5th Gen Camaro

[91Z28]

Did you all see the photos that leaked? What do you think?

EDIT: Here is a link to some of the pics http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=414450

[got-a-ls1]

link?

[91Z28]

Go to the camaroz28.com main page. They also have a 5th gen forum where there are multiple threads that will link you to the other pics. I think cheersandgears has them as well.

[91Z28]

Shit, it is IRS. That fucking blows.

[91Z28]

Damn all this shit about the leaked pics went down yesterday, we're behind the curve over here.

[got-a-ls1]

very nice, looks an awful lot like a corvette though?

[91Z28]

I was hoping for a non-retro look though, now we will forever be accused of being Mustang imitators.

[got-a-ls1]

as long as the tail lights arnt retro, them mustang boys will neva know :D

[91Z28]

Too bad I didn't post this sooner. I'll bet in the morning when I check this thread it will be much bigger.

[got-a-ls1]

yea, i am surprized no one posted it earlier

seems like the had a lot more pictures, to bad they took them all down..... gayness.

[CaptainCaveMan]

Goddamnit! I always miss this shit

[CaptainCaveMan]

Sweet, i got the pics now. :love:

[third_shift|studios]

it's kidna.....big n clunky? very cadillac too with all those straight lines...

http://www.thirdshiftstudios.net/images/thumbs/camaroConcept.jpg

[DrMilhouse]

I love the body lines, but that grill his hideous! good thing there's aftermarket stuff for that. (if we ever see production)

Hopefully it won't be delivered as a front wheel drive V6 with an SS version having a turbo on the v6.

[third_shift|studios]

that's a pretty big engine bay for a v6, hoss

[SexOnWheels]

I was hoping for a non-retro look though, now we will forever be accused of being Mustang imitators.


That was my first thought when I seen the pictures aswell.:(

[Blitzed]

Sweet baby jesus!

[got-a-ls1]

Sweet, i got the pics now. :love:
if you have all the other pics, share the wealth!! :)

[pecha]

IRS
true duals
cool, GTO competitor :)

[third_shift|studios]

i think that look would be pretty rad if they had 17's in front and 18s or 19s in back, give it that classic muscle look

[02 Blk T/A WS6]

heres a link for all the pics

http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3778&st=0

if you read thru there you will see a underbody shot and the inside

[bbfirebird]

i'm not very impressed personally. the hood is too long and it looks too much like a caddy. 98-02 looks 10x better IMO.

also, it's clearly just built up on a caddy chassis, so if they do put it into production, it's either gonna need a new chassis or it's gonna be quite a bit more expensive than the 4th gen was.

[Zboner]

well at least its going to have a true dual exhaust system

[NeeD4SpeeD]

Reminds me of a robocop car........It's ok but does look very big i cant imagine what the weight would be on it never the less what engine it's packing....

[third_shift|studios]

robocop! :lol:

ok, what's up with the bumper in teh front? did robbie the retard forget his gluestick again???

[Nastyfoot]

:approved: I like it

By the time that hits the market, Ford will have fucked up the mustang again anyhow.
Maybe they will have a new Charlie's Angel's stang out by then. :lol:

[KC&97TA]

robocop! :lol:

ok, what's up with the bumper in teh front? did robbie the retard forget his gluestick again???


it would look cool with a big crome bumper, or some retro split bumpers :shots:

[cam02ss]

i havn't made up my mind yet

[91Z28]

There are numerous threads on camaroz28.com about the 5th gen Camaro. A few guys that post there are actual GM employees and know a thing or two, so there is some factual info floating around.

[91Z28]

heres a link for all the pics

http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3778&st=0

if you read thru there you will see a underbody shot and the inside

I'm going to go edit my first post so people coming in this thread will get that link.

[BillyT]

Ugly as shit.

[99Hugger]

It's bad ass... I love the design. Hope they stick with it. :cool:

[toneloc60]

So how long do you think it's going to be before GM fires the team of faggots running around making every car they come up with look like it has razor edges?

Isn't the Aztec a horribly selling vehicle. Being it was one of the first styled that way you'd think they may have taken note of it and went another direction.

What happened to designing cars with style and grace? Too bad they didn't take Kris Horton's approach.
http://popularhotrodding.com/features/0309phr_5camaro/

[02 Blk T/A WS6]

So how long do you think it's going to be before GM fires the team of faggots running around making every car they come up with look like it has razor edges?

Isn't the Aztec a horribly selling vehicle. Being it was one of the first styled that way you'd think they may have taken note of it and went another direction.

What happened to designing cars with style and grace? Too bad they didn't take Kris Horton's approach.
http://popularhotrodding.com/features/0309phr_5camaro/


the orange one is nice...but every time i see that back end it screams fiero to me i do not know why but it just does so i dont like it too much

[third_shift|studios]

:werd: teh orange is THA SHIZZZZZZ!!!!

[Firehawk1120]

am i the only one that sees something wrong with the picture. It looks like 2 cars cut and spliced together. Look at the front bumper it doesn't match up right it's split in the middle.

i don't know lots of rumors going around... I'll believe it when i see it.

['99 SLP#24]

Often when they build a clay model (which is what these pictures are) they build half a design on one side and a different half on the other rather than two complete and seperate models. Saves time pretty much and it lets them get a feel for what looks better still.

[toneloc60]

Yeah, I was going to say that too. I think they have two ideas cooking to see which one they like best.

One side is the design submitted by Shick, the other was submitted by Gillete (the best a man can get).

[00SSVERT]

as long as the tail lights arnt retro, them mustang boys will neva know :D

:lol: ABSOLUTLY PERFECT what he said! I think the pictures are a great start on the look of the new Camaro. We all know it will change before production. So far so good

[Motrv8d Steve]

at least they're doing something.
I kinda like it. Looks pretty mean.
My next car is going to be a Vette. and soon I hope, my 98 Z28 is nice but I'd like to get a new car, I've had it for Christ what? almost 8 years now!

[Mr. CarelessAndImprudent]

Very cool, but I hate those side mirrors. I'm betting that those and the IRS won't make it to production. Maybe the grille too?

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

:werd:I second that...those side mirrors are hideous...and probably as functional as the SS hood :wall:

[Zboner]

ghey

[third_shift|studios]

boner if you made the 5th gen, what would you do? 3 wheels and a type r sticker?!

[who cares]

I dont see them building it. GM is in too much financial trouble to build a car for a small market. I think their efforts will probably be spent in the familt passenger side before anything is dumped into another camaro. I read in another post something that GM has not even inquired with suppliers yet about parts, dont know if that is true but still I wont hold me breath on this car.

[Motrv8d Steve]

I dont see them building it. GM is in too much financial trouble to build a car for a small market. I think their efforts will probably be spent in the familt passenger side before anything is dumped into another camaro. I read in another post something that GM has not even inquired with suppliers yet about parts, dont know if that is true but still I wont hold me breath on this car.
good point. I remember reading that GM quit making the Fbodies b/c the stockholders wanted them to sell vehicles that sell and the Camaro/Firebird platform wasn't anymore.

[toneloc60]

good point. I remember reading that GM quit making the Fbodies b/c the stockholders wanted them to sell vehicles that sell and the Camaro/Firebird platform wasn't anymore.
Well, I don't see too many Azteks running down the road either. Since GM doesn't do very well with the decisions it makes, maybe they should simply study what Dodge and Ford have been up to.

The Charger and the Mustang aren't having any problems selling. Neither is the 300. RWD with a V8. At least turn the Impala back into a RWD car! WTF is the use of 330 HP in a Wrong Wheel Drive car? Give me a break.

Get back to the basics.

[91Z28]

They are going to have to build it. Chrysler has taken a big chunk of the pie when it comes to passenger cars. How did they do it? By having performance versions of pretty much all of their models. Peformance is selling right now, they better get this out there while the market is still hungry for it.

[Rob 94Hawk 319]

Well, I don't see too many Azteks running down the road either. Since GM doesn't do very well with the decisions it makes, maybe they should simply study what Dodge and Ford have been up to.

The Charger and the Mustang aren't having any problems selling. Neither is the 300. RWD with a V8. At least turn the Impala back into a RWD car! WTF is the use of 330 HP in a Wrong Wheel Drive car? Give me a break.

Get back to the basics.

That's pretty funny. Everyone always says something about how F*rd is atleast building a pony car, and selling a crapload of them. Well, they're in as much financial trouble (even more so, since they ARE smaller) as GM is.

[predator]

is ford smaller than GM? i mean they own like 50% of all vehicle companies in the world...

[Wulfe13]

I love it... I don't think it looks too retro... which is what I was afraid of. It looks muscular yet modern.

[Wulfe13]

is ford smaller than GM? i mean they own like 50% of all vehicle companies in the world...

GM is the largest manufacturer of automobiles in the world.

[SS#1531]

I like it. I was afraid of a retro design, but this isn't too retro. I hope the IRS stays too. Not crazy about the instrument cluster though. However, if the rest of the car comes out looking close to this, and they get the powertrain right, I'll buy one.

[predator]

WOW found a list had forgot all about what all GM owns... i knew ford owned... astin martin, jaguar, landrover, Lincoln, mazda, volvo and maybe others, but GM does have gmc, chrvrolet, pontiac, hummer, cadillac, holden, opel, buick, sabb, and saturn...

oh and about the camaro... i think it MIGHT happen... if i remeber correctly they are doing a GTO facelift... i think it will all depend on that... if it does well they will release the camaro, but from the concepts i have seen the GTO will bomb... so im gonna say no go on camaro..

oh and hate to say it, but if it aint t top i wont drive one...

that was the whole f body thing... they had t's for 35 years...

well i might drive one... ill make my decision on power...

[Wulfe13]

Ford also owns Mercury....:Poke:

[91Z28]

WOW found a list had forgot all about what all GM owns... i knew ford owned... astin martin, jaguar, landrover, Lincoln, mazda, volvo and maybe others, but GM does have gmc, chrvrolet, pontiac, hummer, cadillac, holden, opel, buick, sabb, and saturn...

oh and about the camaro... i think it MIGHT happen... if i remeber correctly they are doing a GTO facelift... i think it will all depend on that... if it does well they will release the camaro, but from the concepts i have seen the GTO will bomb... so im gonna say no go on camaro..

oh and hate to say it, but if it aint t top i wont drive one...

that was the whole f body thing... they had t's for 35 years...

well i might drive one... ill make my decision on power...

T Tops didn't appear in F bodies until the late 70s, around 1978 I think, I'd have to double check my Camaro book. T tops actually appeared on the third generation Corvette first.

[91Z28]

Hey, they made a new forum because of my thread, kick ass!

[graphicsgod]

OHH My GOD!! What have GM done!! It's the end for the Camaro!! Now the Mustang people are going to complain that GM ripped off the design off the new Mustang! Thats the last thing I wanted to see!! I'm going to cry if the final looks like this!

The only thing I like are the side mirrors and the true duel exaust.

Rob

[toneloc60]

GM is the largest manufacturer of automobiles in the world.
Funny, I thought Mercedez Benz was the largest manufacturer in the world.:dunno:

[Wulfe13]

OHH My GOD!! What have GM done!! It's the end for the Camaro!! Now the Mustang people are going to complain that GM ripped off the design off the new Mustang! Thats the last thing I wanted to see!! I'm going to cry if the final looks like this!

The only thing I like are the side mirrors and the true duel exaust.

Rob

Uhhh... they're trying to bring the Camaro back from the dead... Who cares what the Mustang people complain about? They've been complaining for years! That car doesn't look anything like a rustang!

[91Z28]

GM is making the sites pull down the pics. camaroz28.com complied, but they have a good relationship with GM. I'm sure the pics will still be available on other sites.

[SS#1531]

Doesn't GM also own Lotus also? I don't think that Camaro concept looks anything like a Mustang. It's retro like a Mustang, but doesn't look like one.

[graphicsgod]

It's waay to close for my liking. I was hoping for something closer to the fourth gens. Guess I'll be keeping mine a lot longer :(.

Rob

[Hotrod]

It looks OK, but i like the orange model that the college kid put together better. The post says "2009" though. All this time they were saying 2007, but now it's not coming until 2009? Hell GM will be bankrupt by 2009 with all the POS's they are producing. Like someone else already said, GM claimed the Camaro/Firebird wasn't selling...it's funny that I saw A LOT more F-Bodies driving around than Mustangs and Ford didn't discontinue their car! Chevy threw all their stock into that SUV craze and it's biting them in the a$$ right now cause that's over. And their is a lot of cars not selling, yet they continue to build it...starting with that piece of crap Cobalt. But it doesn't matter if they do release the Camaro, GM will do something to screw it up. More than likely if it comes out, us normal guys won't be able to afford it cause they'll charge $40,000 for it!

[02 Blk T/A WS6]

like i seid somewhere else that orange one is ok.

but the back end screams fiero and i hate that about it.it looks like a pimped up fiero

[ReBop]

The first thing they need to do is make it instantly recognizable as a Camaro, with some of each generation in the lines. The chassis should be a vast improvement over the now extinct Fbodies. Engine should be Corvette with SS having the Z06 motor.

[ReBop]

The basic Camaro should have a 5.0 V8 with auto tranny, 17" wheels. Hardtop, T-top and convertible options. For girls and gay boys.

The Z-28 should share the C6 engine with 18" wheels. T-top or Hardtop, no verts. Mid price to target former Fbod tuner/mod/street racer types.

SS to get the Z06 engine, slightly detuned of course!, 20" wheels. Hardtop only with roll bar cage, true duals, strut tower, subframes and independent suspension as standard equipment. For the elite who want it all. No further mods necessary.

[graphicsgod]

Well I was hoping for this one as well, just didn't like the front of the orange one. Oh well guess it's a moot point now :cry:.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/graphicsgod/my20075thgencamaro1-4.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/graphicsgod/my20075thgencamaro2.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/graphicsgod/my20075thgencamaro3.jpg

Sorry for the repost, but I like these photo chops I did waay back when :D.

Rob

[Darkshadow188]

I hope they make this car with a Roots-type blower so we can s*it all over Cobras with mods : )

[91Z28]

The basic Camaro should have a 5.0 V8 with auto tranny, 17" wheels. Hardtop, T-top and convertible options. For girls and gay boys.

The Z-28 should share the C6 engine with 18" wheels. T-top or Hardtop, no verts. Mid price to target former Fbod tuner/mod/street racer types.

SS to get the Z06 engine, slightly detuned of course!, 20" wheels. Hardtop only with roll bar cage, true duals, strut tower, subframes and independent suspension as standard equipment. For the elite who want it all. No further mods necessary.

20" wheels? I don't think they are going to make a "blingmobile".

[TransAmMan]

Ok so all of this shit is for real? This is actually a real concept car? Why the fuck did it just pop out of no where. I can't believe there wasn't any discussion of this before? I thought the camaro was going to be dead for a long time because GM canceled the RWD program ( I forgot what it was called ).

I agree with a lot of your guys statements though. IF the camaro comes back. This is just a concept. There will be a huge amount of changes. But they're doing the same thing ford did. Retro styling. Which I think is dumb . to me the new mustang looks like a riced out verison of the 500GT. Esteticly thats what the new mustang is.

That concept looks like a riced out verison of a first gen camaro. I kind of like it. It's kind of growing on me to tell you the truth. but still. I highly doubt seeing any of this happening. I'll believe it when I see it.

*coughbringbackthefiredbirdtoocough*

[got-a-ls1]

its not full retro though. It just uses some strong cues from the past and modernized them. The new mustang is just a blatent copy of the old one.

[NeeD4SpeeD]

I like the orange one alot better excpet for the color.....Also screw the shitstang owners... They have a right to complain i mean it's not everyday that your production cars in the YEAR 2005/06 hit a solid 300hp lol...Sorry shitstangs your cars will never be a fast as GMs or for that matter f-bodies... Maybe in 2020 they'll break the 325hp mark and can start bitchin that their cars have rockets on the back :Ohno:

[97lt1ss]

im a camaro fan at heart..but that car f-n sucks!! the spy pics of the new challenger. that has to be the most perfect concept car i have ever seen.unlike all the other dodge vehicles.it doesnt look like it has a truck front end on it

[crayz28]

Fugly

[blue02Z]

The basic Camaro should have a 5.0 V8 with auto tranny, 17" wheels. Hardtop, T-top and convertible options. For girls and gay boys.

The Z-28 should share the C6 engine with 18" wheels. T-top or Hardtop, no verts. Mid price to target former Fbod tuner/mod/street racer types.

SS to get the Z06 engine, slightly detuned of course!, 20" wheels. Hardtop only with roll bar cage, true duals, strut tower, subframes and independent suspension as standard equipment. For the elite who want it all. No further mods necessary.
Why does the SS HAVE to have the most power and best suspension? I by no means have anything against the SS but, the first gen SS had a bigger engine than the Z/28 but the Z made more power and had better options. There was even alot of years that the SS was never even built and all of the sudden in '93 it is back with a power bulge hood that the Z/28 has had forever and has the better performance. I think that the Z should have the most power.
just my .02

[Zboner]

20" wheels? I don't think they are going to make a "blingmobile".

20's haha:lol: :lol:

[97lt1ss]

93???? shut up the ss's didnt come back until 96!

[97lt1ss]

oh yeah and its not a c6 engine or an z06 engine...they ls2's and ls7's... and a 5.0 v8???? lets just make it a v6 since thats probably what its goin to be

[BrandonDrecksage]

I like the orange one alot better excpet for the color.....Also screw the shitstang owners... They have a right to complain i mean it's not everyday that your production cars in the YEAR 2005/06 hit a solid 300hp lol...Sorry shitstangs your cars will never be a fast as GMs or for that matter f-bodies... Maybe in 2020 they'll break the 325hp mark and can start bitchin that their cars have rockets on the back :Ohno:


guess you haven't heard of the 03/04 cobras? and I guess they aren't faster than 4th gen fbodies or the current gtos?

Gm fucked up with the 4th gen camaros...I NEVER remember seeing one ad for them on tv or anything(and I was 14-18 during that time of the ls1 run with the fbody). Its funny i was talking to my friend because him(he drive a turbo dsm) and i are both shocked that the car hasn't been made for 3 years now and people still don't know the potential in these cars. that is because the lack of advertisement. The fastest car you can get for around 20k right now is the srt4...a base z28 cost the same price new and was slightly quicker. So, if they do bring back the camaro...it'll sell like shit again because they won't advertise it and the only people buying them are people who know what they can do already.

[Hotrod]

I never thought of that, but it's soooo true. I don't know about nationally but i live in Texas and I NEVER saw ads for the Camaro or Firebird. And your right the only people who bought them were people who were already familiar with them or long time fans of the car. They did nothing to bring attention to the car from other car buying groups and they probably won't this time around either.

[blue02Z]

93???? shut up the ss's didnt come back until 96!
sorry, I just assumed that they came back in '93 and still, thats just 3 years longer that they weren't even around.

[Devylyst]

I never thought of that, but it's soooo true. I don't know about nationally but i live in Texas and I NEVER saw ads for the Camaro or Firebird. And your right the only people who bought them were people who were already familiar with them or long time fans of the car. They did nothing to bring attention to the car from other car buying groups and they probably won't this time around either.

Yea really, first time I EVER set eyes on an 4th gen firebird (seen a couple of 3rd gens but wasnt into muscle cars at the time) was a red TA blackbird. I was like god damn what is that?! But none of my friends (who were hooked on the fast and furious bandwagon) didnt know either. This was in 2001 i think

[toneloc60]

That's funny, I seem to remember ads on TV for the new 305 HP Z28 (circa late '97-98). I also remember ads for the Trans Am where it was basically snorting other cars through its ram air like Robert Downey Jr. to a line of cocain. Remember the "The Muscle Car is Back" ads??? Pontiac's Driving Excitement phase.

Trust me, the ads were out there.

[Lingenfelter TT]

I think the car looks good. A little retro styling. But it looks very heavy.

[Silverbullet02ss]

I just want to say it's sad to hear all the people bitching and making negative comments on this subject. Scott and all the guys at GM have been working their asses off to get something out there for us and on the first hit of whats to come people are already complaining. Guys we have to remember that these were stolen pictures of an unfinished concept car and before we start passing judgement we should just wait for detroit. Sorry for ranting because a lot of people love what they saw, but just like anything else it only take a few assclowns to mess it up for everybody. I'm sure people are now going to attack me for this post, but I'm just stating the truth

[blue02Z]

I just want to say it's sad to hear all the people bitching and making negative comments on this subject. Scott and all the guys at GM have been working their asses off to get something out there for us and on the first hit of whats to come people are already complaining. Guys we have to remember that these were stolen pictures of an unfinished concept car and before we start passing judgement we should just wait for detroit. Sorry for ranting because a lot of people love what they saw, but just like anything else it only take a few assclowns to mess it up for everybody. I'm sure people are now going to attack me for this post, but I'm just stating the truth
:werd:

[Zboner]

are we allowed to dislike the design??? or are we forced to like it??

[Devylyst]

I say forced with a wooden stick! lol. Im glad to see some concept pics ( even if its not finalized models) but the camaro name isnt gonna get me in mood to save up for a 5th gen, if it doesnt have the camaro look.

[Wulfe13]

The only commercials I ever saw on TV for the camaro were the ones where some chick is driving a V6 on some windy roads. I think that might have been the 93-97 era, but I'm not sure.

I do remember the T/A commercials, but those only started in 98... GM has done a VERY poor job of advertising the F-body! I agree that, that was a big factor in lack luster sales...

[2000pontiac6]

http://popularhotrodding.com/features/0309phr-5camaro07_z.jpg

Now that is awesome... It sucks theres no hope for the firebird because i think that is actually really nicely done:love:

[91Z28]

Fuck that, that is 10x as retro as the leaked photos.

[Devylyst]

I agree, change the front grill abit and its good to go.

[BrandonDrecksage]

That's funny, I seem to remember ads on TV for the new 305 HP Z28 (circa late '97-98). I also remember ads for the Trans Am where it was basically snorting other cars through its ram air like Robert Downey Jr. to a line of cocain. Remember the "The Muscle Car is Back" ads??? Pontiac's Driving Excitement phase.

Trust me, the ads were out there.

well..they weren't put towards the right crowd then cause i went to a rich high school and kids were driving brand new m3s and shit, but no one had a ls1.its funny..now when i see them now a days and they see my car..they thinks its slow.... so its obvious that they did a poor job of advertising. I see a mustang ad in a mag or on tv like ever other day.

[Hotrod]

I just want to say it's sad to hear all the people bitching and making negative comments on this subject. Scott and all the guys at GM have been working their asses off to get something out there for us and on the first hit of whats to come people are already complaining. Guys we have to remember that these were stolen pictures of an unfinished concept car and before we start passing judgement we should just wait for detroit. Sorry for ranting because a lot of people love what they saw, but just like anything else it only take a few assclowns to mess it up for everybody. I'm sure people are now going to attack me for this post, but I'm just stating the truth


I don't think people are neceesary bashing GM for trying (at least I'm not). I think most people are bashing GM for discontinuing the car in the first place, and then give us consumers nothing but BS reasons as to why it was discontinued. They did do a very poor job of advertising, and gave the impression of "We don't really care about that market" which caused a lot peolpe to loose faith in GM doing the right things to it's consumers. I personally like just about all the concept pictures that are floating around, but the level of trust for GM to actually produce something that is good looking, powerful, and affordable has gone down the drain for most people. Based on their current reputation the new Camaro will either be underpowered due to emmision restrictions and gas mileage restrictions, OR it'll be overpriced. That seems to be GM's moto based on their current fleet of cars: Underpowered or Overpriced...take your pick.

[redls1bird]

advertising isnt everything. you can tell by peoples reaction to this photo. you either love it, or not. gm discontinued the f bodies because they were selling like 30k units a year at best while mustangs where double that. dont get me wrong, i cant stand most crapstangs, but they did sell alot more, for whatever reason.

[Camaro Fan]

I can't believe the negative reactions here, I think the clay concept looks extremely badass, I can't wait to see a more finalized version come early January when the real concept get's shown at the NAIAS in Detriot.

A new Camaro based off that design coming in around 3500lb with a LS2-level engine will be badass, especially if they can reach Mustang GT price levels...

[Hotrod]

gm discontinued the f bodies because they were selling like 30k units a year at best while mustangs where double that. dont get me wrong, i cant stand most crapstangs, but they did sell alot more, for whatever reason.

I'd say the Mustand sold more because they had a very high female market. The Mustang is a sports car without enough HP to get away from a female driver. Not trying to sound shovenistic before anybody starts bashing me, but it's true. Compare the number of girls you saw driving LS1's and compare that to the woman driving Mustangs. The LS1's are intimidating to a lot of woman cause they are too powerful. My fiance was scared to drive mine but wanted to buy a Mustang cause it wasn't as powerful!

[Hotrod]

A new Camaro based off that design coming in around 3500lb with a LS2-level engine will be badass, especially if they can reach Mustang GT price levels...


It would be nice but it won't happen. Everyone thought the same about the GTO. Thought this was gonna replace the Firebird and remain a cheap hotrod...instead it's released looking like crap and costing close to $35,000.00. I see GM charging close to $40,000 for a fully-loaded Camaro with a LS2 style engine. I'm curoius to see what engine they put in it cause they ain't gonna let it get close to their pride-and-joy Corvette.

[jimmi7769]

I'd say the Mustand sold more because they had a very high female market. The Mustang is a sports car without enough HP to get away from a female driver. Not trying to sound shovenistic before anybody starts bashing me, but it's true. Compare the number of girls you saw driving LS1's and compare that to the woman driving Mustangs. The LS1's are intimidating to a lot of woman cause they are too powerful. My fiance was scared to drive mine but wanted to buy a Mustang cause it wasn't as powerful!

I would have to disagree with you on this one. I don't think it's about power at all but more about the design and ergonomics of the two cars. V6 cars have always sold more than V8's on both platforms. I think Women prefer the Mustangs basically because they are a more friendly happy design. The Camaro/Firebird is a more cramped unforgiving style. Kind of the 'slap you in the face and get out of my way' philosophy vs the 'I'm Cute' one.
I think the V6 vs V8 thing goes right to cost vs desire. Most buyers look at the two price tags and those that don't care how fast it'll go pick the cheaper one.