Stock LS1 vs 05 GT?

[Huskerz1]

Are there any kills for the LS1 yet? Mustang guys are saying no way LS1 wins stock vs stock. I got a buddy who rants and raves that the LS1 reign is over.

[FastAssZ]

well your buddy is a retard, LS1 will always previal! muahahah

Engines & Power
Mustang GT Deluxe Coupe ------ Camaro Z28 Coupe
Standard Engine -- 4.6L 300 hp ------ V8 5.7L 310 hp V8
Horsepower -- 300 @ 5750 RPM ------ 310 @ 5200 RPM
Torque (lb-ft)-- 320 @ 4500 RPM ------ 340 @ 4000 RPM
Valves/Valve Configuration ---- 24/SOHC ------ 16/OHV
Displacement (cc)-- 4606 ------ 5667
Bore X Stroke (in.) -- 3.55 X 3.54 ------ 3.90 X 3.62
Compression Ratio -- 9.8:1 ------ 10.0:1
Fuel Type/System -- Gas/SEFI ------ Gas/SEFI
Turbocharger -- No ------ No
Supercharger -- No ------ No
Optional Engine -- None ------ 5.7L 325 hp V8
Horsepower -- None ------ 325 @ 5200 RPM
Torque (lb-ft) -- None ------ 350 @ 4000 RPM
Valves/Valve Configuration ---- None ------ 16/OHV
Displacement (cc) -- None ------ 5667
Bore X Stroke (in.) -- None ------ 3.90 X 3.62
Compression Ratio -- None ------ 10.0:1
Fuel Type/System -- None ------ Gas/SEFI
Turbocharger -- None ------ No
Supercharger -- None ------ No

Transmissions
Mustang GT Deluxe Coupe ------ Camaro Z28 Coupe
Standard Transmission -- 5-Speed Manual Overdrive ------ 4-Speed Automatic Overdrive
Optional Transmission -- 5-Speed Automatic Overdrive ------ 6-Speed Manual Overdrive

Weight
Mustang GT Deluxe Coupe ------ Camaro Z28 Coupe
Curb Weight - Automatic (lb.) -- 3500 ------ 3433
Curb Weight - Manual (lb.) -- 3450 ------ 3411

[Hurley711]

And keep in mind the LS1 came out in '98, and even a '98 would own an '05 GT.

[third_shift|studios]

did you even think to read some of the kills in this section, dude????

[Huskerz1]

did you even think to read some of the kills in this section, dude????


Listen, I read thru two pages. I didn't see anything right away. Buy the way I am a new member. I'll look more into the archives soon.
Anyways, I got two neighbors that have 05 GTs also. They swear they kick LS1 ass and that these cars engines and 5-spd aren't the same crap as before. I know the engines are different(3valves and all). Their word is that Ford underrated them and they really are closer to 350hp.

[01mmmz28]

^that's bullshit, I saw a 5sp. 2005 GT dyno 243rwhp and 251 rwtq on a dyno jet at sea level. your average LS1 dynos around 295-300 range. There is no way a new GT beats any LS1 98-2002, unless my dead grandmother is driving the LS1. Tell those stang boys to run ya and makes some x-tra christmas cash in the process.

[Huskerz1]

01mmmz28,
Ya, I think I will. I think these guys are talking from 0-60. Thats all mustang owners are willing to play to around here. I need to get my SS in 3rd to show'em whose boss.

[CookieMonster]

Listen, I read thru two pages. I didn't see anything right away. Buy the way I am a new member. I'll look more into the archives soon.
Anyways, I got two neighbors that have 05 GTs also. They swear they kick LS1 ass and that these cars engines and 5-spd aren't the same crap as before. I know the engines are different(3valves and all). Their word is that Ford underrated them and they really are closer to 350hp.


lol not even close. LS1 will walk the mustang from a roll...from a stop, a better driver in the GT could beat the ls1...but a properly driven ls1 should handle an 05 GT.

[01mmmz28]

they wont even win 0-60, and you wont need 3rd gear to show them the taillights, that will happen as soon as you shift to 2nd, by the top of 3rd you can shut it down and pull into burger king, go through the drivethrough and eat your food before they catch up.

j/k, but it will be an ass-raping for the stanger boyz.

[MikeSomething]

LMAO! I love you guys! I destroyed the new Stang... Most don't even wanna run cause they try to save face w/ their girl next them in the car. My opinion is he who owns a badass Camaro shouldn't look for GT's, they should look for SALEEN's. So funny how much you'd pay for one of them Stang's nowadays to.

[Huskerz1]

LMAO! I love you guys! I destroyed the new Stang... Most don't even wanna run cause they try to save face w/ their girl next them in the car. My opinion is he who owns a badass Camaro shouldn't look for GT's, they should look for SALEEN's. So funny how much you'd pay for one of them Stang's nowadays to.


That's true. They look good and sound good with after market exhaust but the bite is probably just as soft as they ever were. I'm gonna make the proposition for racing to my neighbor with the loudest mouth. Then maybe the block will get quiet again. He's always revving his mouse motor when he drives buy and I'm outside.

[Marc87GN]

I lived mustangs for 5 years and agree that the LS1 is faster. The problem with the 05 GT is that it comes from the factory tuned for 87 octane. No performance car can have an aggressive tune on 87 octane. The people that have had their 05 GTs tuned for 93 octane run low 13s @ about 105-106 mph which would put them in the face of an LS1.

I realize that LS1s are badass cars and have raced enough of them over the years to fill a parkinglot, but some of you talk down about other cars like you have the fastest thing on the road. I look forward to running into that kid that was in diapers when my GN was built and didn't do his homework. :nono:

[mogs01gt]

^that's bullshit, I saw a 5sp. 2005 GT dyno 243rwhp and 251 rwtq on a dyno jet at sea level. your average LS1 dynos around 295-300 range. There is no way a new GT beats any LS1 98-2002, unless my dead grandmother is driving the LS1. Tell those stang boys to run ya and makes some x-tra christmas cash in the process.
actually they are dynoing in the 260-270 range and I have seen one or two hit 280 but that was with the ECU reflashed. The ls1 can dyno any where from 275-315 and I have seen a few in the 275s. Autos of course.


any car can beat any car on any given day. But my money would be on the stock LS1.

[BIG D's SS]

I have handed a couple 05 GT's there ass. Even a Saleen. Don't ever be intimidated by a Mustang.

[Jersey_TA]

I look forward to running into that kid that was in diapers when my GN was built and didn't do his homework. :nono:

I know GNs are one of the few cars that I fear because you simply don't know what is done until you race. Could be stock or a burnout on the dyno.

[Marc87GN]

I know GNs are one of the few cars that I fear because you simply don't know what is done until you race. Could be stock or a burnout on the dyno.

That's the way I'm starting to feel about all of these LS1s/LS2s roaming the streets with rear mounted turbos. I'm helping my friend find a clean 98-up f-body and I'm sure we will be adding mods soon after he picks it up.

[Zboner]

almost every car that wants to race on the street is moded anymore, not many of these cars are stock anymore, thats the problem that people run into when we start talking HP numbers cause you simply do not have a clue about shit anymore. my car can sound totally stock and looks totally stock.

but is camed and internals upgraded along with my transmission to go along with it. its a 400hp car, but looks stock and sounds stock. you just cant tell anymore.

[Marc87GN]

Not to go off topic, but I would love to drop this thing in something.

http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/results.cfm?singlepart=1&partnumber=LS7

[Zboner]

http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/performance_parts/store/dbimagecache/1160.gif

[01mmmz28]

actually they are dynoing in the 260-270 range and I have seen one or two hit 280 but that was with the ECU reflashed. The ls1 can dyno any where from 275-315 and I have seen a few in the 275s. Autos of course.


any car can beat any car on any given day. But my money would be on the stock LS1.

well then, the ones you saw had mods done they were not telling you about, when I get home from work today I will post a dyno slip of an 2005 GT 5sp. w/ cold air induc. and a predator tune and it put down 250ish rwhp. That sir, is a turd IMO.

[Marc87GN]

well then, the ones you saw had mods done they were not telling you about, when I get home from work today I will post a dyno slip of an 2005 GT 5sp. w/ cold air induc. and a predator tune and it put down 250ish rwhp. That sir, is a turd IMO.

I know a good deal about these cars and that doesn't make any sense. Stock they dyno around that on 87 octane so tuned for 93 should make a big difference. I have seen it myself on numerous occasions so there is something material missing from your post. I'm betting it either wasn't tuned for 93 because they do have an 87 tune or it was on a Mustang dyno. Since you said it was a 5 speed does help much since the auto is a 5 speed as well.

[01mmmz28]

^sorry, 5 sp. manual tranny, naw man, this wasn't a mustang dyno, it was a dynojet dyno. waynes dyno and performance on hwy 258, just outside jacksonville, NC. The shop is actually run by a stang fan, who did the tuning on site. Maybe they have hit or miss cars like the LS1, ya know turds and freaks on the dyno.

[Marc87GN]

^sorry, 5 sp. manual tranny, naw man, this wasn't a mustang dyno, it was a dynojet dyno. waynes dyno and performance on hwy 258, just outside jacksonville, NC. The shop is actually run by a stang fan, who did the tuning on site. Maybe they have hit or miss cars like the LS1, ya know turds and freaks on the dyno.

That's real sad if that is the case. I might have to ask for a refund. I have never seen an LS1 be a turd on a dyno. The first time I saw one on the dyno, it hit just over 300 rwhp and I think it only had a lid, my eyes almost popped out. All I could think of was GM has been a liar for years with their numbers.

[stangslayer98]

not sure about the mustang but i had an svt contour with the v6 a while back and you could put both 87 and 93 octane.....the computer adjusted for the lack of octane

[mogs01gt]

well then, the ones you saw had mods done they were not telling you about, when I get home from work today I will post a dyno slip of an 2005 GT 5sp. w/ cold air induc. and a predator tune and it put down 250ish rwhp. That sir, is a turd IMO.
If said car is only putting down 250rwhp, something is horribly wrong. Running off 6 cylinders maybe. They are dynoing high with a tune because Ford tune from the factor is pig rich and with the new throttle setup, the 05 stang doesnt see true WOT until after the tune.

[01mmmz28]

^why would it be so rich from the factory, that would hurt gas/epa ratings, thus adding price and regulations to the car.??????

[mogs01gt]

^why would it be so rich from the factory, that would hurt gas/epa ratings, thus adding price and regulations to the car.??????
no idea, its in the 12/1 12.5/1 range. Maybe because they know people like to mod the crap out of them?

[01mmmz28]

here is what I have, hope the print is not to small, photobucket would not let me enlarge it any more. The site I got it from said it had: Cold air kit, and diablo predator tuning.........

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/nc1camaroman/05stangdyno.jpg

[01mmmz28]

^the numbers are 254 rwhp, 274 rwtq.

[The Rookie]

Raced my buddies 05 GT. I beat him from a dead stop. by the time i hit second I had 1 car link on him. finished at third with about 5 links on him. His is a manual and mine is an M6. You can read my minor mods at the bottom. His GT has no cats, with magnaflow duals. I have ridden in his car a bunch of times, it just doesn't pull like the SS in any gear.

[yellow93ta]

I seen a 05 gt with the man. trans here in KC. on a dynojet pull 285hp. and 280tq. all stock except it did have a dynotune, from supertune here in kc. I ended up running him at the track at kcir. and lost to him by 1/10th of a sec.
and that is when I dynoe'd at 265hp. and 302tq. I was running pig rich. and I have an auto, with 323's in it...he did trap higher though, his 102 to my 99mph.

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

Raced my buddies 05 GT. I beat him from a dead stop. by the time i hit second I had 1 car link on him. finished at third with about 5 links on him. His is a manual and mine is an M6. You can read my minor mods at the bottom. His GT has no cats, with magnaflow duals. I have ridden in his car a bunch of times, it just doesn't pull like the SS in any gear.
It would have been ugly if you went to 4th

[volksmech1]

I seen a 05 gt with the man. trans here in KC. on a dynojet pull 285hp. and 280tq. all stock except it did have a dynotune, from supertune here in kc. I ended up running him at the track at kcir. and lost to him by 1/10th of a sec.
and that is when I dynoe'd at 265hp. and 302tq. I was running pig rich. and I have an auto, with 323's in it...he did trap higher though, his 102 to my 99mph.
so what part of kc ya from. and my main question is where can i dyno my car? just got my ss and i live in gladstone area. i heard there was one down towards olatha but i dont know.

[01mmmz28]

I seen a 05 gt with the man. trans here in KC. on a dynojet pull 285hp. and 280tq. all stock except it did have a dynotune, from supertune here in kc. I ended up running him at the track at kcir. and lost to him by 1/10th of a sec.
and that is when I dynoe'd at 265hp. and 302tq. I was running pig rich. and I have an auto, with 323's in it...he did trap higher though, his 102 to my 99mph.

well, don't feel bad it was still kinda close considering your car is 12 years old, has miles on it and he had you in power, you did well:)

[bryguy258]

the 05 mustangs are a peice of, well you know. I raced a couple at GLD and they were running mid to low 14's. When my 99 z-28 was stock I was running mid 13's, actually 13.4, which was on a hot day. Now I run mid to high 12's. The best 05 mustang that I saw ran 14.3.

[ctbeiser]

I smoked a 05 Stang GT on the highway this summer. My 2004 GTO was screaming! We ran up to about 140 MPH and he was definately in my rearview. I was very happy because I almost bought an 05 Stang GT.

[yellow93ta]

Yeah I was pretty suprised I hung that close, I just wish I couldve beaten him...well maybe when I get the 373's in,new exhaust cutout then I can get one....there is two dyno shops around kc..one is called mcracing..phone is 913-789-9888. they are at southwest boulevard and antioch.. and then there is supertune where I go, they are a great bunch of guys they are right off of 162nd. and metcalf. there number is 913-814-7243. they both are around 80.00 for 3 pulls with the a/f reading, and both of them can dynotune your ls1...

[Roastem]

well then, the ones you saw had mods done they were not telling you about, when I get home from work today I will post a dyno slip of an 2005 GT 5sp. w/ cold air induc. and a predator tune and it put down 250ish rwhp. That sir, is a turd IMO.
A turd, LMAO!

[toneloc60]

Listen, I read thru two pages. I didn't see anything right away. Buy the way I am a new member. I'll look more into the archives soon.
Anyways, I got two neighbors that have 05 GTs also. They swear they kick LS1 ass and that these cars engines and 5-spd aren't the same crap as before. I know the engines are different(3valves and all). Their word is that Ford underrated them and they really are closer to 350hp.
I dunno, I killed one with my stocker 6 speed. He ran me twice to make sure it wasn't a fluke. The result, he had a more pissed off look on his face the second time.

[MikeSomething]

well then, the ones you saw had mods done they were not telling you about, when I get home from work today I will post a dyno slip of an 2005 GT 5sp. w/ cold air induc. and a predator tune and it put down 250ish rwhp. That sir, is a turd IMO.
Yes sir, a turd! :loser:

[LS1 Eddie]

I pulled away from one by about a car. His was a manual and dead stock, and I'm an LT1.

[Demon_Speeding]

When I went to the strip in June there was one with exhaust (catback for sure) maybe more exhuast than that...it did sound good. It was on ET Streets and skinnies. Dropping the clutch from I'd say at around 4K and was running low 13's.

[01mmmz28]

^so it took that guy, exhaust(possibly full) and drag radials to run low 13's....ha ha ha ha hah ............i ran that bone stock(13.3 @105) w/ out knowing how to drive the 6sp very well.

[mogs01gt]

When I went to the strip in June there was one with exhaust (catback for sure) maybe more exhuast than that...it did sound good. It was on ET Streets and skinnies. Dropping the clutch from I'd say at around 4K and was running low 13's.
that is funny since 99-04 GTs are running mid to high 12s with the same mods.:Ohno: :thinkin:

[newguy WS6]

We could all be beat on any given day by most any given car... I have had Mustangs and Spent lots of $$ on them. IMO lS1 is still the way to go!! I always love a good street race reguardless of what kind of car ir is.. Just dont like being caught..:hide:

Steve

[01mmmz28]

that is funny since 99-04 GTs are running mid to high 12s with the same mods.:Ohno: :thinkin:

sorry bro, but that is a little to far fetched for me to beleive. 99-04 GT's are low 14 sec cars, w/ a full exhaust and DR's I do NOT see one chopping off 1.5-1.7 seconds. I have been to the track way to many times and have never ever seen that. I have seen an 04 w/ full bolt-ons only hittin 13.5's........maybe the guy couldn't drive, but there is now way in hell he was that bad, he hit the same times very consistantly all day?????????? plus you are in Ohio, which has more elevation than me, here in NC.???????

[mogs01gt]

sorry bro, but that is a little to far fetched for me to beleive. 99-04 GT's are low 14 sec cars, w/ a full exhaust and DR's I do NOT see one chopping off 1.5-1.7 seconds. I have been to the track way to many times and have never ever seen that. I have seen an 04 w/ full bolt-ons only hittin 13.5's........maybe the guy couldn't drive, but there is now way in hell he was that bad, he hit the same times very consistantly all day?????????? plus you are in Ohio, which has more elevation than me, here in NC.???????
Sorry, I thought it said full bolt ons. I was drinking a little bit last night :).

Here is a list of Bolt on and other GTs.
http://forums.modulardepot.com/bestets.php?&page=2&orderby=&filter=2VNA

[ur jlus]

Mustank GT's :thumbdn: are slow. I ran a '03 Cobra on the freeway and was even till 140 where I pulled a fender. We both stayed on it bouncing the needle, he didn't catch back up. Still he refuses to admit being owned. Poor dissalutioned Mustank people!

[01mmmz28]

^you must have some serious work done, verts are heavier than a regular fbody and to do that to an 03/04 cobra means you have mods. What ya got done to your car??

[Marc87GN]

^you must have some serious work done, verts are heavier than a regular fbody and to do that to an 03/04 cobra means you have mods. What ya got done to your car??

If he says stock, we know he is FOS. Just be glad that 03/04 didn't have a pulley. That would be the first thing I do to it. Pulley, exhaust & tires and 11s @ 120 mph are real easy.

[mogs01gt]

Mustank GT's :thumbdn: are slow. I ran a '03 Cobra on the freeway and was even till 140 where I pulled a fender. We both stayed on it bouncing the needle, he didn't catch back up. Still he refuses to admit being owned. Poor dissalutioned Mustank people!
and what do you run

[BIG D's SS]

If he says stock, we know he is FOS. Just be glad that 03/04 didn't have a pulley. That would be the first thing I do to it. Pulley, exhaust & tires and 11s @ 120 mph are real easy.

Hell where we are at you won't see an 11 second Cobra. Most of them are in the 13's high 12's on there best day. I need to go run where ya'll are at. Hell mine would be fucking a 10 second car where ya'll are at.

[Zboner]

its nice here, meaning the elevation

[BIG D's SS]

It sucks here.

[Zboner]

i know it does, drove through there quite a few times.

[Marc87GN]

Hell where we are at you won't see an 11 second Cobra. Most of them are in the 13's high 12's on there best day. I need to go run where ya'll are at. Hell mine would be fucking a 10 second car where ya'll are at.

I agree that's what they run stock. Here, we are at or near sea level so we don't have any elevation issues.

[Marc87GN]

Hell where we are at you won't see an 11 second Cobra. Most of them are in the 13's high 12's on there best day. I need to go run where ya'll are at. Hell mine would be fucking a 10 second car where ya'll are at.

I'm usually down your way a couple of times a year. My dad's family is in Brunswick, Ga and my monther's side is from Atmore, alabama. I'm the yankee in the family.

[BIG D's SS]

I agree that's what they run stock. Here, we are at or near sea level so we don't have any elevation issues.

Most of those cars are modded running 13's or 12's.

[Marc87GN]

Most of those cars are modded running 13's or 12's.

I would imagine LS1s aren't performing up to par either. It wouldn't make sense for a car that depends more an atmospheric pressure to perfrom well under the same conditions.

[mogs01gt]

Hell where we are at you won't see an 11 second Cobra. Most of them are in the 13's high 12's on there best day. I need to go run where ya'll are at. Hell mine would be fucking a 10 second car where ya'll are at.
most around here are running 10s with KBs. I havent seen a stock Cobra for a longggg time.

[BIG D's SS]

I would imagine LS1s aren't performing up to par either. It wouldn't make sense for a car that depends more an atmospheric pressure to perfrom well under the same conditions.

Mine with my mods is 13.1@111mph with a 2.2 60ft time. I run that on street tires and still need a few mods for my setup. Intake, ported T/b, and different exhaust. I should be mid to low 12's easy, but traction and those couple of mods are killing me.

[Marc87GN]

Mine with my mods is 13.1@111mph with a 2.2 60ft time. I run that on street tires and still need a few mods for my setup. Intake, ported T/b, and different exhaust. I should be mid to low 12's easy, but traction and those couple of mods are killing me.


You would probably be much faster up here. Cobras with simple bolt-ons including a pulley, run easy high 11s/low 12s at just around 119-120 mph. That Eaton M112 is barely being used from the factory. Different pulley usually wakes them up a bit. KB whipple blowers are an entirely different animal. 600+ rwhp is not uncommon with KB blowers.

[BIG D's SS]

I need to go somewhere like that and get a good time slip those are far between here.

[mogs01gt]

Mine with my mods is 13.1@111mph with a 2.2 60ft time. I run that on street tires and still need a few mods for my setup. Intake, ported T/b, and different exhaust. I should be mid to low 12's easy, but traction and those couple of mods are killing me.
damn man, that car should be well over 115, depending if you have any weight reduction of course.. If I ever get to the damn track, fucking weather, I hope to be trapping around 110-113 as I sit now. No my car isnt near stock weight :Ohno: .

[Marc87GN]

I can't wait to try out my GN on the track. I just dropped in a built shortblock w/Lunati cam, P&P heads/intake, front mount intercooler & bigger turbo. I have been told by guys with similar setup run 11s @ 115+ on pump gas and low 11s/high 10s on race gas with this turbo. I have my eye on a BB-T-70 for next summer though.

[BIG D's SS]

Congrats and good luck with it. Keep us posted on hwo it turns out.

[ur jlus]

If he says stock, we know he is FOS. Just be glad that 03/04 didn't have a pulley. That would be the first thing I do to it. Pulley, exhaust & tires and 11s @ 120 mph are real easy.
His '03 Cobra is stock exept for loudmouth exhaust and it is a vert.
I have a '02 Z28 vert, ram air, k&n, lid, flowmaster, flowmaster, hypertech tuning, smooth bellows.

[BIG D's SS]

damn man, that car should be well over 115, depending if you have any weight reduction of course.. If I ever get to the damn track, fucking weather, I hope to be trapping around 110-113 as I sit now. No my car isnt near stock weight :Ohno: .

Full car with cleaning accesories a few jackets. Never clean it out. I run it like I brung it. No weight reductions. Gotta run like I keep it normally.

[mogs01gt]

Full car with cleaning accesories a few jackets. Never clean it out. I run it like I brung it. No weight reductions. Gotta run like I keep it normally.
i gotcha, mine maybe will have CDs in it if that.

[BIG D's SS]

i gotcha, mine maybe will have CDs in it if that.

Next year I will be a little more serious. I didn't even have sfc's. I'm gonna get my intake, ported t/b, new catback and a new dyno tune after that. Damn i can't wait. If I get balls enough to get some drag radials and go for low 12's.

[slo98ss]

ive raped 2, and i have a lid and shifter.....

[Marc87GN]

ive raped 2, and i have a lid and shifter.....

you have raped 2 what?

[00pewterz]

I wasted an 05 stang this summer real bad. I was actually dissapointed:dunno: . By the time i hit 2nd there was at least 2 car lengths between us. I thought the first one was a fluke, but we ran at least 3 more times with the same result. I haven't had the chance to run another one to see if the guy was just a bad driver!

[MikeSomething]

I wasted an 05 stang this summer real bad. I was actually dissapointed:dunno: . By the time i hit 2nd there was at least 2 car lengths between us. I thought the first one was a fluke, but we ran at least 3 more times with the same result. I haven't had the chance to run another one to see if the guy was just a bad driver!

Nice car ya got man! Trust me, it's the car, you chose wisely when you got yer LS1! :yup:

[BlownPNY]

I have handed a couple 05 GT's there ass. Even a Saleen. Don't ever be intimidated by a Mustang.

Hello for starters. I think this site is great. I enjoy reading the KILLS section of the forums. Always interesting to hear about others encounters.

As for the intimidation of mustangs thing, I'd have to say that you shouldn't be intimidated of any car you meet only in awe perhaps of a select few. Anyway, I'm a firm believer in the saying that, "There is always someone faster out there, it just depends on how much money you're willing to spend."

[00pewterz]

LS1 Right from the start. Didn't even think of getting anything else!

[nhraformula]

i seen a few at 41 dragway do no better than high 13s.
hell, when stock i was pulling mid 13s on eagle gsc tires.

[litemup02]

http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/performance_parts/store/dbimagecache/1160.gif
Oh ya!!! You guys think i could stick that rat in the SS or what. Gimme a week,BFH,and a torch and i'll finnaly reach the 10's:lol:

[Gonad]

Hello for starters. I think this site is great. I enjoy reading the KILLS section of the forums. Always interesting to hear about others encounters.

As for the intimidation of mustangs thing, I'd have to say that you shouldn't be intimidated of any car you meet only in awe perhaps of a select few. Anyway, I'm a firm believer in the saying that, "There is always someone faster out there, it just depends on how much money you're willing to spend."


Well said!!!:notworthy:

[DarthD]

Out of an average of 26 road tests for Camaro 1998-2002 and 9 road tests for the 2005 Mustang these are the results: (Manual Transmission)

Camaro 0-60 5.3 seconds
Mustang 0-60 5.3 seconds

Camaro 0-100 12.50 seconds
Mustang 0-100 13.35 seconds

Camaro 1/4 mile 13.6 @ 105.7 mph
Mustang 1/4 mile 13.9 @ 102.3 mph

Quickest Mustang test I have found so far 13.50 @ 102.4. I heard someone ran a 13.3X but I have not seen it.
Quickest Camaro test 12.89 @ 107 mph

Slowest Camaro 14.1 @ ??? from MSN.com
Slowest Mustang 14.3@102.31from Edmunds.com


It looks like the Mustang will hang 0-60. But the LS1 will pull on it after that. I think the Mustang is a little easier to launch.
Don't forget driver skill.
Good driver in Mustang, not so good driver in Camaro = Win for the Mustang.

Mach I 5spd 2003+
Average 0-60 5.24
Average 1/4 Mile 13.53@104.48
Quickest 13.18@105.24
Slowest 14.12@105.5
(Averages from 10 road tests.)

As you can see, the Mach I is still the King of naturally aspirated Mustangs.
Also, this car can do pretty well against an LS1. It can easily be a driver's race although, everthing being equal, the LS1 still has the advantage.
I raced my friends Mach I from a roll. Both cars factory stock. It's a quick car and could possibly take me in the quarter if he gets a better launch, but my WS6 will eventually catch up. There is no contest on the highway. Bye bye Mach I....

More Stuff to compare:
Camaro 60-0 126ft
Mustang 60-0 127ft

Camaro Skid pad .86g
Mustang Skid Pad .86g

Camaro Slalom 62.13mph
Mustang Slalom 63.7 mph

Camaro Top Speed 160
Mustang top Speed 150

Camaro MPG 19/28
Mustang MPG 17/25

Average STOCK M6 2002 Camaro Rear Wheel Power 314hp 330tq
Average STOCK M5 2005 Mustang Rear Wheel Power 268hp 282tq

With a 12% drivetrain loss =
Camaro 357hp
Mustang 305hp.

The Ford guys are right. The Mustang IS underrated! :lol: Five whole horsepower!! :lol: They are now making 5 more hp than the Lt1 had back in 1993! Only 95 hp to go to finally catch up with GM. They are almost there!
:thumbup:

I know I sound like I'm bashing the car but I really do like the new GT. It is a nice car. It's just not up to LS1 performance standards yet.