a play car for me but I want it to be able to be a daily driver in realiability, etc.

Anything specific I should look out for when seeing the car tomorrow? Already done Carfax, have dozen pictures, 2 hrs of conversations, etc. Feedback and info would be much appreciated! Thanks!

Aftermarket air lid, LT headers and catback of your choice. Check out LS1sounds.com, GREAT site for you to listen to diff exhaust setups on our cars. How much are you looking to spend?? I would personally add some suspension mods first to put the power to the ground. Aftermarket LCA and SFC really help these cars out as far as reducing wheelhop and bodyflex.

[Hawk23]

My 2000 made 332rwhp (in 98 degree weather) with Mac mids through Magnaflow cats, lid, and the stock slp catback that came with the Firehawk. And a tune. It's an A4, so at 20% loss, that's 415 to the crank. 400 crank is very easy with these cars. I'm assuming you mean rwhp, though. That costs a little more. Only $5000 more to go and that H/C/I package is mine!

[INMY01TA]

I got 320rwhp with just a Borla Catback. After LT's, y-pipe, lid, and cutout I should be 340-350rwhp, hopefully 350. Then I'll be off to get a custom dyno tune which may put me up to 360-370rwhp.I want some of what you're smoking.

[BULLET_WS6]

I am yet to see one. :dunno:

Most cars with bolt-ons look at 335-345 RWHP. Tuning should get some of them to that 350RWHP goal.

my old car... ps lt's, y, lm2, lid... and that was my only mods... no tune... 353rwhp 366 ft lbs

[fbird777]

I want some of what you're smoking.

Just got off the dyno after headers, lid, y-pipe, and cutout. I made 343rwhp which is a 23rwhp gain. We will see what happens when I get a custom dyno tune.:yup:

[fbird777]

my old car... ps lt's, y, lm2, lid... and that was my only mods... no tune... 353rwhp 366 ft lbs

With a tune you would have definatley broke the 360rwhp mark.

[BULLET_WS6]

With a tune you would have definatley broke the 360rwhp mark.

possibly.. but its fate is in someone elses hands right now

[Cali Night Stalker]

Basically full bolt-on for 400+ RWHP or u could go the easy way with a 75shot of Nitrous! Sense u got the 02 WS6 u already have the LS6 manifold an extra 15 rwhp than any other T/A.

[Mr. Luos]

Generous dynos.

[Zaccagnini]

How much did you pay for your car Mrsracing?

It's funny I read this because I just picked mine up, with 36k :P It's an 02 as well, but it's black, not sure what yours is (:

It's an a4, one owner, now 2 ;) but it was completely stock as well, ws6 and I got it for 12k cash.

[INMY01TA]

Just got off the dyno after headers, lid, y-pipe, and cutout. I made 343rwhp which is a 23rwhp gain. We will see what happens when I get a custom dyno tune.:yup:
Generous dynos. Exactly. You can make a dyno say whatever. No bolt on cars are makin >350 rwhp around here. Period. If he shows me timeslip showing mph>117 then maybe I'll believe it.

[BULLET_WS6]

Generous dynos.

Exactly. You can make a dyno say whatever. No bolt on cars are makin >350 rwhp around here. Period. If he shows me timeslip showing mph>117 then maybe I'll believe it.

yes you can make dyno's say anything.. but you cant make the track spit out low numbers... and i ran a 8.11:dot: on just header back and lid... so yeahhhhh lol

[Zaccagnini]

What about cam + headers + intake?

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/ECS-LS3-CORVETTE---CAM-ONLY-10845-12858_160861.htm

Haha

[INMY01TA]

yes you can make dyno's say anything.. but you cant make the track spit out low numbers... and i ran a 8.11:dot: on just header back and lid... so yeahhhhh lolWhich translates to about a mid 12 second run. Not unheard of at all. You're obviously a good driver, doesn't mean your cars some kind of factory freak.

[Spaz]

I am yet to see one. :dunno:

Most cars with bolt-ons look at 335-345 RWHP. Tuning should get some of them to that 350RWHP goal.

:sillyme: yeah... it was dyno tuned...

[Hurley711]

With just a lid, and a "Billy Mays Tornado" in my intake I dynoed 535 RWHP. I'd post the dyno sheet but I lost it.

[JHayesLS1]

My old 02 made 352RWHP and 350RWTQ with QTP headers, y-pipe, SLP LM2, lid, and a tune of course. If you have a M6 get 4.11's too :)

[Hawk23]

With just a lid, and a "Billy Mays Tornado" in my intake I dynoed 535 RWHP. I'd post the dyno sheet but I lost it.

Put a few stickers on it and you should be around 1000hp

[Mr. Luos]

With just a lid, and a "Billy Mays Tornado" in my intake I dynoed 535 RWHP. I'd post the dyno sheet but I lost it.
Boy did I ever go about modding wrong. :(

[mrsracing]

To answer a few questions. The GMMG Blackbird you are correct there are 50 made for the year however there are only 2 Black Convertibles which he has 1 of 2. I've looked at several others than have been for sale and realize there are 49 more that year. I'm not bragging on his car just telling you what it is.

I picked my car up yesterday paid $16.5 for it. It is stock with the exception of a Flowmaster full system exhaust. Very clean, tight and is fun to drive. I have been getting alot of love in the last day around town.

My screen name comes from a acronym for M. R. S. Racing it is not Mr. S Racing or Mrs Racing.

Glad to be part of the LS1 family now and looking forward to having many good times with this car. I'll post pictures up once I get some.

[Mr. Luos]

Oh yeah!!!! Let's see it!

Congrats as well.

[TmaxicanA]

with LT's/Y self-ported T/B 3k stall, and a shift kit i dyno'd 145 HP
and ran a 14.7 at 99 MPH.



(i had a bad dream a few nights ago-.-)

[Obsession]

What is this thing I see on E-bay...a chip that can add 70 hP and add 25 mpg...I think that is a load of BS...has anyone used these chips?

[INMY01TA]

What is this thing I see on E-bay...a chip that can add 70 hP and add 25 mpg...I think that is a load of BS...has anyone used these chips?
our cars don't have chips.

[02blackbirdws6]

What is this thing I see on E-bay...a chip that can add 70 hP and add 25 mpg...I think that is a load of BS...has anyone used these chips?

yeah they suck, i bought one for a penny with a 50 cent shipping fee, i think my mpg got worse and it seemed slower :sillyme: , so they suck you are correct