Ok,the color by number steps to 400 hp?

[BAndit111]

Hi,i am new here,and contemplating getting a ws6.

Is there any way i could convince someone to itemize and possibly approx price the mods needed for 400 hp to the wheels?I own a mustang,so this is a bit foriegn to me as to what to do and in what order?Can the average joe do the mods with basic mech skills?How tool friendly are these cars?Like changing plugs and all that?

[Danger731]

spray a 75 shot

[BAndit111]

I see.Well,i'd like to have it all engine.I should have said that.And things too like i read the stock shocks are pretty bad?I have a fair assortment of tools and jacks,and just want a good picture of how to proceed.:)

[02cetransam]

pro charger

[1flynDO]

The procharger will net you 500+ HP at the wheels with 8PSI. Try LT, Y,cat back and a lid, filter and a good tune. This would be a good start. You can do it cheap or you can do it right. The procharger will run you in the area of 8500.00 installed with a tune. That will include the SPEC stage 3 clutch. You will still need SFC.

[Kup98ss]

Basic bolt ons first.
LTheaders
Ypipe
catback
Lid
That should get you around 400hp at the motor.
Not 400rwp but it gets you closer.

[BAndit111]

Thanks,i think my main goal is that i don't end up "wasting" any earlier mods and do it right from the start.The one i am looking at is an auto,and i am concerned about any tranny/rear end limitations as well.Will they hold up to 400,and i would guess no to the procharger setup?

[Kup98ss]

don't forget to get a dyno tune after the header install.

[1flynDO]

As long as you dont run slicks, ET drags........ the rear should be fine with a procharger. The tires will break loose before the rear end ie the weakest link. The intake and exhaust with a tune make a big difference. I will be selling my CAI from SLP with 1 new KN filter in mid July for 150.00. I will be getting the D1SC porcharger instead of an LS7.

[tigersport14]

ls6 intake manifold, LT headers, throttle body, true duals =) and a tune, then get a cam, and youll be putting down more than 400

[Cali Night Stalker]

I got a 02 WS6, Voolant intake, full exhaust, pullys, fuel rail and injectors and all the free mods. Spent about $1,200 and got 394hp 391tq with a tune not bad huh :thumbup:

[RandomOmen]

WHAT! That's rediculous! Those must be dynojet #s

[Cali Night Stalker]

WHAT! That's rediculous! Those must be dynojet #s
:true: Stock dyno at 327hp 339tq dnt know wats wrong wit ur ride but with the mods i got u should have about the same #'s. All 01, 02 WS6 have LS6 stock manifolds and dyno at about 320-330hp and 330-350tq stock!:D

[RandomOmen]

Like I said you must be talking dynojet numbers, not mustang dyno numbers

[Bottesini]

Like I said you must be talking dynojet numbers, not mustang dyno numbers

Even dynojet those type of numbers typically need a cam. The dyno is such a loose measuring device it is really only at its most useful as a tuning tool. What really matters is how well the car moves out :)

[c5z28]

exhaust and intake are biggies, if you get the cam with it, 400whp no problem, again depends if you want to do things right.

[BAndit111]

Ya,i wanna do it right,even if that meant the more expensive mods first.I would go so far as to say i would stay stock for F/I if that would end up being cheaper in the long run.Could you actually do that and stay in one controllable piece?lol.Man,i'm dizzy from reading.I have alot to learn.:)

[c5z28]

Ya,i wanna do it right,even if that meant the more expensive mods first.I would go so far as to say i would stay stock for F/I if that would end up being cheaper in the long run.Could you actually do that and stay in one controllable piece?lol.Man,i'm dizzy from reading.I have alot to learn.:)

How many miles you have? If you got the money go for it, but hardly anyone on this site does. forced induction is usually the last thing you do. If you blow it you need exhaust to breathe, possibly rebuild heads and clean up the bore new forged pistons etc. Then you need to get a new rearend unless you baby it, and no one does, and then you need suspension tires and gears to hook it up right. Its a bad domino effect unless you won the lotto, I sound like a broken record but the best thing to do is intake and exhaust, and if you want that 400+whp you need a cam. However if you want a 12 second car get some 373's, its cheaper than full exhaust and is still street driveable. Go to the track look at what people got, its a fun way to learn and it gets you off your ass wishin and gets you to interact with people who push in the right direction. Totally different enviornment at the track.:vodka:

[randybird]

If you have a little more $ start with a Firehawk, 345 Hp vs. the 315 Hp on the WS6. You can convert the LS1 to an LS6 with a head (243 castings) and cam change and just use the LS6 stock yellow springs and add the SLP 1.85 rockers. I hand ported and polished my heads, that was the hardest and most time consuming part. Be careful though the heads have thin water jackets. You can get used parts for around $500 or $600 if you look around. It's possible to change them out with the motor left in the car. Wear long sleeved shirt and gloves though, it'll cut you up. Then just do the normal bolt ons, headers, under-drive pulley balancer, smooth belows, high-flow MAF sensor, air lid, port and polish the throttle body, throttle body bypass, and tune. you can do a lot with a good tune. You can alway add the protection parts to be safe like, a high capacity radiator, 160°F thermostat, fan control switch, double roller timing chain. That will put some power to the back wheels. I'm afraid to add frame stiffeners and torque arms to mine. When the Firestone Firehawks were still good the rear end felt like it was coming unglued. There are lots more good things you can do to the LS1 though, it depends on how far you want to go. Good luck, sorry I'm so long winded :sarge:

[Bottesini]

This would be my suggestion for getting to the magic 400 mark with a 2001-2002 Fbody, or at least very close. Of course all the prices I am listing are just ballparks (only listing part cost not labor to install), and you can save alot of money buying used parts.

If your car is older then 2001 you will want an LS6 intake $300-450

Lid $50-100

Long tube headers $200 - 1200 (mostly depends on if you want stainless or not)

Exhaust $500-750 (I prefer getting custom true duals if you can find a good shop)

Cam $400-500 (I prefer a milder cam since mine is a daily driver 226/228 .585/.588 LSA 112, get a LSA of 114 for a smoother idle) Lots of great cam choices to pick from

With the cam you will need:
Springs $255 (Patriot Gold Double Springs, should be more then enough for most cams)

Tune $400-500

While you are doing a cam you might as well get:

LS6 ported and shimmed oil pump $125-150

LS2 timing chain $75-150


This should put you right around 400RWHP with a M6. Granted each car is different and results may vary, but should be close.

To make the car hook up well and stay in one piece you will need to upgrade:

Rear end $2400-3000

For manuals the clutch $400-700

I am not to sure on how well the autos are holding up to this kind of power, but I am sure someone will chime in. I have also left out the little things like spark plugs, gaskets, filters, etc mostly because I am lazy and it will depend on how your vehicle.

[Zedicous]

Basic bolt ons first.
LTheaders
Ypipe
catback
Lid
That should get you around 400hp at the motor.
Not 400rwp but it gets you closer.

Add a head and cam package and that'll do it..

[1flynDO]

Thunder racing has a package with AFR heads and a cam called the cheater package a couple little extra mods 394 RWHP. The package is 2500-2700.00ish if you install.

[Zedicous]

Thunder racing has a package with AFR heads and a cam called the cheater package a couple little extra mods 394 RWHP. The package is 2500-2700.00ish if you install.

I've seen a few cars at TR and i find them impressive, the actually sound stock at idle..Makes for a real nice sleeper.

[Kup98ss]

Thunder racing has a package with AFR heads and a cam called the cheater package a couple little extra mods 394 RWHP. The package is 2500-2700.00ish if you install.

for some reason I can't find them on the sight. Have a link?

[Zedicous]

for some reason I can't find them on the sight. Have a link?

You should call and speak to Sean, he has a specific package for the fbodies that puts out more power, a nicely fine tuned setup. Tellem Ed sent ya...

[BAndit111]

Really appreciate all the info.I feel better oriented now.Now,to sell the mustang which is in process as i speak and spend alot of time taking off parts,lol-

[Speed Psychosis]

And things too like i read the stock shocks are pretty bad?

they're better than a mustang's. mustangs are very badly balanced and have crappy suspension.

[cobrakiller99]

i just got my exhaust in and i didnt get a y pipe installed. did i make a mistake on that? and if i did get it installed would it give me more horse power or make my computer run in limp mode? and i want to get around 400 in the motor.

[c5z28]

i just got my exhaust in and i didnt get a y pipe installed. did i make a mistake on that? and if i did get it installed would it give me more horse power or make my computer run in limp mode? and i want to get around 400 in the motor.

Are you running stock y pipe or are you looking for true duals? if you want more power get the true duals. Otherwise if you keep the styock y pipe your just not going to flow as well if you were to get the bigger pipes.

[blackbirdbrain89]

ok i have free mods slp lid bellow 160 stat and magnaflow with a alum flywheel. im making 348hp to the wheels if i delete my egr,smog pump, get lt headers and off road y pipe with a good tune my car would make over 400 to the wheels. also note my stock clutch was sliping from hots spots and would not grab form 4k drop then i upgraded it and then i took it to the track ran a 12.9 and then the next run i broke my left axle....... boy did i find all the f body week sopts ... also note that i bent my 3/4 gear shift fork 2 weeks aftel i fixed my axle. but good news i have all the week spots fixed

[1flynDO]

Just google Thunder racing. Look under f bodies and look at valvetrain.

[c5z28]

ok i have free mods slp lid bellow 160 stat and magnaflow with a alum flywheel. im making 348hp to the wheels if i delete my egr,smog pump, get lt headers and off road y pipe with a good tune my car would make over 400 to the wheels. also note my stock clutch was sliping from hots spots and would not grab form 4k drop then i upgraded it and then i took it to the track ran a 12.9 and then the next run i broke my left axle....... boy did i find all the f body week sopts ... also note that i bent my 3/4 gear shift fork 2 weeks aftel i fixed my axle. but good news i have all the week spots fixed

:bounce: I got some news for you it has 10 bolts, damn close to the axle and is the next thing you will break! Its your 10 bolt rearend:sillyme:, you havent gotten out of the woods yet.:true:

[Y2KPewterSS]

ok i have free mods slp lid bellow 160 stat and magnaflow with a alum flywheel. im making 348hp to the wheels if i delete my egr,smog pump, get lt headers and off road y pipe with a good tune my car would make over 400 to the wheels. also note my stock clutch was sliping from hots spots and would not grab form 4k drop then i upgraded it and then i took it to the track ran a 12.9 and then the next run i broke my left axle....... boy did i find all the f body week sopts ... also note that i bent my 3/4 gear shift fork 2 weeks aftel i fixed my axle. but good news i have all the week spots fixed

You won't be making near 400 RWHP with those mods.

[INMY01TA]

I got a 02 WS6, Voolant intake, full exhaust, pullys, fuel rail and injectors and all the free mods. Spent about $1,200 and got 394hp 391tq with a tune not bad huh :thumbup:
:bs: Not rear wheel horsepower. I assume you mean flywheel horsepower. Still not sure where you came up with those #s as I know they didn't pull the motor and put it on an engine dyno for $1,200. :hmm:

[BAndit111]

ok i have free mods slp lid bellow 160 stat and magnaflow with a alum flywheel. im making 348hp to the wheels if i delete my egr,smog pump, get lt headers and off road y pipe with a good tune my car would make over 400 to the wheels. also note my stock clutch was sliping from hots spots and would not grab form 4k drop then i upgraded it and then i took it to the track ran a 12.9 and then the next run i broke my left axle....... boy did i find all the f body week sopts ... also note that i bent my 3/4 gear shift fork 2 weeks aftel i fixed my axle. but good news i have all the week spots fixed

Guys,i am stuck between an auto and a manual.I have to decide soon.Very.Can you just straight up tell me which one would hold together better?I am sorta leaning towards an auto and adding a stall and such.I want the least breakage to 400 tho,really,but i would like to be able to beat on it a bit and not be scared as with my t-5 manual to get a lil rough-:)

[Spaz]

put a LS6 crate engine in it and have it dyno tuned... :D

[Spaz]

Guys,i am stuck between an auto and a manual.I have to decide soon.Very.Can you just straight up tell me which one would hold together better?I am sorta leaning towards an auto and adding a stall and such.I want the least breakage to 400 tho,really,but i would like to be able to beat on it a bit and not be scared as with my t-5 manual to get a lil rough-:)

if your main concern is drag racing then go with a A4... i love to drive my M6 but i wish that it was a auto at the track so i could net a better time...

[Cali Night Stalker]

:bs: Not rear wheel horsepower. I assume you mean flywheel horsepower. Still not sure where you came up with those #s as I know they didn't pull the motor and put it on an engine dyno for $1,200. :hmm:

HAhahah not flywheel sorry. And yea it was a MUSTANG DYNO i went about a week ago. Intake, Throttle body,spark plug wires,LT Headers,true duals,pulleys,fuel rail,injectors,free mods and o yeah water pump. I kill the 04 Cobras n raced a new Vette n barely beat it how are the #'s wrong, SLP has a 400hp package that has alot less then wat i got. :wtf: Might be the new clutch and built Tranny!!

[INMY01TA]

HAhahah not flywheel sorry. And yea it was a MUSTANG DYNO i went about a week ago. Intake, Throttle body,spark plug wires,LT Headers,true duals,pulleys,fuel rail,injectors,free mods and o yeah water pump. I kill the 04 Cobras n raced a new Vette n barely beat it how are the #'s wrong, SLP has a 400hp package that has alot less then wat i got. :wtf: Might be the new clutch and built Tranny!!Well that's one extremely generous dyno. (still calling BS) Most cam only cars don't make 400rwhp. I'd like to get my car on that dyno. LOL

[Mr. Luos]

SLP has a 400hp package that has alot less then wat i got.
SLP has some seriously bloated claims. And they are flywheel numbers, not at the wheels.


SLP = complete and utter shit

[RandomOmen]

I think we're being yanked around here. I call shenanigans.

[Cali Night Stalker]

So u guys are sayin that a 02 LS1 that usualy dyno at 315hp stock cant make 80 more hp with full bolt-ons if it dnt have a cam????

[c5z28]

Sure if you count heads as a bolt on. besides 315 horsepower is at crank not rear wheels. Sure is faster than your 265 (crank) in a gt though, huh?

[Mr. Luos]

So u guys are sayin that a 02 LS1 that usualy dyno at 315hp stock cant make 80 more hp with full bolt-ons if it dnt have a cam????
Yes.

[Speed Psychosis]

there arent many cars that can gain a good 80 whp without forced induction, nitrous, or internals. maybe something like a mercedes thats tuned to be quiet...

[BAndit111]

This is throwing me a bit.Are the numbers i see around here using sae smoothing?I understand there is a difference between a mustang dyno and a dynojet dyno,but used to seeing sae numbers regardless...

[Bottesini]

This is throwing me a bit.Are the numbers i see around here using sae smoothing?I understand there is a difference between a mustang dyno and a dynojet dyno,but used to seeing sae numbers regardless...

I can not say for the others, but when I talk about HP I mean corrected HP. Only way we can remotely compare HP numbers over the net. :yup:

[Cali Night Stalker]

Sure if you count heads as a bolt on. besides 315 horsepower is at crank not rear wheels. Sure is faster than your 265 (crank) in a gt though, huh?

315hp at the crank please its a WS6 not a Z28 would like to race u some day i live in the bay area 2:cali:

[Mr. Luos]

315hp at the crank please its a WS6 not a Z28 would like to race u some day i live in the bay area 2:cali:
WS6 = Z28 = T/A = Formula = ANY LS1 car.

They all dyno the same.

[INMY01TA]

315hp at the crank please its a WS6 not a Z28 would like to race u some day i live in the bay area 2:cali:Mr. Luos is right. Don't think you know what you're talkn bout. :true:

[Cali Night Stalker]

Mr. Luos is right. Don't think you know what you're talkn bout. :true:

Dam u guys relly are dumb if that was true why they make the Camaro SS and why do i always beat the Z28 no problem even wen i was stock:sillyme: but no arguing wit u guys cuz u know it all, i just wish u lived near me so we can handle this in a race.

[Mr. Luos]

Dam u guys relly are dumb if that was true why they make the Camaro SS and why do i always beat the Z28 no problem even wen i was stock:sillyme: but no arguing wit u guys cuz u know it all, i just wish u lived near me so we can handle this in a race.
Wow. The irony.
Not to mention the grammar. :lmao:

Open up and realize the LS1 is an LS1.

[INMY01TA]

Dam u guys relly are dumb if that was true why they make the Camaro SS and why do i always beat the Z28 no problem even wen i was stock:sillyme: but no arguing wit u guys cuz u know it all, i just wish u lived near me so we can handle this in a race.Mr. Luos has a WS6. Why would he downplay it? :screwy: By the way. What's your car run?

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

Dam u guys relly are dumb if that was true why they make the Camaro SS and why do i always beat the Z28 no problem even wen i was stock:sillyme: but no arguing wit u guys cuz u know it all, i just wish u lived near me so we can handle this in a race.


I guess the used car dealers and advertising are always right. Especially a street race.:jerkit:

[c5z28]

315hp at the crank please its a WS6 not a Z28 would like to race u some day i live in the bay area 2:cali:

Hey I go to infineon on weds nights you want to race you know where to find me.:whip:

[INMY01TA]

By the way. What's your car run?Yeah that's what I thought! :loser: :Owned:

[cobrakiller99]

there definitely a difference between a ws6 and a formula. i have a ws6 and my friend has a formula and the ws6 picks up much quicker than the formula. i have driven both. there wouldnt be a point to make a ws6 and a formula if they were the same. i mean they both hae the 5.7 liter but there is definitely something different.

[egod]

^like they said all ls1, the difference might be the suspension or the exhaust or the ram air. All of those do not affect the dyno am i right. They might perform better on the street but the motor is a motor is a motor. I haven't had my t/a long, but i have been reading all i can on them, so i am not putting anybody down, but i think that is what Luos and some of the others are saying.

[Mr. Luos]

there definitely a difference between a ws6 and a formula. i have a ws6 and my friend has a formula and the ws6 picks up much quicker than the formula. i have driven both. there wouldnt be a point to make a ws6 and a formula if they were the same. i mean they both hae the 5.7 liter but there is definitely something different.
Race them.
Driver's race.


Heads/intake/cam/manifolds/etc are all the EXACT same.

[Bottesini]

^like they said all ls1, the difference might be the suspension or the exhaust or the ram air. All of those do not affect the dyno am i right. They might perform better on the street but the motor is a motor is a motor. I haven't had my t/a long, but i have been reading all i can on them, so i am not putting anybody down, but i think that is what Luos and some of the others are saying.

The only thing that can affect dyno numbers is the difference in exhaust. There are countless things that can make a car run/seem better on the street. In the case of the LS1 cars it can be that some are factory freaks, but it also invovles the tranny, and rear end. A stock M6 and A4 are going to feel very different as will the difference in gearing that these cars came with from the factory. No matter what though all LS1s (from the same year) will engine dyno about the same on average.

[egod]

The only thing that can affect dyno numbers is the difference in exhaust. There are countless things that can make a car run/seem better on the street. In the case of the LS1 cars it can be that some are factory freaks, but it also invovles the tranny, and rear end. A stock M6 and A4 are going to feel very different as will the difference in gearing that these cars came with from the factory. No matter what though all LS1s (from the same year) will engine dyno about the same on average.

yeah i mispoke, the exhaust is the only thing that will affect it on the rollers

[Cali Night Stalker]

No matter what though all LS1s (from the same year) will engine dyno about the same on average.[/QUOTE]

So is the LS1 in a Vette the same as ours or do they have something different(bigger cam, heads)???

[INMY01TA]

So is the LS1 in a Vette the same as ours or do they have something different(bigger cam, heads)???Same heads, cam is slightly different but no bigger. Vette's actually can dyno a little less cause of their independant rear suspension.

http://ourworld.cs.com/jrp98ls1/proofofpower.jpg

[Cali Night Stalker]

Thanks thats some great info! :bravo:

[INMY01TA]

Here's all the stock cam specs.
http://ourworld.cs.com/jrp98ls1/cam+spec+1.jpg

[tigersport14]

I Like Turtles

[INMY01TA]

I Like Turtles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y
:wtcslap:

[egod]

^relavance?

[ananmech]

This would be my suggestion for getting to the magic 400 mark with a 2001-2002 Fbody, or at least very close. Of course all the prices I am listing are just ballparks (only listing part cost not labor to install), and you can save alot of money buying used parts.

If your car is older then 2001 you will want an LS6 intake $300-450

Lid $50-100

Long tube headers $200 - 1200 (mostly depends on if you want stainless or not)

Exhaust $500-750 (I prefer getting custom true duals if you can find a good shop)

Cam $400-500 (I prefer a milder cam since mine is a daily driver 226/228 .585/.588 LSA 112, get a LSA of 114 for a smoother idle) Lots of great cam choices to pick from

With the cam you will need:
Springs $255 (Patriot Gold Double Springs, should be more then enough for most cams)

Tune $400-500

While you are doing a cam you might as well get:

LS6 ported and shimmed oil pump $125-150

LS2 timing chain $75-150


This should put you right around 400RWHP with a M6. Granted each car is different and results may vary, but should be close.

To make the car hook up well and stay in one piece you will need to upgrade:

Rear end $2400-3000

For manuals the clutch $400-700

I am not to sure on how well the autos are holding up to this kind of power, but I am sure someone will chime in. I have also left out the little things like spark plugs, gaskets, filters, etc mostly because I am lazy and it will depend on how your vehicle.

if you don't mind me asking what do you mean by Lid? what is that exactly. I'm new at this i have already installed on my T/A 2001 A4 formula the following:

Pacesetter LT 3" headers
pacesetter Y-pipe
magnaflow Catback
K&N filter
I just wanna know what is the lid you're talking about

[Bottesini]

if you don't mind me asking what do you mean by Lid? what is that exactly. I'm new at this i have already installed on my T/A 2001 A4 formula the following:

Pacesetter LT 3" headers
pacesetter Y-pipe
magnaflow Catback
K&N filter
I just wanna know what is the lid you're talking about

No problem, here is a link that should show you what I am talking about (just scroll down to the bottom).

http://www.thunderracing.com/catalog/?action=vshop&vid=3&pcid=182

If you are patient enough sure you can find some for sale used. If you are lucky you might even have one on your car already.