Aftermarket Rear....

[QtrWhore]

what is the most absolute bullet proof :ar: *gorilla proof* :flex:rear end out there for the 98-02 F body...i have blown up my stock 10 bolt 3 damn times now...and am not breakin 400rwhp...heres my list of boo-boos..:giveup:

1 set bent axles...replaced with moser forged 28 splined
ta girdle installed
2x auburn pro series diffs..grenaded spider gears...
2x sets of 3:73 gears motive and richmond ..grenaded back to stockers..

i will hopefully be making mid 400+numbers hp/tq and with the spray look to be about 700 ish..i need something that is NOT going to $HIT on me...

[Mr. Luos]

Moser 9"

[QtrWhore]

what spline axles? what diff? what kind of gears? should i list up my suspention mods too? would that help?

[rapter34]

m6 go 4.11 I went 31 spline should be pletty. but if your the parinoid type you could get what is it a 40? the higher spline you go the stronger it is but you can't have posi with anything over 31

[Mr. Luos]

what spline axles? what diff? what kind of gears? should i list up my suspention mods too? would that help?
I went with a TruTrac diff. 31 spline axles.

Plan on launching on the bottle?? Might want to go locker with 33 or larger splined axles.

[QtrWhore]

i thought the SD60 was the baddest rear out there? and no i will not launch off the bottle..hopefully i can make enough tq down low i wont need to...and the car will be driven on the street too ..so that eliminates the spool

[Mr. Luos]

Not a fan of the torque arm mounts on the Dana or the 12 bolt.

If you are launching off the bottle...TruTrac with 31 spline axles.

[QtrWhore]

well so far i am gathering that this would be the best rear...

M9 /with TruTrac/ with 31 spline axles/ 4:10 gears is that gorilla proof?

[Z28collection]

definitley 9 inch with an M6 and a 12 bolt or a 60 for an A4.

[rapter34]

pretty much for a mostly street car. and it would be 4.11's :) no big differance but that what the 9" has.

[QtrWhore]

do the M9's come with 3:90 gears? would like to keep some streetabilty right? i am not building a track only warrior here..

[Mr. Luos]

do the M9's come with 3:90 gears? would like to keep some streetabilty right? i am not building a track only warrior here..
The M9 is a different housing than a 9".

I have a car I consider to be mostly street...and I have 4.11's. 75MPH is 2,000RPM in 6th gear.

[QtrWhore]

yea i was hoping to keep 85 mph and about 1500 rpms...thats why i got a 6 spd car...maby when i get tick performance to rebuild it they can do something w/ the gearing? w/ the price of gas and the dreams of a power tour........

[Mr. Luos]

yea i was hoping to keep 85 mph and about 1500 rpms...thats why i got a 6 spd car...maby when i get tick performance to rebuild it they can do something w/ the gearing? w/ the price of gas and the dreams of a power tour........
With 3.42's (stock) you are spinning 1850RPM at 85MPH.
With 3.73's you are spinning 2050RPM at 85MPH.
With 4.11's you are spinning 2250RPM at 85MPH.

[QtrWhore]

will that rear end i listed above hold the hp/tq i am looking to make all motor and then on the juice as well? and what brand of gears would you all recommend?

[Mr. Luos]

Do NOT rebuild a 10 bolt.

Moser 9"
It is a complete bolt in rear end.

[Johns00Z28]

I thought there were problems with the Moser torque arm bolts? Or is that just on the 12 bolt?

[shady milkman]

the new m9's look really nice and i guess their t/a are pretty sweet...look into the m9 or ford 9"

[QtrWhore]

first off..no damn ford parts for my bird..lol...and i have already bulletproofed my damn 10 bolt for the last time..forged axles, girdle, gears, centerchunk...thats why i am shoppin for a different rear now

[shady milkman]

fair enough...get the m9 then..based off the ford 9" but isnt considered a ford 9"

[INMY01TA]

Most bullet proof rear imo is the Moser 9 with Detriot Locker.

[shady milkman]

Most bullet proof rear imo is the Moser 9 with Detriot Locker.

i agree....i learned my lesson last time we argued about that :chuckles:

[QtrWhore]

so then that rear will hold what ever i throw at it up to 800Hp?

[shady milkman]

m9 and 9"

[rapter34]

so then that rear will hold what ever i throw at it up to 800Hp?

yes it will but you have to decide if you still want posi or a locker. Lockers are stronger but less streetable. not sure how much the trutrac posi can take but im sure its quite a bit. Mr.Lous is running it.

[QtrWhore]

i think that true trac diff is going to be my best bet as the car will be driven on the street weather permitting...heard a lot of negative stuff about lockers on the street...

[QtrWhore]

best offer i have gotten is a SD60 w/ all the goodies for $2300 shipped.....

[ibanez7]

Burkhart chassis is the best
http://www.burkhartchassis.com/


I went with the Strange Dana s60, easier step.. just install and drive.

[Mr. Luos]

best offer i have gotten is a SD60 w/ all the goodies for $2300 shipped.....
Not bad.

I would spend the extra $100 for the Moser 9" though. As solid as the casing is on the D60...the 9" is stronger. Neither will have issues breaking, my concern is the torque arm mounts. The 9" will NOT bend/bow while doing stupid shit like donuts. :lol:
D60 shouldn't either, but the way the TA mounts...it could.

[gotmeone]

Mr.Luos were is a good place to get the Moser 9" . I was looking on exotic performance plus for everything i need it will cost $3050 is that a good price or is it a bit high.What's anyone else think.

[rapter34]

I got mine at EPP very good deal fast delivery course I paid a littel extra got all the goodies. Figure If im going to spend the money might as well make it what i want.

[gotmeone]

Rapter,If you don't mind what all did you get on yours and around what price.I was looking at 31spline,trutrac,lca lowering welded in,sway bar mounts,and 4channel abs.

[gotmeone]

o and does anyone now if i should get a new drive shaft with it or will the stock one hold up to alot of hp/tq by the end of summer i should have 650-700 rwhp.

[Mr. Luos]

Mr.Luos were is a good place to get the Moser 9" . I was looking on exotic performance plus for everything i need it will cost $3050 is that a good price or is it a bit high.What's anyone else think.
That is where I got mine.
But I went 2 channel TruTrac. $2400 to my door.
The only thing I wish I would have added would be the drain and fill plugs.

[rapter34]

Rapter,If you don't mind what all did you get on yours and around what price.I was looking at 31spline,trutrac,lca lowering welded in,sway bar mounts,and 4channel abs.


I got it with alunmium center, 4 way, trutrac posi, powder coated black, 31 spline for I think $2800 about. The sway bar and LCA I can add later adn I was kind of out of money. lol

[gotmeone]

Mr.Luos do you know how much hp/tq the stock driveshaft should be good to or should i get there's for $400 thats rated to 1000 hp.

[Mr. Luos]

Mr.Luos do you know how much hp/tq the stock driveshaft should be good to or should i get there's for $400 thats rated to 1000 hp.
It depends on how hard you shock it.
I replaced mine at 530RWHP...knowing I was looking for 1.6 short times. With an M6.

[gotmeone]

i thought it came with the drain and fiil plugs.

[gotmeone]

:think:

[rapter34]

its a free option did you just forget to get it Mr. Luos?

Got it on mine.

[Mr. Luos]

its a free option did you just forget to get it Mr. Luos?

Got it on mine.
Not sure it was 2 1/2 years ago. :dunno:
If it was...I forgot. :lol:

[Spaz]

i thought the SD60 was the baddest rear out there? and no i will not launch off the bottle..hopefully i can make enough tq down low i wont need to...and the car will be driven on the street too ..so that eliminates the spool

currently the moser M9 is superior to the dana S60...

[QtrWhore]

yea and have you seen the price on a M9 compared to a SD60? i should be able to swing the $2300 shipped for the sd60..but an M9 is friggin spensive..with the aluminum center chunk and other little stuff...hell i might just put up a sponsor only post and have em post up their best prices on the M9, SD60 and see who has got the deal goin on...

[gotmeone]

Hey guys when you purchase the m9 it has 4channel abs with or without reluctor rings. I heard you can reuse your reluctor rings what are they and do they have to be pressed out or something.

[Spaz]

yea and have you seen the price on a M9 compared to a SD60? i should be able to swing the $2300 shipped for the sd60..but an M9 is friggin spensive..with the aluminum center chunk and other little stuff...hell i might just put up a sponsor only post and have em post up their best prices on the M9, SD60 and see who has got the deal goin on...


don't forget with the dana S60 you will need a shorter drive shaft so you are better off ordering thier chromoly one from them while you are at it...

[Mr. Luos]

M9 > 9" > D60 > 12 bolt

[INMY01TA]

The stock driveshaft is junk, yes you want a new one.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j311/INMY01TA/100_0076-1.jpg

[QtrWhore]

holy freakin crap@!!! wtf torque are you putting down? 60 ft times? jesus crimminy...

[INMY01TA]

Doesn't take much on ET Streets with a kevlar clutch to break a stocker. Back then 60ft times were like 1.7Xs.

[shady milkman]

The stock driveshaft is junk, yes you want a new one.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j311/INMY01TA/100_0076-1.jpg

jeeesus christ *mr.slave voice*

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/Minckey/Cheese/Mr_Slave.jpg

[Mr. Luos]

Another hit or miss part.
I have cut 1.67 short times on my stocker, which happens to be in one piece on my garage floor.

[shady milkman]

Another hit or miss part.
I have cut 1.67 short times on my stocker, which happens to be in one piece on my garage floor.

what part of your car hasn't been laying on your garage floor at one time or another...maybe besides your sound system..or steering system :lol:

[Mr. Luos]

what part of your car hasn't been laying on your garage floor at one time or another...maybe besides your sound system..or steering system :lol:
Valid point. :lol:

[QtrWhore]

so far i think i am going to have to go with an SD60...it comes complete ready to bolt in and go for $2300 shipped...and in my book that aint too shabby..

[QtrWhore]

unless somebody can beat that deal? anybody?

[QtrWhore]

but do i have to buy a new drive shaft if i get the SD60?

[01 T/A]

i think you do but not 100%. i would have to say just go with what Mr.Luos has. if it works for him it will work for any thing you can do to it.:lmao:

[QtrWhore]

yea but i don thave thatkind of money to dump in it tho lol...and if its not gorilla proof then i have my doubts!!

[01 T/A]

well good luck with what you pic llet me know how it gos a new rear is in my sone to be mod list. by the way Mr. Luos how do you like the tru trak in yours and how is it holding up with the street and strip use you put it tru?