Strange S60 or 12 Bolt?

[Patsy57]

I am looking into a new Strange Rear I am kind of confused as to whether I should go with the S60 or the 12 bolt drop in rears for my 02 TA. Any help? Also what ABS do I go with 3 or 4? I need it to be a direct bolt in, I want to keep the brakes stock if I have 2.

Thanks

[Zboner]

3 channel, do you have traction control?

[Patsy57]

no i don`t believe i do.

[Zboner]

are you sure you dont have traction control that little switch that would be next to your right knee??

[Patsy57]

no i do not it would be in front of my sticj shift in the square empty compartment ( wouldnt be empty if I had it)

[Zboner]

good deal its the 3 channel, do you want to keep ABS? cause its 200 option i believe

[Patsy57]

I am not sure what I want to do yet, The car is a daily driver even though I do not drive it daily. What would you do?

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

I'm leaning towards the 9". It's stronger than the 12 and lighter than the 60. I'm still researching them though.

[Zboner]

i got a 9" with a spool, and no traction control cause u cant with a 9" and it was the strongest rear other then the S60 for the least amount of money

[Patsy57]

I'm leaning towards the 9". It's stronger than the 12 and lighter than the 60. I'm still researching them though.

to me the rear sits to high with a 9" thats why i decided against it.

[Zboner]

my 9" with the spool its the lightest rear you can get and i got the alum center section

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

to me the rear sits to high with a 9" thats why i decided against it.

I haven't heard that yet. Details?

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

good deal its the 3 channel, do you want to keep ABS? cause its 200 option i believe

What kind of brakes are you using? Can you still use Stock or do you really need the Explorer ones?

[Patsy57]

you guys have pictures of your 9" installed?

[Mr. Luos]

Moser 9" with TrueTrac.

http://www.arbybean.com/ar/images/Feb001.JPG
I have never heard of the rearend sitting higher with the 9"

[shady milkman]

also worth noting is that the 9" is the lease efficient of the 3 rear ends..so even tho its lighter it still eats up power. The new strange dana s60 is built to be a direct bolt on for f-bodies..it also is the strongest and the most efficient...there will be no questions when i decide to get a new rear...it will be a dana s60

[Mr. Luos]

The 12 bolt and the Dana rears scare me when it comes to the torque arm bolting on.
If it breaks...the whole rearend is trashed.

I went 9". Torque arm bracket brakes?? Replace the bracket, not the whole rearend.
Will most have to concern themselves with breaking that?? No.


If I had to do it again...I would go with the same thing I did, but with the aluminum center section.
TruTrac Moser 9"
31 spline
4.11's

[Patsy57]

The 12 bolt and the Dana rears scare me when it comes to the torque arm bolting on.
If it breaks...the whole rearend is trashed.

I went 9". Torque arm bracket brakes?? Replace the bracket, not the whole rearend.
Will most have to concern themselves with breaking that?? No.


If I had to do it again...I would go with the same thing I did, but with the aluminum center section.
TruTrac Moser 9"
31 spline
4.11's

What size tires and rims you running on the back?

[shady milkman]

see now i have hear horror stories about moser...i heard strange is slllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwww with getting you their rear. Dont get me wrong C..i dont mind the 9" but its not necessarily a bolt on rear end..and plus you trade off efficiency for the strength..so why not go with even more strength and the best efficiency that actually outweights the lose in weight....p.s get on aim..i need to im you

[shady milkman]

What size tires and rims you running on the back?

TTs 17x11 out back with 315 DRs correct C?

[Mr. Luos]

TTs 17x11 out back with 315 DRs correct C?
:yup: For street anyways.


I will be running 27x11.5x15 Hoosier QTP's for drag.

[FuhBreezeE]

Nothing wrong with my Moser 12 Bolt. :toetap:

[Mr. Luos]

Nothing wrong with my Moser 12 Bolt. :toetap:
How is your driveshaft tunnel? :D

[FuhBreezeE]

How is your driveshaft tunnel? :D

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[Mr. Luos]

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[FuhBreezeE]

BESIDES the driveshaft tunnel, my Moser is fine. Just watch out for the top of the torque arm smashing into the body of the car.

[Patsy57]

so If I go with the S60, can I use an aftermarket torque arm with the torque arm relocation bracket?

[Mr. Luos]

so If I go with the S60, can I use an aftermarket torque arm with the torque arm relocation bracket?
:yup:

Do you have either part yet?? S60 or torque arm?

[Patsy57]

nope, and I know your response to that is go with a 9" correct?

[Mr. Luos]

nope, and I know your response to that is go with a 9" correct?
No.
I already mentioned that. :lol:

Get what you want. Some torque arm manufacturers ask what rearend you have in the car is why I asked.

[Patsy57]

ahhh I see, I havn`t gotten either yet and I am confused as to what to buy. So when I purchase the torque arm I should state that I run an S60 if that is what I have?

[Mr. Luos]

ahhh I see, I havn`t gotten either yet and I am confused as to what to buy. So when I purchase the torque arm I should state that I run an S60 if that is what I have?
Yes. Just in case. Depends on which torque arm you go with. Not sure which ones it makes a difference one.
UMI asked...but the same torque arm worked on my 10 bolt and my 9".

[Zboner]

What kind of brakes are you using? Can you still use Stock or do you really need the Explorer ones?


im useing my stock brakes, never heard or running explorer brakes with the 9" from Moser.

[Zboner]

you guys have pictures of your 9" installed?


:yup:

here ya go man, not the best pics, and it does NOT change the stance of the car what so ever.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2084000-2084999/2084495_436_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2084000-2084999/2084495_438_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2084000-2084999/2084495_437_full.jpg

[LS2Tuner]

Neither!! I would put a 9" in it. Stronger,less power to spin,easier gear swaps,looks much cleaner.

You can get a complete 9" with a Detroit Locker for cheaper that that S60 or a 12 bolt.

They will beat anyones prices and if you do some research a few other members have already bought one from these guys. They will make what ever length you want for added tire clearance also.

http://stores.ebay.com/Quick-Performance-Racing

[LS2Tuner]

Nothing wrong with my Moser 12 Bolt. :toetap:

Other than the price NO.:Poke:

[FuhBreezeE]

Other than the price NO.:Poke:

$2200 to my door is a bad price? I don't mind.

[INMY01TA]

Is your car manual or auto? For an auto a 12 bolt (prefferibly Strange) will do fine. Most efficient of em all. For manual I'd go 9' with Detroit Locker. Strongest of the 3.

[shady milkman]

Neither!! I would put a 9" in it. Stronger,less power to spin,easier gear swaps,looks much cleaner.

You can get a complete 9" with a Detroit Locker for cheaper that that S60 or a 12 bolt.

They will beat anyones prices and if you do some research a few other members have already bought one from these guys. They will make what ever length you want for added tire clearance also.

http://stores.ebay.com/Quick-Performance-Racing

[QUOTE=INMY01TA;1377973]Is your car manual or auto? For an auto a 12 bolt (prefferibly Strange) will do fine. Most efficient of em all. For manual I'd go 9' with Detroit Locker. Strongest of the 3.[/QUOTE

both of you guys are wrong..the dana s60 is the strongest by far and also the 9" does not take less power to spin then the other two..thats a downright lie actually..the 9" is the most inefficient of the 3.

9 is the cheapest..followed by the dana s60 and then the 12bolt
the s60 is the most efficient , followed by the 12 then the 9"
the 9 is the heaviest, then the 12, then the s60

[xzaero0]

Moser 9" with tru track, 3.70. With traction control, pretty much a direct bolt in. UMI Lower control arms and relocation brackets welded in. Torque arm and relocation bracket just a slight thud under car when changing gear from drive to reverse, its barely noticeable. SSSSOOOO much better than the 10 bolt and stock suspension setup. Its alot more stable and I dont think it sits any higher either. Also using stock brakes. But it took awhile to get here. Also some gear whine but only at decel and just like the thud its barely notice able. (If the radio is on you cannot hear it at all)

I have a buddy thats camming his SS and its getting a 12 bolt- the 12 bolt with 3.93s, should be here next week.

CustomSSI did mine. Got a really good deal on it and install.

[LS2Tuner]

[QUOTE=INMY01TA;1377973]Is your car manual or auto? For an auto a 12 bolt (prefferibly Strange) will do fine. Most efficient of em all. For manual I'd go 9' with Detroit Locker. Strongest of the 3.[/QUOTE

both of you guys are wrong..the dana s60 is the strongest by far and also the 9" does not take less power to spin then the other two..thats a downright lie actually..the 9" is the most inefficient of the 3.

9 is the cheapest..followed by the dana s60 and then the 12bolt
the s60 is the most efficient , followed by the 12 then the 9"
the 9 is the heaviest, then the 12, then the s60

WTF???:wtf:

Sorry but you must read too much BS on the web. A Dana 60 is the heaviest most in efficient rearend out there!! Thats why none of use run them. We buy old school race cars with them and cut them out and scrap them.

"the dana s60 is the strongest by far " No shit it is an over built heavy rearend. Unless you got 1300hp why put the heaviest rearend you can buy???
Sorry but you have your info seriously twisted if you even begin to think a 9" is anywhere near the weight of a Dana 60.
Have you ever looked at the two of them side by side.
Not just reading some bullshit on the web someone posted. We build tube chassis cars on a table off of jigs. I'm stating straight facts. I have been building cars for 14 years and you are wrong.
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Yeah it only goes 8.0's but we settled for a 9".:ughlaugh:

:goodluck:

[Patsy57]

I see some sort of BMR brackets there what are they?

[Patsy57]

ok i think i am going with a 9" any suggestions on brand or make? Any specific setup? I mean this is still a daily driver not just a strip car. Lemme know.

Thanks

[xzaero0]

Moser
Detroit Tru Track

[LS2Tuner]

ok i think i am going with a 9" any suggestions on brand or make? Any specific setup? I mean this is still a daily driver not just a strip car. Lemme know.

Thanks




Neither!! I would put a 9" in it. Stronger,less power to spin,easier gear swaps,looks much cleaner.

You can get a complete 9" with a Detroit Locker for cheaper that that S60 or a 12 bolt.

They will beat anyones prices and if you do some research a few other members have already bought one from these guys. They will make what ever length you want for added tire clearance also.

http://stores.ebay.com/Quick-Performance-Racing

As I already posted THEY WILL BEAT ANY PRICE!!!

:usa:

[Zboner]

Moser
Detroit Tru Track


yup i second, also If I were you I would opt for the alum center section saves i think about 45lbs :D

[Patsy57]

As I already posted THEY WILL BEAT ANY PRICE!!!

:usa:

See what would be good but I do not know the Specs on what exactly i want. This is all new to me

[xzaero0]

Just make sure that you get all the suspension parts to go along with it. Your car will stiffen up, ride better and feel way more stable under hard accl/decel. And your rear end wont flex anymore, so even if it is heavier you will still prolly put more power down than the 10 bolt did under hard driving.

I'm told that it is easier to change the gear ratio in the 9". So if you were going to drive it across county you could always run a higher gear and change it out in your garage.

The gears I went to I gained about 200rpm @ 60mph figured it out and still get +23mpg mostly highway driving...but I need a better tune.

One more thing I went with the 31 spline axles...I fugured that I would prolly never have to have the need for the 33.

I payed for mine along with the UMI torque arm relocation bracket delivery and install for less than $2,800

[LS2Tuner]

See what would be good but I do not know the Specs on what exactly i want. This is all new to me

The key things you need to know is WHAT tire are you going to run (dia.)?
WHAT gear you need to keep the rpm in your power band?
Stock cam?
Those are the few key determining points I would use to make my decision.
I prefer a Locker versus a clutch or cone type posi because I really enjoy doing donuts which will burn up the other types. The Detroit locker is mechanical and won't wear out. Some don't like due to the noise but I actually like the clicking. Most have such loud exhaust now the clicking around corners would Never be heard.

[shady milkman]

[QUOTE=shady milkman;1378103]

WTF???:wtf:

Sorry but you must read too much BS on the web. A Dana 60 is the heaviest most in efficient rearend out there!! Thats why none of use run them. We buy old school race cars with them and cut them out and scrap them.

"the dana s60 is the strongest by far " No shit it is an over built heavy rearend. Unless you got 1300hp why put the heaviest rearend you can buy???
Sorry but you have your info seriously twisted if you even begin to think a 9" is anywhere near the weight of a Dana 60.
Have you ever looked at the two of them side by side.
Not just reading some bullshit on the web someone posted. We build tube chassis cars on a table off of jigs. I'm stating straight facts. I have been building cars for 14 years and you are wrong.

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Yeah it only goes 8.0's but we settled for a 9".:ughlaugh:

:goodluck:

relax captain. i never said it was the lightest rearend..but it has the least amount of gear loss..at 5%
now this is where i might be mistaken..but isnt there a old dana s60..and a brand new dana s60 that is specifically made for the f-bod that strange released a little bit ago? if your ripping them out of old muscle cars then we must be not on the same level...

p.s i never said i hated the 9" or it wasn't good. its one of the most stout rears around...never denied it..but you traded off more gear loss for that stoutness

[shady milkman]

opps i apologizes..i didnt mean heaviest in my original post..the dana does way more then the other two..my bad :sorry:

[LS2Tuner]

It's all good.:itsok:

No biggie just people tend to believe everything they read on the web. There is just NO point to have all that added unsprung weight to me. Unsprung is more critical.

We rip them out of chassis race cars. The only muscle cars that came with the Dana 60's are the BIG money MOPARS.

And then everyone hopes on the ding-dong of these BIG brand name rearends. Unless your over a 1000hp and have a chassis that is going to dead hook your wasting money. You aren't breaking a 31,33,or35 spline axle with under 1000hp. Plus if you go with the 9" we almost always go with the 33spline axles due to the fact the price is the same. The only reason we use 31 is because you might already have a 3member that has a 31 spline spool or locker.

NEVER RUN A SPOOL OR MINI-SPOOL ON THE STREET ALSO!

[Mr. Luos]

31 spline axle (last I checked anyways) is the max you can run with the Detroit TruTrac.

[LS2Tuner]

31 spline axle (last I checked anyways) is the max you can run with the Detroit TruTrac.

Your probably right about a TruTrack Never ran one or had a customer buy one. That uses a complete different design than a dog toothed Detroit Locker that I was referring to.

[TransAm11973]

now i dont beleive anything i thought b/c eveyone contradics everyone!! Damn it!

[shady milkman]

now i dont beleive anything i thought b/c eveyone contradics everyone!! Damn it!

what were you thinking?

[INMY01TA]

originally posted by shady milkman
both of you guys are wrong..the dana s60 is the strongest by far


:nono: Apparently I'm not the only one that disagrees.
http://www.sunrayengineering.com/nine.html
http://www.truehi9.com/gears2.html

[shady milkman]

:nono: Apparently I'm not the only one that disagrees.
http://www.sunrayengineering.com/nine.html
http://www.truehi9.com/gears2.html

actually i am pretty sure no one is arguing that the f-bod s60 isn't the strongest..it deff is

[INMY01TA]

originally posted by shady milkmanactually i am pretty sure no one is arguing that the f-bod s60 isn't the strongest..it deff is not
Fixed. It's cool, your entitled to you factless opinion.

[shady milkman]

5/8 studs...9.75 ring gear..thats .75 bigger then the 9"...and a 35 or 40 spline...how is it weaker?

[shady milkman]

where are your facts there bud?

[chuckie669]

This is what I've been considering. Link for the S60. From what I've seen the S60 is actually cheaper than the 9" from where i've been pricing.

http://www.strangeengineering.net/newprod/2006/NewLateFBodyRearendAD1.html

[INMY01TA]

where are your facts there bud?Did you read the links I posted there bud?
http://www.sunrayengineering.com/nine.html
http://www.truehi9.com/gears2.html
Cliff's notes for ya:
- Ford 9" pinion is significantly larger than a D60, closer to the size of a D80.
- Ford 9" ring gear is thicker.
- Ford 9" pinion is supported on both sides.
- Ford 9" has greater vertical pinion offset, giving it more teeth in mesh.
- Ford 9" pinion teeth are at a steeper angle, putting more teeth in mesh.
- Ford 9" has thicker teeth.
- Ford 9" is lighter than D60.
- Ford 9" main caps are larger and thicker than D60.

[LS2Tuner]

5/8 studs...9.75 ring gear..thats .75 bigger then the 9"...and a 35 or 40 spline...how is it weaker?

Here I'll post pics and if you can't see it your blind!!

http://www.sunrayengineering.com/images/IM000510.jpg

http://www.sunrayengineering.com/images/IM000513.jpg

http://www.sunrayengineering.com/images/IM000515.jpg

http://www.sunrayengineering.com/images/maincap1.jpg

http://www.sunrayengineering.com/images/maincap2.jpg

http://www.truehi9.com/DSCF0808.JPG
9".................................................. ......Weak HEAVY 60
Some kids are SOOOO polluted from BULLSHIT posted on the web.
I do this for a fucking living. It's not a sfter work hobby or interest I build motors and complete cars. I don't get any business from this board NOR to I need any. So I'm on here posting facts for help. Not trying to seel any make or brand. I have seen alot of shit built cars in the past 13 years and learned alot from my on-hand experiances.Not any BS I read on the web.

[shady milkman]

Here I'll post pics and if you can't see it your blind!!

http://www.sunrayengineering.com/images/IM000510.jpg

http://www.sunrayengineering.com/images/IM000513.jpg

http://www.sunrayengineering.com/images/IM000515.jpg

http://www.sunrayengineering.com/images/maincap1.jpg

http://www.sunrayengineering.com/images/maincap2.jpg

http://www.truehi9.com/DSCF0808.JPG
9".................................................. ......Weak HEAVY 60
Some kids are SOOOO polluted from BULLSHIT posted on the web.
I do this for a fucking living. It's not a sfter work hobby or interest I build motors and complete cars. I don't get any business from this board NOR to I need any. So I'm on here posting facts for help. Not trying to seel any make or brand. I have seen alot of shit built cars in the past 13 years and learned alot from my on-hand experiances.Not any BS I read on the web.
damn well :giveup:
relax..lord..polluted? that is an extreme over statement. well then i have only 1 more question for you actually, because i am curious. is the brand-new f-body dana s60 the same as the old a-g body s60...and are these comparisons to the old s60 or the new one. Also dont get so secure about how long you've worked on cars..that it makes you somehow always right..i have people at my work that think since they have been working on computers since the late 80s that us "kids" dont know shit. However i setup and cleaned up there mistakes on their dns server here.

[slims00ls1z28]

I have the Moser 9" under mine and so far the only problem I have is it sits alot higher in the rear even with weaker springs and the snub start hitting the inside lip of rims which it never did previously.

[shady milkman]

I have the Moser 9" under mine and so far the only problem I have is it sits alot higher in the rear even with weaker springs and the snub start hitting the inside lip of rims which it never did previously.

i was looking at the m9s and damn there housing look amazing

[shady milkman]

so with this new information..i might be going with the m9..but chances are that i will still go with the s60 down the road.

[tonyjnjz]

Here I'll post pics and if you can't see it your blind!!

http://www.sunrayengineering.com/images/IM000510.jpg

http://www.sunrayengineering.com/images/IM000513.jpg

http://www.sunrayengineering.com/images/IM000515.jpg

http://www.sunrayengineering.com/images/maincap1.jpg

http://www.sunrayengineering.com/images/maincap2.jpg

http://www.truehi9.com/DSCF0808.JPG
9".................................................. ......Weak HEAVY 60
Some kids are SOOOO polluted from BULLSHIT posted on the web.
I do this for a fucking living. It's not a sfter work hobby or interest I build motors and complete cars. I don't get any business from this board NOR to I need any. So I'm on here posting facts for help. Not trying to seel any make or brand. I have seen alot of shit built cars in the past 13 years and learned alot from my on-hand experiances.Not any BS I read on the web.

nice pics!! and wow thats definitly a bunch of bullshit dana is puttin out there about theres being so much stronger than the 9inch.....looks quite obvious from the pics the 9 is stronger

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

Sold me on the 9"! I bought one and will have it installed in the next few weeks.

[INMY01TA]

so with this new information..i might be going with the m9..but chances are that i will still go with the s60 down the road.
Are you M6 or A4?

[Johns00Z28]

Doesn't top fuel use a 9" rear? And they make 7-8,000hp....I'm pretty sure a 9" is the strongest thing you can buy.

[INMY01TA]

Doesn't top fuel use a 9" rear? And they make 7-8,000hp....definaetely not.

[Johns00Z28]

Yeah I'm thinking of a 12 inch rear, my bad.

[SVG210]

It's all good.:itsok:

No biggie just people tend to believe everything they read on the web. There is just NO point to have all that added unsprung weight to me. Unsprung is more critical.

We rip them out of chassis race cars. The only muscle cars that came with the Dana 60's are the BIG money MOPARS.

And then everyone hopes on the ding-dong of these BIG brand name rearends. Unless your over a 1000hp and have a chassis that is going to dead hook your wasting money. You aren't breaking a 31,33,or35 spline axle with under 1000hp. Plus if you go with the 9" we almost always go with the 33spline axles due to the fact the price is the same. The only reason we use 31 is because you might already have a 3member that has a 31 spline spool or locker.

NEVER RUN A SPOOL OR MINI-SPOOL ON THE STREET ALSO!

Im going with a 9'' too, Hey i looked at that link and they dont have a rear end that will fit my car. should i call them

[shady milkman]

Are you M6 or A4?

a4 so i know the dana and even the 9" is over kill but the m9 is about the same price for a 12 bolt so why not.

[C&Cbird]

Granted I only skimmed over some of this thread, but it looks like a lot of the 9 inch stuff that is being compared to the dana 60 is biased. Looks like the 9 inch stuff is aftermarket and is being compared to stock dana parts. Not saying it is, I've never seen stock 9 inch parts, so I don't know what they look like.

[LS2Tuner]

Im going with a 9'' too, Hey i looked at that link and they dont have a rear end that will fit my car. should i call them

They make a rearend for Anything and will beat Anyones prices. A few other members on the site are currently running their 9"s in F body's.



Granted I only skimmed over some of this thread, but it looks like a lot of the 9 inch stuff that is being compared to the dana 60 is biased. Looks like the 9 inch stuff is aftermarket and is being compared to stock dana parts. Not saying it is, I've never seen stock 9 inch parts, so I don't know what they look like.

No the pics are stock carrier caps. And the S60 that everyone is referring to is a aftermarket Dana60 for F Body's. Regardless that is just the housing. The ring and pinion design sticks with the rear no matter stock housing or not. Which speaks miles if you look closely at the pics. In my opinion more contact area ='s more strength.

[dragstang86]

FYI - I deal with Autofab Race Cars and i know they are one of the biggest Strange, Moser, QA1, Wilwood etc. dealers in the country and beat anybodys advertised price too....and ive never found the stuff cheaper anywhere. If interested give Josh a call at 410 796 8777

[INMY01TA]

a4 so i know the dana and even the 9" is over kill but the m9 is about the same price for a 12 bolt so why not.12 bolt is all you need for an A4 really. I know 4 guys with 8-9 second LSX f bods. 1.3-1.4 sixtys off the trans brake (th 400s), all with 12 bolts. Dont believe any of em ever broke em. Just something to consider.

[Wesman]

12 bolt is all you need for an A4 really. I know 4 guys with 8-9 second LSX f bods. 1.3-1.4 sixtys off the trans brake (th 400s), all with 12 bolts. Dont believe any of em ever broke em. Just something to consider.

Has anyone even heard of a properly set-up 12 bolt blowing up with an M6?? Seems very rare for a 12 bolt to break, period.

[INMY01TA]

Has anyone even heard of a properly set-up 12 bolt blowing up with an M6?? Seems very rare for a 12 bolt to break, period.Yes, many times. Usually with a posi in it tho. A 12 bolt with a spool in a six speed has proven pretty stout.

[dpinson]

auto fab quoted me right over $2100.00 for a moser 9", aluminum center and detroit locker with 35 spline axles,pro street gears and aluminum pinion support
sounds like a deal to me
and shipping is included

[Zboner]

auto fab quoted me right over $2100.00 for a moser 9", aluminum center and detroit locker with 35 spline axles,pro street gears and aluminum pinion support
sounds like a deal to me
and shipping is included


thats a great deal man

[Bottesini]

auto fab quoted me right over $2100.00 for a moser 9", aluminum center and detroit locker with 35 spline axles,pro street gears and aluminum pinion support
sounds like a deal to me
and shipping is included


Any chance you can pass me along their info please ?

[Johns00Z28]

Is the 9" with the aluminum center section ligher than a 12 bolt?

[LS2Tuner]

Is the 9" with the aluminum center section ligher than a 12 bolt?

Yes.

http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/12_bolt_chevy_vs_9_inch_ford/index.html

http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/0304_9_inch_12_bolt_rearend_comparison/index.html




http://www.highperformancepontiac.com/tech/hppp_0611_firebird_rearend_rebuild/cost_comparison.html

[Johns00Z28]

Hard to beat lighter and stronger.

[dpinson]

Any chance you can pass me along their info please ?

auto fab1-410-796-8777 ask for josh
dont thank me it was someone else who previously posted them on this thread
but im ordering one monday for sure

[dpinson]

yeah it is a hell of a deal from what ive found and i just spoke with josh this morning so it is not an old quote or anything

[dpinson]

Hard to beat lighter and stronger.

you got that right

[dpinson]

here is how it breaks down if you are wondering and dont want to wait till monday
housing and axles-$426
$1185 for center section plus $135 for aluminum
$350 for the detroit locker
gears and pinion support included and they said moser will send it U.P.S so it will be about $100 for shipping
plus he knocked a little off the price

[LS2Tuner]

Time to bring this back for the :newbie:'s.

[Hi-Po]

All you guys making me feel like my 12 bolt Moser is weak in my M6!!!

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

All you guys making me feel like my 12 bolt Moser is weak in my M6!!!


It is.






j/k

[Mookie Dee]

I have been reading thru this thread - and just can not take the misinformation. The 9" and the Dana 60 are very close in strength - comparing just the gear set - there are variances in the gear strength depending on the gear ratio- that being said the strength as far as the gear set is a wash. The Moser and Strange 12-bolts, S60's (based on dana) and 9" are ALL aftermarket and made by the manufacturer. The Moser 9" is lighter then a factory 9" , the Strange S60 is lighter then the factory- the S60 has adjuster nuts and nodular caps- it's on the Strange site. If you are building an all out race car, and do not need the abs - the 9" is an excellent choice - especially with an aluminum case for reduced weight. If you are comparing weight the 12-bolt Moser, DTS or Strange are all lighter then the 9" and S60 - but at the cost of reduced strength and increased gear noise. If you compare a 9" with 35-spline axles and an Iron case and a S60 - the weight difference is very close - within 15 lbs. The F-body is probably even closer in weight since the 9" has to have a heavy torque arm provision (not part of the casting like a Moser/DTS/Strange 12-bolt or S60) welded on. The S60 comes with 35-spline axles and several choices of differentials, where as you are stuck with a Detroit Locker (noisy- but strong) with a 9". I really do not see the point of a 12-bolt, which by the way only has aftermarket gears, which tend to be nosier then oem - the S60 accepts OEM dana/spicer gears.... I will try to find and link a Car Craft article that ran this year with a Moser/Strange and one other company's rears - it had the break down of 12-bolt/9" and S60 - though for an early f-body.

[ls1camino]

What's the difference between a Detroit TruTrack and Detroit Locker in a Moser 9"?

[Mr. Luos]

What's the difference between a Detroit TruTrack and Detroit Locker in a Moser 9"?
TruTrac is limited slip.

The locker....is a locker.

[ls1camino]

TruTrac is limited slip.

The locker....is a locker.

ok...what are the advantages and disadvantages of both?

[Mr. Luos]

Your stock rearend is a limited slip. Meaning around corners the rearend allows for the slight difference in travel of the tires.

Locker....not so much. You will get a clunk around corners.