my 02ssvs04 cobra

[camarojunky74]

alright let me begin by saying im doing everything in my power to get the video let me explain,

so this sat i decide to make a nice drive to murrieta to pick up some sbc parts that i needed to complete my build.
so the first race i did a 55-110 or so with a red ferrari testarosa, beat his ass so bad lol it was pretty bad, he gave me a thumbs up and i replied with a thumbs down lol
alight onto the good part so im driving down jefferson road a pretty windy open road with many side streets just for industrial shit so i go to my place get my shit and on my way back i see a bunch of people on the side of the road with a tent and all kinds of cars, some sort of grand opening for tint and 4 wheel drive shit, then i hear that screaming baby noise and see a cloud of smoke coming from a black cobra way down the other side of the street showing off with people videoing, at that point i have gone to far past the road to make the left so i flip a bitch on jefferson and make a right on that side road just as the cobra came up and was u turning on that road, we get side by side at about 20mph and we both just get in it quick, as i pull him by 1 car and just hold it past the mob of people who are now running to the street to see whats going on, grabbing there cameras and what not, we get to the end of the street and i ask do you wanna go from a dig he replies hell yes lol, so i honk them out, 3rd honk and im gone, little tire spin but i got outta the hole good, the cobra spun some too not terrible but def wouldnt be considering hooking, so id say i yanked him 2 cars outta the hole and maintaned till the full 1/4, came back to the parking lot and spoke with the driver his mods were
front mount heat exchanger
pulley im not sure what size
an x pipe and cat back
and cai

my mods
gmmg cat back,
slp lid

on to the video part, i knew that a bunch of guys got it one couldnt send it via phone for some reason and the shop owner said he would upload and email it to me, i gave him my email and am anxiously awaiting it.
i know i shouldnt have made this without the vid but fuck it im bored at work.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa268/camarojunky74/th_luxury_tint_one_year_014.jpg (http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/aa268/camarojunky74/?action=view&current=luxury_tint_one_year_014.flv)

[Danger731]

dayum, this i hafta see

[camarojunky74]

lol there it is, you cant see the vid? this was in temecula too right down the road from you, well a 30 min drive, me and him are gonna go at it again i hope, this time ill be on dr's so i should get him by a few more lengths lol

[N20LT4]

Good F' in Kill!!! And you got the video to prove it. So those Ford guys, I won't say any names (Flash, Trick Stang, 99 Kobra) can't say otherwise.

[camarojunky74]

:yup: im anxiously awaiting all the ford nut swingers who cant admit defeat ever

[94VortechGT]

So let me get this straight, you beat a 400+whp Cobra with your 320ish whp LS1? :bs:

[camarojunky74]

So let me get this straight, you beat a 400+whp Cobra with your 320ish whp LS1? :bs:

yup sounds like you got the just of it.

bs?? watch the vid again, this time with you head out of your ass

[94VortechGT]

If it was a video worth watching I might be able to see something. I don't see a start, and I don't see a finish..... What's that video supposed to prove?

[camarojunky74]

when i watch it i see the start , and it shows me winning the race

[94VortechGT]

The video is 6 seconds long... You run the full 1/4 in 6 seconds?

[camarojunky74]

The video is 6 seconds long... You run the full 1/4 in 6 seconds?

lol wow... the video guy is just before the finish line maybe like 100 feet before at most, and im telling you he stayed back there the whole time

[Fade2Black]

lol good kill

[camarojunky74]

thanks man

[94VortechGT]

so id say i yanked him 2 cars outta the hole and maintaned till the full 1/4


when i watch it i see the start , and it shows me winning the race


lol wow... the video guy is just before the finish line maybe like 100 feet before at most, and im telling you he stayed back there the whole time

First post you say you raced a full 1/4th. Then you say when you watch the video you see a START and then you WINNING THE RACE. That would mean a full 1/4th according to your 1st post right? With the video being 6 seconds long, that would mean you had to run the 1/4th in 6 seconds in order to see your start and finish in the video's time frame.

Now you say the video guy is at the finish line but you also say you can see your launch in the video too? You can't seem to get your story straight. Which is why this thread is :bs:.

[camarojunky74]

First post you say you raced a full 1/4th. Then you say when you watch the video you see a START and then you WINNING THE RACE. That would mean a full 1/4th according to your 1st post right? With the video being 6 seconds long, that would mean you had to run the 1/4th in 6 seconds in order to see your start and finish in the video's time frame.

Now you say the video guy is at the finish line but you also say you can see your launch in the video too? You can't seem to get your story straight. Which is why this thread is :bs:.

maybe your having a hard time understanding this concept, hold on this may get confusing for you.

when the camera starts recording you can see us racing up the street, when we get to the camera we are about 100 feet from the finish. the vid is catching the last part of the race, only 6 seconds long yes, but catches the finish of the race

[camarojunky74]

so let me get this right. you are saying i didnt win that race when clearly my car was in the lead...

gotcha,:jerkit:

[94VortechGT]

maybe your having a hard time understanding this concept, hold on this may get confusing for you.

when the camera starts recording you can see us racing up the street, when we get to the camera we are about 100 feet from the finish. the vid is catching the last part of the race, only 6 seconds long yes, but catches the finish of the race


when i watch it i see the start , and it shows me winning the race


So now you say you can't see the start? You just said you could a few minutes ago... Keep living you dream.

[N20LT4]

The video is 6 seconds long... You run the full 1/4 in 6 seconds?

Wow, another Ford Buffoon joined the site again just to criticize. When will it ever stop???

But seriously, what you saw in that video was enuff, that Cobra wasn't gaining and wasn't going to. The SS won. Simple as that.

[camarojunky74]

So now you say you can't see the start? You just said you could a few minutes ago... Keep living you dream.

lol, your ignorance is astounding.

maybe you mis understood me,

you said you cant see the start or the finish, if you click play, you obviously see the start of the recording and the end of the recording,

if the camera is 100 before the finish line, and the vid starts with me in the lead already rolling (pause at 5 sec mark) and still dragging him down the track to the finish, whats their not to get?:wtf:

[camarojunky74]

Wow, another Ford Buffoon joined the site again just to criticize. When will it ever stop???

But seriously, what you saw in that video was enuff, that Cobra wasn't gaining and wasn't going to. The SS won. Simple as that.

it will never stop, every time ford airs another bullshit commercial about this and that, they multiply

[94VortechGT]

How could you believe it? I suppose you smoke LS6 and LS7 vettes in your mighty SS too? All the video shows me is your car being ahead for a few seconds. Who's to say you didn't start 50 feet ahead, 2 seconds early, etc. etc. If your story was just racing from a dig, I could some what believe it. Anything can happen with driver error. But from a roll you also say you pull and hold a car length? It don't add up, parts of the story are obviously left out.

[camarojunky74]

okay i see where your coming from with that post, hopefully this will clear that up, i guess i forgot to mention when making this thread, that we only made it up to about 100 mph when we went from a roll, not nearly enough room for the cobra to stretch out its big legs, roll racing i will get my ass handed to me no doubt in the world, but when we went 20 to ABOUT 100mph there wasnt enough road,. from a dig we clearly saw the victor

[SpecterGT260]

Its possible the cobra driver couldnt drive to save his life, but ur car should have gotten walked..... hard

[GottaHaveLS1]

u ford guys always forget the cobra is 400 lbs heavier than an f body and the driver in the cobra could have been bad as well. I know the 400 lbs doesnt make up for the 80+ rwhp difference, but with all the controversy over this video i'm sure i could say "you don't actually see the smaller pulley on there" lol

[SpecterGT260]

im not a ford guy. I have a 98 TA ls1...... i just happen to know what that cobra should be running with those mods, and what his camaro should be running. the cobra should have walked bigtime if it was pullied. walked smalltime if it wasnt. driver mod

[camarojunky74]

u ford guys always forget the cobra is 400 lbs heavier than an f body and the driver in the cobra could have been bad as well. I know the 400 lbs doesnt make up for the 80+ rwhp difference, but with all the controversy over this video i'm sure i could say "you don't actually see the smaller pulley on there" lol

well i guess you will have to just trust me on the smaller pulley and the 100mm idler pulley and fluidyne heat exchanger as well.

[camarojunky74]

Its possible the cobra driver couldnt drive to save his life, but ur car should have gotten walked..... hard

+1:giveup:

[94VortechGT]

u ford guys always forget the cobra is 400 lbs heavier than an f body and the driver in the cobra could have been bad as well. I know the 400 lbs doesnt make up for the 80+ rwhp difference, but with all the controversy over this video i'm sure i could say "you don't actually see the smaller pulley on there" lol

A 04 Cobra weighs in at 3665 lbs. A 02 SS is 3439. That's hardly 400lbs. 200lbs don't make up for a 100whp difference.

[GottaHaveLS1]

well i guess you will have to just trust me on the smaller pulley and the 100mm idler pulley and fluidyne heat exchanger as well.

i'm not doubting you i was just joking about how technical the ford guys are being.

[GottaHaveLS1]

A 04 Cobra weighs in at 3665 lbs. A 02 SS is 3439. That's hardly 400lbs. 200lbs don't make up for a 100whp difference.

ur right i'll give you that, but they are still not as fast (stock) as you guys think they are. Every ford guy i talk to says they actually have 440 hp... then why are they just about as fast as a stock f body rated at "305" hp?

I guess the result of this race would have to be because of the drivers' skill.

[SpecterGT260]

we..... the ls1 ISNT at 305 hp as rated either ;)

but the termies are around 420hp at the crank i believe, even tho rated at 390. mid 12s out of the box if the driver has his head on straight

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[quote=94VortechGT;1478663]... You run the full 1/4 in 6 seconds?/quote]

Well he told you the car was fast!

[camarojunky74]

we..... the ls1 ISNT at 305 hp as rated either ;)

but the termies are around 420hp at the crank i believe, even tho rated at 390. mid 12s out of the box if the driver has his head on straight

especially with this guys mods, i know this car has put 5+ to the wheels, ive seen the chart, im not to sure if its low to mid 5's but i know its up there in power

[N20LT4]

we..... the ls1 ISNT at 305 hp as rated either ;)

but the termies are around 420hp at the crank i believe, even tho rated at 390. mid 12s out of the box if the driver has his head on straight

Mid 12's my ass. Don't act like any guy that knows how to drive is going to run mid 12's in a stock termi. You will have a lot of guys holding there heads down for that reason. It is definitely possible, but takes an excellent driver, beyond one that just has his head on straight to pull those e.t.'s. High 12's is where it's @ in a stock termi coupe.

[hutch1999]

to the OP good kill, the vid seem to show you ahead...

[camarojunky74]

to the OP good kill, the vid seem to show you ahead...

thanks./

[flash]

Good F' in Kill!!! And you got the video to prove it. So those Ford guys, I won't say any names (Flash, Trick Stang, 99 Kobra) can't say otherwise.


Why would you bring my name up as im pretty sure ived never said bs to any kill on this forum that I can remember?

[blue02Z]

wow 36 replies in less than 10 hours. good damn kill camarojunky!!!

[camarojunky74]

wow 36 replies in less than 10 hours. good damn kill camarojunky!!!

thanks man, this thread created quite a ruckus

[blue02Z]

no prob!

[camarojunky74]

so i guess im supposed to race this guy again, and another pullied termi, i will be sure a good person will be there to video, im not sure when but i hope sometime soon

[SpecterGT260]

Mid 12's my ass. Don't act like any guy that knows how to drive is going to run mid 12's in a stock termi. You will have a lot of guys holding there heads down for that reason. It is definitely possible, but takes an excellent driver, beyond one that just has his head on straight to pull those e.t.'s. High 12's is where it's @ in a stock termi coupe.

I consider 12.6 mid 12s. I know a few guys who have done it stock. and a pulleyed and tuned cobra will be running around 450rwhp give or take. hell, even on ls1/termie comparissons the terminator runs about .5 sec faster than the ls1, i could go dig up the article, but it was Evan Smith that did it, the same guy that ran 12.87 in a bonse stock Z, his times were about a half second apart. any termie owner, with a little practice can get into the 12.6-12.7 range. so mid-high, still fast

[M-Ten]

alright let me begin by saying im doing everything in my power to get the video let me explain,

so this sat i decide to make a nice drive to murrieta to pick up some sbc parts that i needed to complete my build.
so the first race i did a 55-110 or so with a red ferrari testarosa, beat his ass so bad lol it was pretty bad, he gave me a thumbs up and i replied with a thumbs down lol
alight onto the good part so im driving down jefferson road a pretty windy open road with many side streets just for industrial shit so i go to my place get my shit and on my way back i see a bunch of people on the side of the road with a tent and all kinds of cars, some sort of grand opening for tint and 4 wheel drive shit, then i hear that screaming baby noise and see a cloud of smoke coming from a black cobra way down the other side of the street showing off with people videoing, at that point i have gone to far past the road to make the left so i flip a bitch on jefferson and make a right on that side road just as the cobra came up and was u turning on that road, we get side by side at about 20mph and we both just get in it quick, as i pull him by 1 car and just hold it past the mob of people who are now running to the street to see whats going on, grabbing there cameras and what not, we get to the end of the street and i ask do you wanna go from a dig he replies hell yes lol, so i honk them out, 3rd honk and im gone, little tire spin but i got outta the hole good, the cobra spun some too not terrible but def wouldnt be considering hooking, so id say i yanked him 2 cars outta the hole and maintaned till the full 1/4, came back to the parking lot and spoke with the driver his mods were
front mount heat exchanger
pulley im not sure what size
an x pipe and cat back
and cai

my mods
gmmg cat back,
slp lid

on to the video part, i knew that a bunch of guys got it one couldnt send it via phone for some reason and the shop owner said he would upload and email it to me, i gave him my email and am anxiously awaiting it.
i know i shouldnt have made this without the vid but fuck it im bored at work.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa268/camarojunky74/th_luxury_tint_one_year_014.jpg (http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/aa268/camarojunky74/?action=view&current=luxury_tint_one_year_014.flv)


Ok.. so I don't get why you would give him a thumbs down? Nice guy in a nice car..

[01ws6er]

Nice kill! Typical wah wah, but good job at least trying to provide evidence ;)

[SpeedAddict38]

So let me get this straight, you beat a 400+whp Cobra with your 320ish whp LS1? :bs:

so if somebody has more hp they always win :wtf:

[94VortechGT]

so if somebody has more hp they always win :wtf:


When racing from a roll, 9 times out of 10 yes.

[SpeedAddict38]

When racing from a roll, 9 times out of 10 yes.

depends of the driver mod

[94VortechGT]

depends of the driver mod

So you think a bone stock 96 Mustang GT could pull on a 2002 LS1 SS from a roll?

[N20LT4]

I consider 12.6 mid 12s. I know a few guys who have done it stock. and a pulleyed and tuned cobra will be running around 450rwhp give or take. hell, even on ls1/termie comparissons the terminator runs about .5 sec faster than the ls1, i could go dig up the article, but it was Evan Smith that did it, the same guy that ran 12.87 in a bonse stock Z, his times were about a half second apart. any termie owner, with a little practice can get into the 12.6-12.7 range. so mid-high, still fast

A 'few' guys. Exactly. I've seen a dozen run in the 12.80 range. That seems more realistic for your average guy with his head on straight. j/k.

So you think a bone stock 96 Mustang GT could pull on a 2002 LS1 SS from a roll?

SN95's suck.

[SpecterGT260]

whatever. that sounds more like splitting hairs to me. they are solid 12 second cars however u cut it

[SpeedAddict38]

So you think a bone stock 96 Mustang GT could pull on a 2002 LS1 SS from a roll?

anything could happen in a street race.............point is the guy did kill the cobra in THAT race............give him his credit and you will gain respect on here.......I have never liked Mustangs but I do like the Cobras. Very fast cars. I raced one that was far from stock and he raped me. I felt no shame, it was a bad mother

[94VortechGT]

anything could happen in a street race.............point is the guy did kill the cobra in THAT race............give him his credit and you will gain respect on here.......I have never liked Mustangs but I do like the Cobras. Very fast cars. I raced one that was far from stock and he raped me. I felt no shame, it was a bad mother


The chances of that ever happening are slim to none. I don't care how good of a driver you are. There isn't much to wining a roll race. Especially when you have over a 100hp advantage.

My point is the guy "says" he killed the Cobra and provides a video that could mean anything. You guys fall all over it like that's the way it should have went down. Seriously, I'll give the LS1 credit where it is due but this whole story seems too far fetched. I guarantee if some guy came on here saying he pulled a car length from a roll on a 02 SS in his stock 96 4.6 Mustang, you all would be the first to throw the BS flag on it. Why wouldn't you expect the same in return?

[SpecterGT260]

i believe there was a good number of us that said the cobra should have walked...... after admitting that, if he says he killed it so what?

[SpeedAddict38]

The chances of that ever happening are slim to none. I don't care how good of a driver you are. There isn't much to wining a roll race. Especially when you have over a 100hp advantage.

My point is the guy "says" he killed the Cobra and provides a video that could mean anything. You guys fall all over it like that's the way it should have went down. Seriously, I'll give the LS1 credit where it is due but this whole story seems too far fetched. I guarantee if some guy came on here saying he pulled a car length from a roll on a 02 SS in his stock 96 4.6 Mustang, you all would be the first to throw the BS flag on it. Why wouldn't you expect the same in return?

I dont throw up BS flags unless somebody tells lots of fish tales........I take them for their word and give a congrads

heck when I was a teen I took a 2.2 Charger and beat v8's on curvy roads, people under estimate the driver mod

[01ws6er]

The chances of that ever happening are slim to none. I don't care how good of a driver you are. There isn't much to wining a roll race. Especially when you have over a 100hp advantage.


Slim to none, yes, but slim is the werd in this case

Isn't much to winning a roll, except shifting...You're telling me that if you have more HP and you miss a shift that you are def. going to win (roll race)?:sword:

I was walking on an SRT-8 magnum about a month after I bought my car and was not really used to how close the gearbox is, and missed a shift (2-3), causing the 1 1/2 car lead I had to drop to almost even, and I barely won...

[01ws6er]

I dont throw up BS flags unless somebody tells lots of fish tales........I take them for their word and give a congrads

heck when I was a teen I took a 2.2 Charger and beat v8's on curvy roads, people under estimate the driver mod

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:wall::wall::wall::giveup::giveup:

[SpeedAddict38]

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:wall::wall::wall::giveup::giveup:


I out run the cops in the same car on a curvy road..........I got stories from when I was a teen that are hard for me to believe they happened

[Danger731]

Yeah after he beat you he slowed down real quick so at the end it looks like you won even though the guy is layin on the WOT. Ford guys are dumbasses. Purge yourselves from the planet. Better yet have him look me up. I'll mop the floor with his slowbra.

[hutch1999]

I guarantee if some guy came on here saying he pulled a car length from a roll on a 02 SS in his stock 96 4.6 Mustang, you all would be the first to throw the BS flag on it. Why wouldn't you expect the same in return?

Bud, comparing a low 13 sec. ls1 to a shit box mid 15 sec. 96 4.6 GT isnt the same as comparing the cobra and ls1.

At least the ls1 and cobra are close in 1/4 mile times. But you picked the single worst v8 mustang in the past 20 years to compare to a 2002 ls1.

You are also forgeting how shitty the driver was in the cobra. Just because he had the horse dosent mean he knew how to use it.

[01ws6er]

I out run the cops in the same car on a curvy road..........I got stories from when I was a teen that are hard for me to believe they happened

It was a joke dude, didn't you see all the little guys behind the wall and white flags ;) I'm just havin a little fun seeing as some of the Ford guys can't.

[SpeedAddict38]

It was a joke dude, didn't you see all the little guys behind the wall and white flags ;) I'm just havin a little fun seeing as some of the Ford guys can't.

I know it was a joke lol ..........I was just adding to my story :haha:

[01ws6er]

Bud, comparing a low 13 sec. ls1 to a shit box mid 15 sec. 96 4.6 GT isnt the same as comparing the cobra and ls1.

At least the ls1 and cobra are close in 1/4 mile times. But you picked the single worst v8 mustang in the past 20 years to compare to a 2002 ls1.

You are also forgeting how shitty the driver was in the cobra. Just because he had the horse dosent mean he knew how to use it.

Amen man! A guy on here (TempleU_ws6) and I were goin to my parents for the weekend and we raced a cammed, ported heads, bolt on 94 stang with a 2002 Ws6 with lid, catback, and subframe connectors and we put at least 6-7 lengths from 50-110. The kid was a good driver too, and when we stopped to talk he was surprised by how little work (TempleU) had done, but then said "Oh well, you got more from the factory than I have haha."

It's usually the other way around for us ls1 guys when it comes to the 03' 04' Cobra, but this time the big bad termi lost. wWhy is it so hard to accept that maybe the guy didn't know how to drive?

[flash]

Good F' in Kill!!! And you got the video to prove it. So those Ford guys, I won't say any names (Flash, Trick Stang, 99 Kobra) can't say otherwise.

Why would you bring my name up as im pretty sure ived never said bs to any kill on this forum that I can remember?

Im still waiting for an answer.

[N20LT4]

Bud, comparing a low 13 sec. ls1 to a shit box mid 15 sec. 96 4.6 GT isnt the same as comparing the cobra and ls1.

At least the ls1 and cobra are close in 1/4 mile times. But you picked the single worst v8 mustang in the past 20 years to compare to a 2002 ls1.

You are also forgeting how shitty the driver was in the cobra. Just because he had the horse dosent mean he knew how to use it.

+ 10 for that statement.

My old instructor had a '94 GT 5-speed that bested 15.3 in the low 90's in stock form. He did a Paxton supercharger at 7 psi and a cat-back - nothing else, and wen't mid-low 14's. What a shame.

[Demon_Z28]

I put a few bus lengths on a kids 98 mustang GT (he is in my auto mechanics class in college)...it was sad, and that was with my stock exhaust...my friends bolt on SS beat a Cobra too...but the guy just bought the cobra. I like cobra's, they are sick, and I dont think they get the best respect, but the are fast and pretty wicked with a supercharger, I just have always been a F-Body guy!

[N20LT4]

I put a few bus lengths on a kids 98 mustang GT (he is in my auto mechanics class in college)...it was sad, and that was with my stock exhaust...ahahaha

'98 GT - ha. MM&FF flogged the s*** out of a bone-stock one in an old issue, and was finally able to break 14's w/ a 14.99 after about 10 runs.

[SpecterGT260]

hey, the 96 GT is really fast for a civic :S

[N20LT4]

hey, the 96 GT is really fast for a civic :S

:true: :lmao:

[01ws6er]

+ 10 for that statement.

My old instructor had a '94 GT 5-speed that bested 15.3 in the low 90's in stock form. He did a Paxton supercharger at 7 psi and a cat-back - nothing else, and wen't mid-low 14's. What a shame.

An old buddy from high school rebuilt his 94 stang...347 stroker, cam, heads, trick flow intake (upper/lower) Built T5 and 9", an I think 4.10's and I heard he can't do better than 13.3. Used to run very low 14's (his best was 14.02 I believe) with only cam an bolt ons...

We're supposed to meet up and race one night, so I'm excited to see how I'll fare. I hear the bastard also has 100shot that he hasn't used yet, damnit lol.

[N20LT4]

An old buddy from high school rebuilt his 94 stang...347 stroker, cam, heads, trick flow intake (upper/lower) Built T5 and 9", an I think 4.10's and I heard he can't do better than 13.3. Used to run very low 14's (his best was 14.02 I believe) with only cam an bolt ons...

We're supposed to meet up and race one night, so I'm excited to see how I'll fare. I hear the bastard also has 100shot that he hasn't used yet, damnit lol.

I knew of a similar case where a guy had a '95 Saleen w/ a 331 stroker and was running consistant 13.50's.

Assuming your just slightly modded, as long as he doesn't squeeze that 100-shot I think you'll get the win.

[01ws6er]

I knew of a similar case where a guy had a '95 Saleen w/ a 331 stroker and was running consistant 13.50's.

Assuming your just slightly modded, as long as he doesn't squeeze that 100-shot I think you'll get the win.

Yea, bolt ons (minus tb), a new ls7 clutch, and Td's. He's a damn good driver too, so hopefully I don't screw up. It'd be nice to go motor/motor 1st to see what he's got. We're supposed to do it at the track, but I-95 isn't too far, and I'm sure he'd be down for a roll race too.

[N20LT4]

Yea, bolt ons (minus tb), a new ls7 clutch, and Td's. He's a damn good driver too, so hopefully I don't screw up. It'd be nice to go motor/motor 1st to see what he's got. We're supposed to do it at the track, but I-95 isn't too far, and I'm sure he'd be down for a roll race too.

Yeah looks like you've got the motor to motor run in the bag.

[SpecterGT260]

i dunno..... I ran a 306 with full edelbrock top end, 303 cam, and full boltons and supporting mods in a 95, we were dead even when I had lid and catback. I know hes got a little more than I had then, but that guy should be significantly faster than the one I ran.

[01ws6er]

Just as a comparison I ran 13.3, 13.1, then 13.2 my first time at the track about a month ago now. all runs were @110, so I should actually be running high 12's. It's the same track he runs on as well...

[N20LT4]

Just as a comparison I ran 13.3, 13.1, then 13.2 my first time at the track about a month ago now. all runs were @110, so I should actually be running high 12's. It's the same track he runs on as well...

Get some tires. You could be in the mid 12's. Don't be scared of that 10-bolt - lol.

[SpecterGT260]

my run at the time was 13.3 as well. it depends alot on his tune. I have vids of the race. i actually murdered him before he got tuned. Ill dig them up here:
before tune
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/98-TA-vs-50-mustang-with_89131.htm

aftertune
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/TA-vs-GT-take-2-after-GT_108980.htm

this was before my LTs and cam and nitrous. in the first vid the GT driver comes into the comments with some minor mod corrections, but the list in the video is copied and pasted straight from a PM i got from him.

[flash]

Good F' in Kill!!! And you got the video to prove it. So those Ford guys, I won't say any names (Flash, Trick Stang, 99 Kobra) can't say otherwise.

Why would you bring my name up as im pretty sure ived never said bs to any kill on this forum that I can remember?

Im still waiting for an answer.

[camarojunky74]

Ok.. so I don't get why you would give him a thumbs down? Nice guy in a nice car..
the guy was driving like a total asshole, i mean 16 year old in a civic status, swerving in and out of traffic just to run me, revving his engine and being am noxious, i replied with my feelings towards him not the race

The chances of that ever happening are slim to none. I don't care how good of a driver you are. There isn't much to wining a roll race. Especially when you have over a 100hp advantage.
My point is the guy "says" he killed the Cobra and provides a video that could mean anything. You guys fall all over it like that's the way it should have went down. Seriously, I'll give the LS1 credit where it is due but this whole story seems too far fetched. I guarantee if some guy came on here saying he pulled a car length from a roll on a 02 SS in his stock 96 4.6 Mustang, you all would be the first to throw the BS flag on it. Why wouldn't you expect the same in return?

well, i dont know what to tell you, i raced this cobra 20-100mph, pulled a car right away and maintained it all the way down, screaming blower coming from behind but nothing at my door, call it bs, i dont really car, thats what everyone said about me beating the cobra from a dig, then i show a vid of my dragging its ass by 2 or 3 lengths at the top of the track, and suddenly the excuses come flying out. you can what if all you want, the point is watch the vid again and again, the winner aint gonna change cause its got over 100 rwhp difference, that car has been dyno tuned mid 5's to the ground. i guess a light foot and swift shifting would have served him well.

Just as a comparison I ran 13.3, 13.1, then 13.2 my first time at the track about a month ago now. all runs were @110, so I should actually be running high 12's. It's the same track he runs on as well...

my first time at the track with my 02 on a hot summer day my best was 13.4 at 111. with a 2.4

my second time out to the shitty ass 1/4 strip was a 12.89 at 110 with a 2.0 60

both passes on my toyo street tires. when i run at the 1/8 mile track with gobs of traction i see the usual low 1.9's the occasional high 1.8's and my best 60 a 1.809 on same tires, my fastest 1/8 pass is 8.39 at 85 bone stock except a k&n filter. m6 btw.

[camarojunky74]

Good F' in Kill!!! And you got the video to prove it. So those Ford guys, I won't say any names (Flash, Trick Stang, 99 Kobra) can't say otherwise.

Im still waiting for an answer.

:think::dunno: details please, someone answer this guy lol

[N20LT4]

my run at the time was 13.3 as well. it depends alot on his tune. I have vids of the race. i actually murdered him before he got tuned. Ill dig them up here:
before tune
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/98-TA-vs-50-mustang-with_89131.htm

aftertune
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/TA-vs-GT-take-2-after-GT_108980.htm

this was before my LTs and cam and nitrous. in the first vid the GT driver comes into the comments with some minor mod corrections, but the list in the video is copied and pasted straight from a PM i got from him.

I remember seeing that vid last year and laughing MAO!! Crazy how he had all those mods; increased displacement, compression bump, heads, cam, the whole 9 and still got walked even after the tune. :lol:

[N20LT4]

Im still waiting for an answer.

Let me guess, your still waiting for an answer.:Pepsi:

[nathanmoretti!!11]

o W N E D........lol

[94VortechGT]

Bud, comparing a low 13 sec. ls1 to a shit box mid 15 sec. 96 4.6 GT isnt the same as comparing the cobra and ls1.

At least the ls1 and cobra are close in 1/4 mile times. But you picked the single worst v8 mustang in the past 20 years to compare to a 2002 ls1.

You are also forgeting how shitty the driver was in the cobra. Just because he had the horse dosent mean he knew how to use it.


Oh so now there is no comparison? A stock 96 GT will put down about 190ish HP stock. The SS in this race would put down about 320ish. That gives you a difference of 130whp. A Termy with the mods listed will dyno about 450whp. What's the difference between the SS and the Termy? 130whp! Wow imagine that..... That Termy and SS are just as far apart in performance capability as the 96 GT and the SS.

That's the whole point I am making, if it's the other way around and someone says they smoked a LS1 in their turd 4.6 NPI GT then you guys are like "OH NO, NO, NO!!! THAT CAN"T HAPPEN!!!! NOT AGAINST THE MIGHTY LS1!!!!!!!!" But if your 320whp LS1 pulls on a 450whp Cobra from a roll your like "Hell yeah, good kill, LS1 OWNZ YOUZZZ!!!!"

Seriously, enough BS about that video. Get me a real video that is a good 30 seconds in length showing me the entire race and you'll have some evidence I'll eat and then shut my mouth.....

[mogs01gt]

The dumbass cobra owner probably started off in the wrong gear. I beat up on my buddy's cobra all the time because he cant drive for shit. I only run high 12s..

[hutch1999]

Oh so now there is no comparison? A stock 96 GT will put down about 190ish HP stock. The SS in this race would put down about 320ish. That gives you a difference of 130whp. A Termy with the mods listed will dyno about 450whp. What's the difference between the SS and the Termy? 130whp! Wow imagine that..... That Termy and SS are just as far apart in performance capability as the 96 GT and the SS.

That's the whole point I am making, if it's the other way around and someone says they smoked a LS1 in their turd 4.6 NPI GT then you guys are like "OH NO, NO, NO!!! THAT CAN"T HAPPEN!!!! NOT AGAINST THE MIGHTY LS1!!!!!!!!" But if your 320whp LS1 pulls on a 450whp Cobra from a roll your like "Hell yeah, good kill, LS1 OWNZ YOUZZZ!!!!"

Seriously, enough BS about that video. Get me a real video that is a good 30 seconds in length showing me the entire race and you'll have some evidence I'll eat and then shut my mouth.....

Guy, your still not getting it. Your are comparing dyno numbers not consistantly run times.

Like we said before those 4.6 Gts run mid to low 15s all day long. While stock ls1s run consistantly in the low 13s stock. Thats a difference of over 2 seconds.

Now bolt on cobras run low 12 second 1/4 mile times. Thats a difference of about 1 second.

The 96 GTs are complete and total shit.

But, in my hot rod mag a 96 did win fastest street mustang challenge!!!

It was powered buy a chevy 454 big block with twin turbos...

[94VortechGT]

Guy, your still not getting it. Your are comparing dyno numbers not consistantly run times.

Like we said before those 4.6 Gts run mid to low 15s all day long. While stock ls1s run consistantly in the low 13s stock. Thats a difference of over 2 seconds.

Now bolt on cobras run low 12 second 1/4 mile times. Thats a difference of about 1 second.

The 96 GTs are complete and total shit.

But, in my hot rod mag a 96 did win fastest street mustang challenge!!!

It was powered buy a chevy 454 big block with twin turbos...


Obviously you don't seem to get it. You not get to the track much? I bolton pulled Cobra will break into the 11's in the 1/4th. Have you ever seen the difference between a low 13 second car compared to a high 11 second car? As you get faster, the gap between cars in just a seconds difference gets a LOT bigger. I don't care if the GT does only run low 15's (High 14's is common stock btw), it still don't change the fact that the power difference is about the same.

[hutch1999]

Obviously you don't seem to get it. You not get to the track much? I bolton pulled Cobra will break into the 11's in the 1/4th.

bolt on ls1s will break in the 12s... but is it more common to see low 13s, yes, just like it is more common to see low 12s in a bolt on cobra.

[camarojunky74]

The dumbass cobra owner probably started off in the wrong gear. I beat up on my buddy's cobra all the time because he cant drive for shit. I only run high 12s..

lol... wait wait wait, your telling me that instead of starting in 1st, he started in 2nd or 3rd,

wow. i can assure you he started in 1st and it was a clean race with no missing of any gears

[94VortechGT]

bolt on ls1s will break in the 12s... but is it more common to see low 13s, yes, just like it is more common to see low 12s in a bolt on cobra.

You missed the point I was getting at. Go to the track, watch a low 13 second car race a low 12 second car, then watch a low 13 second car race a high 14 second car, get back to me once you do.

[camarojunky74]

seriously can we stop arguing about something so small and pointless.

i agree with hutch, its a lot harder for a cobra to run down a high 12 sec car after it fucked up the start,then a camaro to run down a 15 sec pig who's trap speed barely creep into the 90mph range,

there is a big differance. also i would also say that the camaro would be a more consistent street car due to it not having irs.

[Ed Blown Vert]

Since I have almost 700 rwhp, I guess I should win most every race.

But I know that's not the case. Driver error can change the outcome.

*watching the thread*

[94VortechGT]

seriously can we stop arguing about something so small and pointless.

i agree with hutch, its a lot harder for a cobra to run down a high 12 sec car after it fucked up the start,then a camaro to run down a 15 sec pig who's trap speed barely creep into the 90mph range,

there is a big differance. also i would also say that the camaro would be a more consistent street car due to it not having irs.

you can go to the track with hutch and get back to me too.

[flash]

Let me guess, your still waiting for an answer.:Pepsi:


So I guess it is safe to ASSume that you are not going to answer my question.You talk about us ford guys calling bs (which I never have)and when I call you on it you ignore it.:ripped:

By the way OP good kill.

[hutch1999]

You missed the point I was getting at. Go to the track, watch a low 13 second car race a low 12 second car, then watch a low 13 second car race a high 14 second car, get back to me once you do.

Friend, you need to look at you own statement. The difference between a low 12 second car and a low 13 second car is 1 second.

Your comparing a low 13 sec car to a high high 14 sec car. Which is considerably more than 1 second. Its actually closer to 2 secs difference than it is to 1 sec.


Its all good, we all know how shitty the mid to late 90s mustangs are. I fell bad for whoever gets a mid 90s mustang. Big let down from the foxbodys.

[02silverz28]

:drama: lol I can beat mid 90's mustangs with my 84 z28.

[94VortechGT]

Friend, you need to look at you own statement. The difference between a low 12 second car and a low 13 second car is 1 second.

Your comparing a low 13 sec car to a high high 14 sec car. Which is considerably more than 1 second. Its actually closer to 2 secs difference than it is to 1 sec.


Its all good, we all know how shitty the mid to late 90s mustangs are. I fell bad for whoever gets a mid 90s mustang. Big let down from the foxbodys.


.......that just shows how much track experience you have. I now know I am arguing with a bunch of kids. I won't further explain since you won't understand anyway.

Funny, last time I checked the engine in my car is the same 5.0 in the fox. You want to line the cars up sometime, I'll show you how shitty they are.

[hutch1999]

.......that just shows how much track experience you have. I now know I am arguing with a bunch of kids. I won't further explain since you won't understand anyway.

Funny, last time I checked the engine in my car is the same 5.0 in the fox. You want to line the cars up sometime, I'll show you how shitty they are.

About the track times, its just general math bud.

I was refering to the 1996 GT 4.6 you were talking about. No need to get defensive about your 5.0, we give respect to the 5.0 motors on this site.

[chuckie669]

Good kill OP...

[N20LT4]

You missed the point I was getting at. Go to the track, watch a low 13 second car race a low 12 second car, then watch a low 13 second car race a high 14 second car, get back to me once you do.

Dude, your really not making a valid point in this here discussion. Atleast not a point that me, or anyone else for that matter can see. It's best to quit now before you dig yourself even deeper.

Funny, last time I checked the engine in my car is the same 5.0 in the fox. You want to line the cars up sometime, I'll show you how shitty they are.

And for the record, the engine in your car has some differences when compared to the 89-93 MAF 5.0's; the Intake Manifold being one of them ;)

- Jay

[Insert]

i dont see where the debate is going. if we look at the video the camaro wins. so i dont see why so many people are trying to pick apart the story (length of hte video??). we see the end of the race, the cobra may have been ahead, the camaro might not have led hte whole way, but eh camaro finishes first.
if we look at numbers and specs only, then hell, the cobra should have won. but it didnt. and thats what counts.

nice kill. it takes balls throwing up a kill story against a stang. they all come out and cry.