Supercharged gt mustang?

[lmyers1]

I have a new neighbor how has a nice new gt mustang that has a cowl hood that says "supercharged" and I can hear the charger on it. I'm mostly stock with a lid, and short shifter so I have no illusions of whipping his ass I just was wondering how fast you guys think he really is. Looks good, sounds good, but that doesn't really mean shit...

[N20LT4]

I have a new neighbor how has a nice new gt mustang that has a cowl hood that says "supercharged" and I can hear the charger on it. I'm mostly stock with a lid, and short shifter so I have no illusions of whipping his ass I just was wondering how fast you guys think he really is. Looks good, sounds good, but that doesn't really mean shit...

It depends HIGHLY on the year/model Mustang.

[mogs01gt]

It depends HIGHLY on the year/model Mustang.
and what other mods. Some people just slap on a POS Saleen blower or slap on a Vortech with no other mods.

Could be putting 300rwhp down or it could be 400+.

[JwMonE99]

Get more info on the car

[hutch1999]

and what other mods. Some people just slap on a POS Saleen blower or slap on a Vortech with no other mods.

Could be putting 300rwhp down or it could be 400+.

+1 we need more info

[lmyers1]

2007 is the year and it I haven't seen under the hood however his truck has a Vortech sticker on it so assume its a vortech. I don't know if it has headers but seems to be loud as hell. The guy always plays it kinda smug so he doesn't give too much info.

[BAndit111]

Probably a vortech if it is making a nice whirring noise at idle,almost as if the belt is whining a bit.They tend to do that.All depends what psi he's running and intercooled or not.

[jrc1122]

If it is a blown 07 GT-- you lose-- come on guys that is an easy one.

As much as I love our cars over the GT-- if they add a supercharger to the newest style mustang GT. We lose (with the mods he mentioned)-- Unless the GT driver can't drive.

[N20LT4]

Considering it's a blown '07 GT, I would say don't even race him - I mean, that is if you like to lose. Wait until you do more mods. A cammed LS1 will keep up with/outrun a S197 GT on low to moderate boost.

[2K05GT]

I don't think a cammed LS1 will take a Moderatly boosted S197, wont happen
unless a cammed LS1 can run 11.s or 10's I would think Heads, Cam , Headers
would be a better bet, the LSx love air and they can be nasty when opened up to breath.

Light Bolt-on NA GT's are running Mid to high 12's, with a couple running mid to high 11's to low 12's

http://www.2005stang.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10330/S197Timeslips050708.jpg
http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7

[tigersport14]

so your saying an 05+ mustang GT with intake and exhaust can possibly run 11s or 12s.....:bs:

[BLKCLOUD]

A "bolt-on" GT will run in the 12s with a competent driver, and a few have cracked high 11s (certainly not the norm). Equally-modded, and LS1 will run away from it, but I wouldn't consider it a sure thing. Too many variables.

[N20LT4]

I don't think a cammed LS1 will take a Moderatly boosted S197, wont happen
unless a cammed LS1 can run 11.s or 10's I would think Heads, Cam , Headers
would be a better bet, the LSx love air and they can be nasty when opened up to breath.

Light Bolt-on NA GT's are running Mid to high 12's, with a couple running mid to high 11's to low 12's

http://www.2005stang.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10330/S197Timeslips050708.jpg
http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7

Umm...if I were you, i'd probably think again. Here is a response to your little list of fast Mustangs.

The fastest "cam-only" LS1 on this list is not too far behind the fastest supercharged Mustang your list.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187330

Now what were you saying about a cam-only LS1 not doing what?

[jrc1122]

Umm...if I were you, i'd probably think again. Here is a response to your little list of fast Mustangs.

The fastest "cam-only" LS1 on this list is not too far behind the fastest supercharged Mustang your list.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187330

Now what were you saying about a cam-only LS1 not doing what?

Nice -- :)

[2K05GT]

Umm...if I were you, i'd probably think again. Here is a response to your little list of fast Mustangs.

The fastest "cam-only" LS1 on this list is not too far behind the fastest supercharged Mustang your list.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187330

Now what were you saying about a cam-only LS1 not doing what?

I can see that, all those cars have all bolt ons, gears, weight reduction,, Stalls/clutch Ect.. with just CAM work on the engine. I agree with those times.
But the comment was just CAMS. no one mentioned all bolt on tall gears and so on.

That Little list of Mustangs was from a small forum community with only a 1,583 Members and only 607 Active Members.

[2K05GT]

so your saying an 05+ mustang GT with intake and exhaust can possibly run 11s or 12s.....:bs:

Intake and Tune will get a GT into the 12.8-12.9 territory. Exhaust does nothing to the GT but make it louder. the 2 1/2 inch duels breath quite well.

I have a 2005 Mustang GT Automatic
with Stock Motor and 5R55S Tranny
with the following Mods (Bolt-ons)
JLT II CAI Intake
Steeda UDP
Steeda Charge Motion delete Plates
JBA Long Tube Headers
JBA Catted H Pipe
Spyder Aluminum DS
CHE Lower Control Arms
FRPP 4.10 Gears
SCT 93 Oct Tune from Bamachips
and I run 12.41 @ 109.35 consistantly. with a Stall and better DR's I will be at 11.9 easy.
with Cams and head work, mid to low 11's.

But to get heads and Cams worked on the price will equal the price of a supercharger. so most don't go this route because of cost.

This is my First Ford, all my other cars were GM's I have owned a 1971 455 T/A, 85 Corvette, and I still own the best truck ever made, 2000 Z71 Silverado. but when I had seen the 05 Mustang I just wanted to have it, I loved to look, but wanted it to be faster. I am 45 and have two grand children, so racing was not on my things to do when I bought it.

I am not trying to wave any ford banner here, I am just stating the facts as I know it.

[N20LT4]

Intake and Tune will get a GT into the 12.8-12.9 territory. Exhaust does nothing to the GT but make it louder. the 2 1/2 inch duels breath quite well.

I have a 2005 Mustang GT Automatic
with Stock Motor and 5R55S Tranny
with the following Mods (Bolt-ons)
JLT II CAI Intake
Steeda UDP
Steeda Charge Motion delete Plates
JBA Long Tube Headers
JBA Catted H Pipe
Spyder Aluminum DS
CHE Lower Control Arms
FRPP 4.10 Gears
SCT 93 Oct Tune from Bamachips
and I run 12.41 @ 109.35 consistantly. with a Stall and better DR's I will be at 11.9 easy.
with Cams and head work, mid to low 11's.


Intake and Tune alone is not getting an S197 GT in the 12's on street tires. That's B.S. Here's a more realistic version of a high 12-second S197. This car features more extensive upgrades like "Long-tubes" and "Drag Radials".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0yUGdZB2vA

And the Horsepower TV guys did a cat-back swap on the featured S197 and gained 7.1rwhp on the dyno. That does count as a gain over stock.

12.4@109 is decent...I wen't 12.2@109 W/ full bolt-ons in my old '93 T/A LT1.

[2K05GT]

Intake and Tune alone is not getting an S197 GT in the 12's on street tires. That's B.S. Here's a more realistic version of a high 12-second S197. This car features more extensive upgrades like "Long-tubes" and "Drag Radials".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0yUGdZB2vA

And the Horsepower TV guys did a cat-back swap on the featured S197 and gained 7.1rwhp on the dyno. That does count as a gain over stock.

12.4@109 is decent...I wen't 12.2@109 W/ full bolt-ons in my old '93 T/A LT1.

Dude, why would I lie to you, I have owned my car for three years, I have gone down this path one mod at a time. I have made 200+ passes down th e1320 with each mod. But I quess I can't convince you, you must know all, so go ahead an beleive what you want. you have fun with that.
others have said that it's possable, I have seen it, go to Mustangforums or S197forum.com and search for yourself.

[2K05GT]

Last year I ran 12.8 with just intake, tune, gears, UDP, LCA
and I have an Automatic, a manual can do it with just intake and tune,

Here is the video ....
http://www.youtube.com/v/j2sj72uFsVg&hl=en

Here are some in the 12's with mods listed
http://www.mustangforums.com/timeslips/timeslip-details.asp?TimeSlipID=464

http://www.mustangforums.com/timeslips/timeslip-details.asp?TimeSlipID=499




I know that a 5.7 or 6.0 motor will perform better, no replacment for displacment
I agree, I hope you would run faster than a mustang with the same mods, that would only make sense.

The LSx Motors are the best engines built to date I agree, Yes the Mustang has always been underpowered, I agree
The Camaro will always be faster than the Mustang, I agree.. Don't raise a BS flag when I am only trying to state facts
Chill out

I am not here to argue, I am here to learn and to teach. I am a future Camaro Owner (2010) already have the down payment in.
I love Cars Period, I don't care about brands. I Buy what I like, simple as that.

[N20LT4]

Last year I ran 12.8 with just intake, tune, gears, UDP, LCA
and I have an Automatic, a manual can do it with just intake and tune,

Here is the video ....
http://www.youtube.com/v/j2sj72uFsVg&hl=en


Don't forget the DRAG RADIALS. That would be considered a pretty significant mod - ya know!

And I already read the "Chill Out" part. No need to edit.

[2K05GT]

Don't forget the DRAG RADIALS. That would be considered a pretty significant mod - ya know!

And I already read the "Chill Out" part. No need to edit.

Maybe but I bought mine off of craigs list for 30 bucks and mounted them on my stock 17 inch rims. they don't really help me out without a stall, I can't get the RPM's high enough to get a steller 60'
I really would not count a used set of BFG DR's as a mod, really..

I use them more to save my street tires, the 275/40 ZR 18 BFG KDW armt cheep ya know.

These are my track tires
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd22/2k05gt/MUSTANG/TireRack2-1.jpg

[N20LT4]

I really would not count a used set of BFG DR's as a mod, really..


In all of my years of racing i've never heard that one. Drag Radials are always considered a mod IMO. And I would almost guarantee the drag radials were helping with your auto car.

Oh, and did you read my reply way above. It was to the list of "moderately" boosted Mustangs you posted. As a comparison I posted a list of cammed LSx's. By all means a cammed LS1 can give a light-to-moderate boost S197 a run - and then some :)

[2K05GT]

Umm...if I were you, i'd probably think again. Here is a response to your little list of fast Mustangs.

The fastest "cam-only" LS1 on this list is not too far behind the fastest supercharged Mustang your list.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187330

Now what were you saying about a cam-only LS1 not doing what?

I don't know what happened to my post about this question.
but my response was that if you read my post I said:

Originally Posted by 2K05GT
I don't think a cammed LS1 will take a Moderatly boosted S197, wont happen
unless a cammed LS1 can run 11.s or 10's I would think Heads, Cam , Headers would be a better bet, the LSx love air and they can be nasty when opened up to breath.

I was saying that with Just a cam and no bolt-ons it would not.
the cars that you listed had full bolt ons, Stalls, cluches, DR's Ect.. Then Yes I agree with the numbers, but a Mustang with JUST a Supercharger for 6 grand can hit 11 and 10's with that one engine mod and Dr's, I think is the real point. But then again if you put a supercharger on a LSx engine Watch out that car will scream into the 9's. I am not saying or will I ever say the S197 Mustang engine is better than an Fbod engine but I am saying is don't write the mustang off short, the little 3 Valve 281 is a very impressive engine. I have learned a lot in the last three years working with it.


I am not a Noob on GM engines.
Here is a friends car with Heads, Cam, headers and Full bolt-ons
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd22/2k05gt/Drag%20Racing/DSC00178.jpg
Bad MF.. look at the air under those skinnies.. :-) ... Awesome Car

[2K05GT]

In all of my years of racing i've never heard that one. Drag Radials are always considered a mod IMO. And I would almost guarantee the drag radials were helping with your auto car.

Oh, and did you read my reply way above. It was to the list of "moderately" boosted Mustangs you posted. As a comparison I posted a list of cammed LSx's. By all means a cammed LS1 can give a light-to-moderate boost S197 a run - and then some :)

The DR's would be a needed mod for a Manual Trans Car, that can launch at 3 or 4 grand then traction would be an issue, but with my Automatic I can only get 1600 rpms before I push through the beams, thats all I am saying.
They really don't help ME... Not yet..

[2K05GT]

I have made runs with my DR's
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd22/2k05gt/MUSTANG/gotc79.jpg

and Without them
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd22/2k05gt/Drag%20Racing/Drag3.jpg

and it did not make a difference in my times

[N20LT4]

I don't know what happened to my post about this question.
but my response was that if you read my post I said:

Originally Posted by 2K05GT
I don't think a cammed LS1 will take a Moderatly boosted S197, wont happen
unless a cammed LS1 can run 11.s or 10's I would think Heads, Cam , Headers would be a better bet, the LSx love air and they can be nasty when opened up to breath.

I was saying that with Just a cam and no bolt-ons it would not.
the cars that you listed had full bolt ons, Stalls, cluches, DR's Ect.. Then Yes I agree with the numbers, but a Mustang with JUST a Supercharger for 6 grand can hit 11 and 10's with that one engine mod and Dr's, I think is the real point. But then again if you put a supercharger on a LSx engine Watch out that car will scream into the 9's. I am not saying or will I ever say the S197 Mustang is better that an Fbod but I am saying is don't write the mustang off short, the little 3Valve 281 is a very impressive engine. I have learned a lot in the last three years working with it.

Maybe you are not familiar with the term "cam-only", my apologies for not being specific. But a cam-only car usually includes the supporting bolt-ons like intake, headers etc. etc.

I've seen '05-'08 GT's with light bolts such as TB, MAF, cat-back, with Superchargers run in the 12's all day. Heck, the Roush 427R is supercharged from the factory and runs high 12's on average. Here is a quick vid of a Roush 427 running against a bolt-on LS1 auto. Stock cam, intake and heads.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Racing-02WS6-A4-LT-Vs-07_95156.htm

[2K05GT]

Maybe you are not familiar with the term "cam-only", my apologies for not being specific. But a cam-only car usually includes the supporting bolt-ons like intake, headers etc. etc.

I've seen '05-'08 GT's with light bolts such as TB, MAF, cat-back, with Superchargers run in the 12's all day. Heck, the Roush 427R is supercharged from the factory and runs high 12's on average. Here is a quick vid of a Roush 427 running against a bolt-on LS1 auto. Stock cam, intake and heads.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Racing-02WS6-A4-LT-Vs-07_95156.htm

Drivers are the best Mod, I have had a different experience with the groups I am in, maybe we are better drivers, I mean I run 12.4 on a Stock engine and tranny. with only bolt-ons so what can I tell you.

I have a friend with just a Saleen Roots, intake, tune and Dr's running mid 11's all day long putting down 520 RWHP.
BTW the Roush Charger Sucks, it was posted at 427hp, but most don't see 390 unless retuned and pullied, the factory installs are built real safe so they are non performers.

The real Superchargers are Kenny Bell, Wipple and Saleen, with a few supporting mods they are putting 500+ to the wheels with little work.

My N/A Mustang stock with just a K&N Air Charger intake (Remeber it's an Automatic)
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd22/2k05gt/MUSTANG/dynorunc.jpg



and anyway are are you arguing with me on this, Mod for Mod the 5.7 -6.2 will always make more power thats why displacment is good. but you have got to admit that with the 4.6L 3-valve engine is putting down some impressive times and numbers for what they are. Sure I wish it had a larger engine but I bought it because it sounds nice, it looks great and it's fun to drive, the racing part just came later. Will I have more fun with a L76 or LS3 Camaro you bet ya, will I still drive my Mustang... Yup I love this car.

Excessive Motorsports is a local mustang shop in manassas, va. (http://excessivemotorsport.net/)

[Bottesini]

Drivers are the best Mod, I have had a different experience with the groups I am in, maybe we are better drivers, I mean I run 12.4 on a Stock engine and tranny. with only bolt-ons so what can I tell you.


Remember you two are on opposite ends of the continent which could explain quite a bit.

[N20LT4]

My N/A Mustang stock with just a K&N Air Charger intake (Remeber it's an Automatic)
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd22/2k05gt/MUSTANG/dynorunc.jpg

Interesting. I saw an '06 Roush GT (N/A) automatic car put down 244rwhp bone-stock - but I know numbers vary...

[2K05GT]

Interesting. I saw an '06 Roush GT (N/A) automatic car put down 244rwhp bone-stock - but I know numbers vary...

They do alot, the 5R55S tranny the only way to get a true reading is to lock the TC, if you don't the trans always wants to kick down and it's a pain to get the numbers correct. some just do the pull in 3rd to avoid this but then the numbers are lower. the only way to get a true HP reading is during a dyno tune so the tuner can lock the TC.

[N20LT4]

They do alot, the 5R55S tranny the only way to get a true reading is to lock the TC, if you don't the trans always wants to kick down and it's a pain to get the numbers correct. some just do the pull in 3rd to avoid this but then the numbers are lower. the only way to get a true HP reading is during a dyno tune so the tuner can lock the TC.

Definitely makes sense to lock the TC to avoid kickdown. I've rode in an M5 S197, not yet had the chance to experiece an A5 version though. I imagine it is 1000x better than the older AOD-E equipped ponies. Is the 5R55S the same tranny in the auto '03-04 Mach's?

[2K05GT]

Remember you two are on opposite ends of the continent which could explain quite a bit.

Maybe but some of the socal guys on the forums are doing very well with their mods.

the Air Temp plays a big part as well, these engines hate heat, I would hot lap and loose a 10th on each pass. let it cool down and I run 12.4 again,

Plus most mustang drivers I see at the track are young guys, new to drag racing, they have a lot to learn. I started racing in the 70's with my TA so I have a bit more experience than most.

My first time back to the track after 25 + years was less than steller, I ran 13.3 with just a intake, UDP and gears. but not bad
the Track is in the mountains 600 ft the DA was close to 2000 ft
Mason Dixon Raceway. (http://www.masondixondragway.com/)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=h61Flo14eRE

I get better times at Maryland International Raceway (http://www.mirdrag.com/)since they are at 100ft and the air is always better there.
so I will run 2 10ths better at MIR

[2K05GT]

Definitely makes sense to lock the TC to avoid kickdown. I've rode in an M5 S197, not yet had the chance to experiece an A5 version though. I imagine it is 1000x better than the older AOD-E equipped ponies. Is the 5R55S the same tranny in the auto '03-04 Mach's?

Oh no, the 5R55S is a new trans, I think it came from the Jaguar or Lincoln LS line, the S197 shares these platforms.

The 03/04 Mach-1 Ford put the 4R70W The new 5R55S is physically smaller then the 4R70W. So far the 5R55S has been tested with 450 to 550 RWHP and was relatively trouble-free. so it looks like a good tranny.

The Computer contolled Pressure and shift points allow the driver to adjust the shifts at different speeds and how hard it will shift. I can scratch 2nd, chirp 3rd and can smoke the tires with a 20mph downshift, kinda cool with an auto.

[N20LT4]

Oh no, the 5R55S is a new trans, I think it came from the Jaguar or Lincoln LS line, the S197 shares these platforms.

The 03/04 Mach-1 Ford put the 4R70W The new 5R55S is physically smaller then the 4R70W. So far the 5R55S has been tested with 450 to 550 RWHP and was relatively trouble-free. so it looks like a good tranny.

The Computer contolled Pressure and shift points allow the driver to adjust the shifts at different speeds and how hard it will shift. I can scratch 2nd, chirp 3rd and can smoke the tires with a 20mph downshift, kinda cool with an auto.

Yeah I love automatics. I've got a Built 700R4 (4L60 Non "E") by Trans Star w/ a G-Men update kit, 9 clutch pack, Beast Sun Gear shell, HD sprags, billet servo's, Kolene plates, etc etc.. It's a blast to launch!

[2K05GT]

Interesting. I saw an '06 Roush GT (N/A) automatic car put down 244rwhp bone-stock - but I know numbers vary...

a roush GT is just a regular GT with a body kit. Saleen builds better cars anyway. look at the Parnelli Jones, it's a bit pricy for what you get but a Boss 302 N/A putting down close to 400hp is quite impressive.

here are some stock numbers (all the way down to the paper filters) from the Mustang Forums. (you can search them if you like, but I am not a liar)
TMSBrad 2006 4.6 265.89 280.05 Automatic
Ruffnuts 2007 4.6 272.00 286.00 Manual
06VistaGT 4.6 265.12 286.26 Manual
Vwillo 2006 4.6 267.05 291.14 Automatic

Here is a list of some dyno sheets and associated mods.
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=678976

You can see that the numbers do fluxuate but the average between the Manual and automatics is about 10hp. Remember that I had mine tested with the K&N Non tune Aircharger intake and K&N estimates 15 hp increase (http://www.afterthoughtsauto.com/mustang-air-charger.html). whatever,, most of you know that BS but it's marketing .
I wish I would have had the stock airbox with me to test with both, a baseline would have been cool.

Yeah I love automatics. I've got a Built 700R4 (4L60 Non "E") by Trans Star w/ a G-Men update kit, 9 clutch pack, Beast Sun Gear shell, HD sprags, billet servo's, Kolene plates, etc etc.. It's a blast to launch!
Quite an impressive setup, I bet you are pulling close to a 1.6 60' with that setup awesome. can you get air under the front tires?

If I did not daily drive my Mustang I might just pull the trigger and build up my tranny with a 3500 stall, and maybe get some Linelocks to keep from smoking my rear breaks . I would like to get a hard launch from mine, these wimpy 1600 rpm launches suck.

[99 Kobra]

R compound tires and racing slicks get really slippery after their prime. Same thing with drag radials?

[JwMonE99]

Last year I ran 12.8 with just intake, tune, gears, UDP, LCA
and I have an Automatic, a manual can do it with just intake and tune,

Here is the video ....
http://www.youtube.com/v/j2sj72uFsVg&hl=en

Here are some in the 12's with mods listed
http://www.mustangforums.com/timeslips/timeslip-details.asp?TimeSlipID=464

http://www.mustangforums.com/timeslips/timeslip-details.asp?TimeSlipID=499




I know that a 5.7 or 6.0 motor will perform better, no replacment for displacment
I agree, I hope you would run faster than a mustang with the same mods, that would only make sense.

The LSx Motors are the best engines built to date I agree, Yes the Mustang has always been underpowered, I agree
The Camaro will always be faster than the Mustang, I agree.. Don't raise a BS flag when I am only trying to state facts
Chill out

I am not here to argue, I am here to learn and to teach. I am a future Camaro Owner (2010) already have the down payment in.
I love Cars Period, I don't care about brands. I Buy what I like, simple as that.



I like this guy

[N20LT4]

Quite an impressive setup, I bet you are pulling close to a 1.6 60' with that setup awesome. can you get air under the front tires?

If I did not daily drive my Mustang I might just pull the trigger and build up my tranny with a 3500 stall, and maybe get some Linelocks to keep from smoking my rear breaks . I would like to get a hard launch from mine, these wimpy 1600 rpm launches suck.

My best 60 is 1.71 on an 11.2 run. The Nitto 555r's aren't the best drag radial tire. They are however the best all around drag radial IMO, as far as streetability - i've owned BFG and M/T dr's before. My car definitely has more on the table. I can't get much traction with them. With slicks out back i'm virtually sure i'll be in the 10's.

[2K05GT]

I like this guy

Thanks, I am an old guy, a grandfather of 2, I have built engines in the past, I raced in the late 70's to early 80's. I am a realist, I mean come on, do people really think that a normally asperated 4.6l could out power a 5.7L mod for mod?
if they do then they need their head examined the physics are not there.
what else can I say? the only Mustangs I have ever liked was the 67-72 years. I loved my 1971 455 Trans Am, white with blue stripes and a shaker scoop. man I loved that car.

[2K05GT]

My best 60 is 1.71 on an 11.2 run. The Nitto 555r's aren't the best drag radial tire. They are however the best all around drag radial IMO, as far as streetability - i've owned BFG and M/T dr's before. My car definitely has more on the table. I can't get much traction with them. With slicks out back i'm virtually sure i'll be in the 10's.

easy, if you can pull around 1.5's you will see 10.9's what engine work do you have?

[N20LT4]

easy, if you can pull around 1.5's you will see 10.9's what engine work do you have?

355 11:1 w/ SCAT 4340 crank, SCAT H-beam rods, Speed Pro Forged pistons, SDM custom cam, stock LT1 heads, NOS Direct port kit, bolt-ons, Kooks 1-7/8 LT's/Y-pipe w/ Random Technology 3" cat, B&B Tri-Flo exhaust, Engine Management Systems 8860 series ECU. Car was tuned by Keith @ http://www.forcefedperformance.com/.

[2K05GT]

355 11:1 w/ SCAT 4340 crank, SCAT H-beam rods, Speed Pro Forged pistons, SDM custom cam, stock LT1 heads, NOS Direct port kit, bolt-ons, Kooks 1-7/8 LT's/Y-pipe w/ Random Technology 3" cat, B&B Tri-Flo exhaust, Engine Management Systems 8860 series ECU. Car was tuned by Keith @ http://www.forcefedperformance.com/.

Totally Sick, I love the NOS Direct port kit in your avatar pic. cool.

I wish the CAMS on the S197 were easy to do and cheaper. but being 3 valve over head cams and having variable Cam Timing make it hard to get power from cams. the most S197's have seen from a set of cams is between 30-40 hp. not worth the 2 grand to have done. cheaper to have the heads ported and polished for the same power.
http://www.mustang50magazine.com/techarticles/0606_m5lp_2005_ford_mustang_gt_cylinder_heads/index.html

this has always been a huge advantage for the LT and LS engines. they love cams for sure.

[N20LT4]

Totally Sick, I love the NOS Direct port kit in your avatar pic. cool.


The picture is my intake/direct-port kit. It is a NOS Direct Port Universal kit, with a little custom fabrication. Everything was completed/installed by Force Fed Performance. I recently swapped the BBK/Edelbrock 58mm throttle body for an AS&M Mono-Blade.

I wish the CAMS on the S197 were easy to do and cheaper. but being 3 valve over head cams and having variable Cam Timing make it hard to get power from cams. the most S197's have seen from a set of cams is between 30-40 hp. not worth the 2 grand to have done. cheaper to have the heads ported and polished for the same power.
http://www.mustang50magazine.com/techarticles/0606_m5lp_2005_ford_mustang_gt_cylinder_heads/index.html

this has always been a huge advantage for the LT and LS engines. they love cams for sure.

I helped a friend dissasemble the valvetrain/cam gear on a '99 (I believe??) Lincoln LS 4-valve motor. It was the most challenging cam job i've ever been involved with. Mind boggling to say the least. I probably would never do one again. I couldn't figure out how to get both cam chain's back on the right way. He ended up figuring it all out.

[big hammer]

Thanks, I am an old guy, a grandfather of 2, I have built engines in the past, I raced in the late 70's to early 80's. I am a realist, I mean come on, do people really think that a normally asperated 4.6l could out power a 5.7L mod for mod?
if they do then they need their head examined the physics are not there.
what else can I say? the only Mustangs I have ever liked was the 67-72 years. I loved my 1971 455 Trans Am, white with blue stripes and a shaker scoop. man I loved that car.

yeah. those old trans ams with the blue stripes and shaker hood were sweet. i would love to get one someday.

[2K05GT]

The picture is my intake/direct-port kit. It is a NOS Direct Port Universal kit, with a little custom fabrication. Everything was completed/installed by Force Fed Performance. I recently swapped the BBK/Edelbrock 58mm throttle body for an AS&M Mono-Blade.



I helped a friend dissasemble the valvetrain/cam gear on a '99 (I believe??) Lincoln LS 4-valve motor. It was the most challenging cam job i've ever been involved with. Mind boggling to say the least. I probably would never do one again. I couldn't figure out how to get both cam chain's back on the right way. He ended up figuring it all out.

I am helping a friend this summer build a 5.4 Tritan 3 valve for his V6 Mustang
we are converting it to a V8. the Tritan is a torque monster is used for trucks, it's an aluminum block so weight will not be an issue like in the GT500 5.4L iron block 4 valve. He is also installing a Turbo on it so it should be fun...

You have any pictures of your car?

[99 Kobra]

I helped a friend dissasemble the valvetrain/cam gear on a '99 (I believe??) Lincoln LS 4-valve motor. It was the most challenging cam job i've ever been involved with. Mind boggling to say the least. I probably would never do one again. I couldn't figure out how to get both cam chain's back on the right way. He ended up figuring it all out.

2000 is the first year for Lincoln LS.

[N20LT4]

I am helping a friend this summer build a 5.4 Tritan 3 valve for his V6 Mustang
we are converting it to a V8. the Tritan is a torque monster is used for trucks, it's an aluminum block so weight will not be an issue like in the GT500 5.4L iron block 4 valve. He is also installing a Turbo on it so it should be fun...

You have any pictures of your car?

No very recent pics. I posted some pics in the "Camaro SS" Post your Camaro's. I think there on page 7 or 8 - one of the last pages.

2000 is the first year for Lincoln LS.

Okay. I figured I was off by a year or two. Thanx for the correction!

[Midnight02]

Great thread. Nice to see a little sharing of performance info and race experience between the Mustang and GM guys!

As to the original post, based on your mods you probably shouldn't line up with the blown '07 GT. Provided he is even close to being an "average" driver, it shouldn't be that close of a race.

Stock vs. stock the LS1 has a slight advantage (with all other parts being equal), however even if the S/C was his only mod (and such is not the case based on what you said about the exhaust note) he would have more than enough to take you down.

Alternatively, slap a few mods on and a 150 shot and give him a run. If he's only lightly modded, you'll have a shot. If he has a well modded car capable of 10's or low 11's, it shouldn't take but a second or two to come to that realization. HAHA!

[chuckie669]

Sounds like fun. I say be a man and run him. Say good time whether its a win or lose.

I get tired of everyone acting like a dick towards other car guys. I know most of the time it's the other guy, but don't act like 'em.

[lmyers1]

Ya, like I said earlier, I have no illusions of beating him...his car is faster than mine (for now). It would be a fun race regardless...I was just curious what mods I would have to do to be competititve. Not too hot on the N20 idea and I like N/A but that probably means a couple thousand for heads, cam and headers (and tune). Oh well, it only takes money right.

[2K05GT]

Sounds like fun. I say be a man and run him. Say good time whether its a win or lose.

I get tired of everyone acting like a dick towards other car guys. I know most of the time it's the other guy, but don't act like 'em.

Exactly...

I raced a neighbors Lingenfelter Corvette, he wanted to run I was like sure why not, you are going to not only beat me down the street, you would come back and do it again LOL.. It was still fun seeing those tail lights going down the street... When I finally cought up we turned into the neighborhood and and he said he loves the way may car sounds, I said, I love the Lingenfelter Corvette, we both waved and gave a thumbs up.

So to the OP, Race him, have fun win or loose.

[N20LT4]

Stock vs. stock the LS1 has a slight advantage (with all other parts being equal), however even if the S/C was his only mod (and such is not the case based on what you said about the exhaust note) he would have more than enough to take you down.


I hate to keep repeating myself, but I just can't stress it enough...an LS1 M6 has more than a slight advantage over an S197 GT stock to stock. Something in the area of a Mach 1 is a closer race for an LS.

[2K05GT]

I hate to keep repeating myself, but I just can't stress it enough...an LS1 M6 has more than a slight advantage over an S197 GT stock to stock. Something in the area of a Mach 1 is a closer race for an LS.

Actually the S197 and Mach 1 were simular performers.
2003 Mach 1
305 hp @ 6000 RPM
320 ft-lbs 4250 RPM
Curb Weight 3465 lbs. (manual) 3475 lbs. (automatic)

road&track 2004 - Mach 1 Registry FAQ (http://www.mach1registry.com/FAQ.htm#quartertimes)
2003 Mach 1: 0-60 5.2, 0-100 12.2, 1/4mile 13.7 @ 105.7, top speed 151 .
The Mach 1 was equipped with a unique R-Code 4.6 L DOHC engine based on the DOHC engine available in the 1999 and 2001 Mustang Cobras, with new cylinder heads from the 2003 to 2004 Cobra and camshafts from the 5.4 L Triton engine. The engine was rated at 305 hp (227 kW) and raised to 310 hp (231 kW) in 2004 (Hot Rod magazine actually dyno-tested a 2003 Mach 1 and found it to produce approximately 325 hp).

There have been some Stock 2004 Mach 1's reaching low 13 1/4 mile times.

2005 Mustang GT
300 hp @ 5,750 RPM
320 ft-lbs. @ 4,500 RPM
Curb Weight 3440 lbs. (manual) 3480 lbs. (automatic)

road&track 2005 .
2005 Mustang GT: 0-60 4.9, 0-100 13.0, 1/4mile 13.5 @ 103.7, top speed 147 .
The 2005 Mustang which was codenamed "S-197" and based on an all-new D2C platform was Developed under the direction of Chief Engineer Hau Thai-Tang and exterior styling designer Sid Ramnarace, the fifth generation Mustang draws inspiration from Mustangs of the 1960s. The Mustang GT features a more rugged Tremec TR-3650 transmission with an all aluminum 300 hp (224 kW) 4.6 L 3-valve Modular V8 with variable camshaft timing.

The 2005 Mustang GT's new aluminum MOD (modular) V8 is a single overhead cam design using three valves (2 intake, 1 exhaust) per cylinder. Incorporated in this new engine is Ford's VCT or variable camshaft timing, which is their version of a concept that has been used successfully by Japanese automakers for years. It essentially allows for variation of the overall valve timing and can optimize power output over a wider engine RPM range.

Stock Times:
Mach 1 (avg 13.6)
http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustang-Timeslip-7630.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustang-Timeslip-12359.html

2005 GT (avg 13.5)
http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustang-Timeslip-14900.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustang-Timeslip-4200.html

LS1 Camaro (avg 13.4)
http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-Camaro-Timeslip-11668.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-Camaro-Timeslip-9210.html

[N20LT4]

Actually the S197 and 04 Mach 1 were simular performers.
2004 Mach 1
305 hp @ 6000 RPM
320 ft-lbs 4250 RPM
Curb Weight 3465 lbs. (manual) 3475 lbs. (automatic)

road&track 2004 -
2003 Mach 1: 0-60 5.2, 0-100 12.2, 1/4mile 13.7 @ 105.7, top speed 151 .

2005 Mustang GT
300 hp @ 5,750 RPM
320 ft-lbs. @ 4,500 RPM
Curb Weight 3440 lbs. (manual) 3480 lbs. (automatic)

road&track 2005 .
2005 Mustang GT: 0-60 4.9, 0-100 13.0, 1/4mile 13.5 @ 103.7, top speed 147 .

the gearing on the 5 sp Manual and Autos helped the S197 to sqeak a better 1/4 mile times than from the 04 Mach 1.

Stock Times:
Mach 1 (avg 13.6)
http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustang-Timeslip-7630.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustang-Timeslip-12359.html

2005 GT (avg 13.5)
http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustang-Timeslip-14900.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustang-Timeslip-4200.html

LS1 Camaro (avg 13.4)
http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-Camaro-Timeslip-11668.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-Camaro-Timeslip-9210.html

I get your drift bud, but the numbers you have listed do not tell the whole story. Most Mach 1's at the strip (And I have seen many run @ the strip!) pull 13.5-13.6@103-104 with a good driver. Majority of S197 cars (No disrespect) I see run low 14's to high 13's - with 13.80's @ around 101-102. I would put my money on a Mach any day stock for stock against an '05-08 GT. An LS1 w/ a good driver is likely to pull 13.4-13.50's, while your S197 with a likewise drive is in the 13.80-13.90 range. LS1's clearly put a considerable amount more power to ground.

[Crimson Sin]

I say RACE.. I ran a New, and I mean new... temp plate still on it < course they go for 30 days I guess> Blue CS/GT Mustang that had some sort of F/I.. I could HEAR it, no mistaking that sound. I ran him three times. Once on the highway from a 55 ish roll.. to about 110ish. Second time on the tail end of the off ramp, he tried to slingshot past me.. probably embarrassed by his loss on the highway.. Then one more time from a street light a half mile or so up the road. He pulled ok until second gear.. Guy was Super cool too, complimented me on my car. I returned the favor. He did have a passenger tho, that may have hurt him a bit. But I aint a small guy. 6' 228 pounds or so (It varies with how I am doing on my diet :( ) So you never know... My car has a few mods. But it certainly isn't a beast.

[N20LT4]

I say RACE.. I ran a New, and I mean new... temp plate still on it < course they go for 30 days I guess> Blue CS/GT Mustang that had some sort of F/I.. I could HEAR it, no mistaking that sound. I ran him three times. Once on the highway from a 55 ish roll.. to about 110ish. Second time on the tail end of the off ramp, he tried to slingshot past me.. probably embarrassed by his loss on the highway.. Then one more time from a street light a half mile or so up the road. He pulled ok until second gear.. Guy was Super cool too, complimented me on my car. I returned the favor. He did have a passenger tho, that may have hurt him a bit. But I aint a small guy. 6' 228 pounds or so (It varies with how I am doing on my diet :( ) So you never know... My car has a few mods. But it certainly isn't a beast.

Like I said. It wouldn't suprise me if a cammed LS1 showed taillights to a lightly boosted S197.

[2K05GT]

I get your drift bud, but the numbers you have listed do not tell the whole story. Most Mach 1's at the strip (And I have seen many run @ the strip!) pull 13.5-13.6@103-104 with a good driver. Majority of S197 cars (No disrespect) I see run low 14's to high 13's - with 13.80's @ around 101-102. I would put my money on a Mach any day stock for stock against an '05-08 GT. An LS1 w/ a good driver is likely to pull 13.4-13.50's, while your S197 with a likewise drive is in the 13.80-13.90 range. LS1's clearly put a considerable amount more power to ground.

I most cases yes, you are correct, the mach 1 had a nice motor heck if the Newdge Gt was just like the mach 1 it would have been a better car, but there are some technological advances the S197 has over the new edge models. even the 4 valve 4.6. and thats the VCT for one, and two is the new trannies manage the power better.

this was a drag day with the Northern Virginia Mustang Club
and the sister club, Northern Virginia Corvette Club. the Track is Mason Dixon, and the DA was 2000 ft.

Your experience and mine could be realated to where we live like previously stated, I have never seen a S197 run a consistant 13.9 or above runs ever. the 05 Automatic I have seen run all day at 13.8. and Manuals 13.6. Or maybe us Virginia S197 owners are better drivers because we race with Corvettes every month LOL ...

check out the following videos:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=t48QZyShvzQ
5:12 - stock S197 body kit Stock 04 Mach 1

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6z8PSHetsMI
4:26 - me vs red corvette (c5)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BAmfondxNjU
2:02 - Mach 1 vs 2007 GT both stock

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1rg5iezuui8
3:28 - Mach 1 Vs Corvette
4:25 - Mach 1 Vs Me

[2K05GT]

I say RACE.. I ran a New, and I mean new... temp plate still on it < course they go for 30 days I guess> Blue CS/GT Mustang that had some sort of F/I.. I could HEAR it, no mistaking that sound. I ran him three times. Once on the highway from a 55 ish roll.. to about 110ish. Second time on the tail end of the off ramp, he tried to slingshot past me.. probably embarrassed by his loss on the highway.. Then one more time from a street light a half mile or so up the road. He pulled ok until second gear.. Guy was Super cool too, complimented me on my car. I returned the favor. He did have a passenger tho, that may have hurt him a bit. But I aint a small guy. 6' 228 pounds or so (It varies with how I am doing on my diet :( ) So you never know... My car has a few mods. But it certainly isn't a beast.

I think you are talking about the CS6 Supercharged V6 by Shelby,
the CS/GT did not have a supercharger, it is only a body mod stock GT

http://www.rsportscars.com/ford/2006-ford-shelby-cs-6-mustang/

[Crimson Sin]

I think you are talking about the CS6 Supercharged V6 by Shelby,
the CS/GT did not have a supercharger, it is only a body mod stock GT

http://www.rsportscars.com/ford/2006-ford-shelby-cs-6-mustang/

I know which car your referring too. But no. I distinctly saw the CS/GT body kit/striping on the car. The front valance has a distinctive style to it. I didn't say the car came new with it, only that it had the F/I on it, perhaps I could have stated that a bit clearer, my bad. Car was gorgeous too. Blue exterior. Black Convt. top just a striking look, Sounded nice as well, the exhaust left no doubt it was a V8 at all.
When I raced it I posted asking if anyone knew if they came that way, was a couple months back here in the kills section. Alot of guys spoke up and I even went to Vancouver Ford to look at the inventory. It was a California Special GT Mustang with Convertible top, manual transmission.
Just like this but blue http://www.fordpower.net/main/Press-Releases/Mustang/2007-Ford-Mustang-California-Special-(GT%10CS).html

[2K05GT]

I know which car your referring too. But no. I distinctly saw the CS/GT body kit/striping on the car. The front valance has a distinctive style to it. I didn't say the car came new with it, only that it had the F/I on it, perhaps I could have stated that a bit clearer, my bad. Car was gorgeous too. Blue exterior. Black Convt. top just a striking look, Sounded nice as well, the exhaust left no doubt it was a V8 at all.
When I raced it I posted asking if anyone knew if they came that way, was a couple months back here in the kills section. Alot of guys spoke up and I even went to Vancouver Ford to look at the inventory. It was a California Special GT Mustang with Convertible top, manual transmission.
Just like this but blue http://www.fordpower.net/main/Press-Releases/Mustang/2007-Ford-Mustang-California-Special-(GT%10CS).html


The “California Special.” is a nice body kit, I want the rear Valance for my 05 GT. If the car was supercharged at the dealer the tunes are very low power and safe, this is to maintain a 3yr 36m warrenty. One guy in our club got a dealer installed SC and it made 355 RWHP dyno.. thats 385-400 at the crank, My car is doing 380hp to the crank with bolt-ons and I spent 2500 bucks.

A few weeks ago he went and had it custom tuned and a CAI and now he's around 425 RWHP. the ford tunes suck, then they lie to the customers about the actual HP to make them feel good about spending a ton of money for a measly 75 rwhp. Ford has been doing alot to try to get into the aftermarket arena, but they need to balance between warrenty coverage and the aftermarket money potential.

Look at Ford Racing web site, the 400hp kit does not state RWHP, thats the catch... http://www.fordracingparts.com/home/home.asp

So even a Dealer installed Supercharger could get killed by a modded LSx because they are at the same weight and HP. Having a Supercharger does not make the car fast, having a tuned one does. But once tuned you might as well through the warrenty out the window, that the problem most are facing. you spend close to 40K on a car you want a warrenty right. I tossed mine out the windows after a year, I just wanted my car to be faster.

[SpecterGT260]

A "bolt-on" GT will run in the 12s with a competent driver, and a few have cracked high 11s (certainly not the norm). Equally-modded, and LS1 will run away from it, but I wouldn't consider it a sure thing. Too many variables.

they have a much stouter rear end than we do and those cars have amazing weight transfer and hook. the guys running down way into the 12s with boltons only are running drag slicks and high rev dumping.
there are a few 2v 4.6 guys running high 12s with boltons only but they have suspension out the ass and pull 1.5 sec 60'

[jrc1122]

I use to have a belltronics - accelerometer (accurate to 2/100th of a second)

My buddy ran a 4.65 0-60 in his 04 Mach 1 (stock) and my other buddy ran a 4.55 in his Evo (stock at the time)

I sold it--- a few years later- I bought another one (when I got the TA) best I have ran is 5.01 0-60mph --- I know it is much to do with the driver and the launch--

I know 0-60 isn't everything-- but I don't know if I have ever heard of a 05+ GT Stang running those times.

[dpinson]

just race him and see

[BLKCLOUD]

I use to have a belltronics - accelerometer (accurate to 2/100th of a second)

My buddy ran a 4.65 0-60 in his 04 Mach 1 (stock) and my other buddy ran a 4.55 in his Evo (stock at the time)

I sold it--- a few years later- I bought another one (when I got the TA) best I have ran is 5.01 0-60mph --- I know it is much to do with the driver and the launch--

I know 0-60 isn't everything-- but I don't know if I have ever heard of a 05+ GT Stang running those times.

How did you measure those 0-60 times?

[N20LT4]

I use to have a belltronics - accelerometer (accurate to 2/100th of a second)

My buddy ran a 4.65 0-60 in his 04 Mach 1 (stock) and my other buddy ran a 4.55 in his Evo (stock at the time)

I sold it--- a few years later- I bought another one (when I got the TA) best I have ran is 5.01 0-60mph --- I know it is much to do with the driver and the launch--

I know 0-60 isn't everything-- but I don't know if I have ever heard of a 05+ GT Stang running those times.

How did you measure those 0-60 times?

I was wondering the same. Those times are definitely not accurate to 2/100th's of a second for a box-stock Mach.

[dpinson]

no way those are good times

[jrc1122]

I use to have a belltronics - accelerometer (accurate to 2/100th of a second)
.


believe what you want-- The manual says it is tested and proved.

My TV has picture in picture-- you can choose not to believe it-- but it does.

My TV is 1080i cabable -- but my crappy cable provider doesn't offer that quality of picture.. Does that mean my TV doesn't have it?

many Magizines got the EVO 8 with those times.. My times are pretty damn close for the LS1---

SO lets get this straight-- the only time it was inaccurate was with the Mach 1--- Man there is alot of mustang haters on this site.

I'm not saying he ran that every time-- we used that a lot-- and he usually got 4.8 - 5.1 -- but he did manage 0-60 in 4.65 once.

My buddy with the EVO ran consistant sub 5s in the 0-60 mph-- best was 4.55-- He usually got 4.65-4.8 or so... (if my memory serves me correctly)

Just like the stock LS1 got a 12.8x 1/4 mile when tested by that mustang magazine-- Doesn't mean it is typical but it can happen.

[N20LT4]

believe what you want-- The manual says it is tested and proved.

My TV has picture in picture-- you can choose not to believe it-- but it does.

My TV is 1080i cabable -- but my crappy cable provider doesn't offer that quality of picture.. Does that mean my TV doesn't have it?

many Magizines got the EVO 8 with those times.. My times are pretty damn close for the LS1---

SO lets get this straight-- the only time it was inaccurate was with the Mach 1--- Man there is alot of mustang haters on this site.

I'm not saying he ran that every time-- we used that a lot-- and he usually got 4.8 - 5.1 -- but he did manage 0-60 in 4.65 once.

My buddy with the EVO ran consistant sub 5s in the 0-60 mph-- best was 4.55-- He usually got 4.65-4.8 or so... (if my memory serves me correctly)

Just like the stock LS1 got a 12.8x 1/4 mile when tested by that mustang magazine-- Doesn't mean it is typical but it can happen.

MM&FF got that stock 12-second run at the drag strip, not with a meter. And while the 5-flat 0-60 run seems about right for a stock T/A M6, I would never believe a stock Mach would get 4.6 seconds to 60 on street tires. No way.

But to each his own.

[jrc1122]

MM&FF got that stock 12-second run at the drag strip, not with a meter. And while the 5-flat 0-60 run seems about right for a stock T/A M6, I would never believe a stock Mach would get 4.6 seconds to 60 on street tires. No way.

But to each his own.


Thanks for helping make my point.. You agree with the LS1 numbers look to be accurate from this piece of equipment, You didn't argue the Evo's numbers, but when the the exact same equipment gave the Mach 1 his time. It is suddenly inaccurate?

You seem to have very selective in your beliefs, or at the very least a bit biased against the Mach 1

AGAIN the 12.8 isn't TYPICAL for our cars--- 4.65 0-60 ISN'T TYPICAL for a Mach 1 (0-60mph)
Track vs accelerometer makes no difference-- because it is tested to be accurate to within a few hundredths of a second.

So which is your argument....??

A. You don't believe me
B. The equipment is inaccurate (unless it is testing my WS6) lol :rolleyes: <--That part pretty much makes that argument useless. So one could only conclude that you think I am a liar?

Dude I am not some Stang Nut swinger-- I would take an LS1 powered car over the Mach 1 any day of the week. I am just telling you guys of a story I remember from a few years back.

[N20LT4]

Thanks for helping make my point.. You agree with the LS1 numbers look to be accurate from this piece of equipment, You didn't argue the Evo's numbers, but when the the exact same equipment gave the Mach 1 his time. It is suddenly inaccurate?

You seem to have very selective in your beliefs, or at the very least a bit biased against the Mach 1

AGAIN the 12.8 isn't TYPICAL for our cars--- 4.65 0-60 ISN'T TYPICAL for a Mach 1 (0-60mph)
Track vs accelerometer makes no difference-- because it is tested to be accurate to within a few hundredths of a second.

So which is your argument....??

A. You don't believe me
B. The equipment is inaccurate (unless it is testing my WS6) lol :rolleyes: <--That part pretty much makes that argument useless. So one could only conclude that you think I am a liar?

Dude I am not some Stang Nut swinger-- I would take an LS1 powered car over the Mach 1 any day of the week. I am just telling you guys of a story I remember from a few years back.

There is no argument, as in, "I'm not going to waste time arguing with you" over the accuracy of some meter.

Hence the words at the end of my last statement...To each his own...belief.

Have a great day!

[jrc1122]

There is no argument, as in, "I'm not going to waste time arguing with you" over the accuracy of some meter.

Hence the words at the end of my last statement...To each his own...belief.

Have a great day!

I totally agree-- When you have no true case in the argument then why argue. AMEN!

[jrc1122]

after some research (because I no longer have the equipment or the manual)I stand slightly corrected - the equipment is accurate within 50 miliseconds (after programmed)

or .05 ..... Not .02 that I originally stated -- Still very accurate

so assuming it was wrong in his favor instead of 4.65-- He would have ran 4.70 (IF and only if the full range or inaccuracy was totally against him)

But with that being said--- If it was inaccurate by recording him slower than he really was-- He could have very well ran 4.60---

So because we don't know how which way, if any ,it was inaccurate. We will stick with 4.65 0-60mph.