99' SS against 03' Mach 1

[claytonr]

his mustang(shift kit) my camaro(borla cat back, intake,short shift)

first couple races the day a got my car he won because obviously i was still tryin to master the whole taking off with out burning out but then not creeping off the line...a few weeks later i lined him up in the 1/4 and stomped him three times in a row..like by atleast 5 or 6 lengths..of coarse he said that he missed gears and all that stuff but i was happy because i paid 8500 for mine and he paid 25000...

also i am looking for some cheaper bolt-ons because i am tight on money right now.. through experience gives the most power for the buck..

[1fasbrd]

When Do U Plan To Put A Cam In It

[claytonr]

whenever i get the cash.. i am working on a major project with the whole custom system and i am having some hell like with paint and stuff because i am doing all the work myself...but which cam would be the best economically and power wise. my dad has a magic stick or whatever it is called( the real big one) in his 98 z28 and that car will hardly even idle it is horrible..

[adam3566]

5 or 6 lengths? Wow he must be one of the worst possible drivers then. Because a a mach 1 vs a 99 ss should be a very close match. Mach 1's will get the advantage if he can drive.

[TrickStang37]

his mustang(shift kit) my camaro(borla cat back, intake,short shift)

first couple races the day a got my car he won because obviously i was still tryin to master the whole taking off with out burning out but then not creeping off the line...a few weeks later i lined him up in the 1/4 and stomped him three times in a row..like by atleast 5 or 6 lengths..of coarse he said that he missed gears and all that stuff but i was happy because i paid 8500 for mine and he paid 25000...

also i am looking for some cheaper bolt-ons because i am tight on money right now.. through experience gives the most power for the buck..

he got raped on the price of the MaCh1.

[nevrlift]

i'm supposed to race a bolton mach sat nite....hes got cold air intake and longtubes orx and claims 380hp.....

[BLKCLOUD]

his mustang(shift kit) my camaro(borla cat back, intake,short shift)

..of coarse he said that he missed gears and all that stuff....

How did he miss a gear with an automatic?

[dpinson]

i'm supposed to race a bolton mach sat nite....hes got cold air intake and longtubes orx and claims 380hp.....

hah not with that shit he dont

[dpinson]

5 or 6 lengths? Wow he must be one of the worst possible drivers then. Because a a mach 1 vs a 99 ss should be a very close match. Mach 1's will get the advantage if he can drive.

no offense man but that is crazy talk right there
them things didnt hang no where near my 01 z28 stock
look how close of a race it is with the cobra that is virtually the same car and supercharged

[nevrlift]

hah not with that shit he dont



lmao...he told me we can pop hoods too....and he doesnt race people with nitrous because thats cheatin'........:Owned:

[dpinson]

lmao...he told me we can pop hoods too....and he doesnt race people with nitrous because thats cheatin'........:Owned:

man i wouldnt be worried a bit if i was you but you never know little things can make a big difference like traction for 1

[Cayenne97]

He mentioned shift kit concluding it was an automatic. Maybe he manually shifts and claimed to hit the limiter...who knows, but anyways a Mach A4 is noooo match for an LS1 M6 with a good driver behind it ;)

[TrickStang37]

no offense man but that is crazy talk right there
them things didnt hang no where near my 01 z28 stock
look how close of a race it is with the cobra that is virtually the same car and supercharged

the manual mach 1 is much closer to a stock LS1 fbody than the fbody to the supercharged cobra.

[adam3566]

exactly

[blue02Z]

stock ls1 m6 + stock mach m5 = drivers race

[tonyjnjz]

i'm supposed to race a bolton mach sat nite....hes got cold air intake and longtubes orx and claims 380hp.....

i raped the hell out of one with this set up....my buddys gfs car..hehe

[dpinson]

stock ls1 m6 + stock mach m5 = drivers race

have you ever ran a mach 1 it is not a drivers race

with that kind of thinking i could say my old neon sxt not srt is a drivers race with my 07 mustang gt, who knows maybe ill spin through all 5gears in the stang

[dpinson]

maybe a really shitty drivers race

[nevrlift]

stock ls1 m6 + stock mach m5 = drivers race

i ran a white one out at a local spot way back when i had only lid and cutout....he had almost the same setup as this blue one and i left on him hard....

[nevrlift]

man i wouldnt be worried a bit if i was you but you never know little things can make a big difference like traction for 1



werd...and my mt's are gettin pretty bald.....:Ohno:

[hutch1999]

he got raped on the price of the MaCh1.

+1 thats what I was thinking

[ExStanger]

Any near stock Mustang with an auto is easy prey. The auto is a full second slower than a 5 speed in the quarter. I don't even count them.

[Cayenne97]

No disrespect, but some of you LS1 guys kill me when you say LS1 M6 vs. Mach 1 M5 is a drivers race. It's only a drivers race if the LS1 guy can't drive! It's a close one, but not quite a drivers race. My brothers '02 35th wen't 13.20's in the 107 range repeatedly when it was bare stock, and trust me when I say that several Mach's tried, but failed. Stock LS1 M6's make a considerable amount of more power than a Mach, and if you know how to use it, a Mach is no problem - period, point, blank!

I usually don't do the video racing thing, but I thought hey it's friday, so what the heck. Here's a quick example of the two cars, except, this LS1 is an AUTO! Both cars basically stock with very minor mods. Enjoy (before they pull it :))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwCuWPMTdNk

[TrickStang37]

the difference is roughly 30rwhp but with 50-100lbs less. I think close enough to be a drivers race, but the gearing does hurt it too, moreso than the fbody.

[dpinson]

the difference is roughly 30rwhp but with 50-100lbs less. I think close enough to be a drivers race, but the gearing does hurt it too, moreso than the fbody.

i wouldnt base races off of stats,too many variaBLES

[blue02Z]

have you ever ran a mach 1 it is not a drivers race

with that kind of thinking i could say my old neon sxt not srt is a drivers race with my 07 mustang gt, who knows maybe ill spin through all 5gears in the stang

yes i have, it was an 04 bone stock and i beat him, i was not stock tho. it is a drivers race, and i agree the edge goes to the ls1, they are rated a lil less hp than the ls1 and have slightly lower gearing (3.55) i think, could be wrong. i agree with you tho that the ls1 most likely will win, but it is close enough to call it a drivers race

[nevrlift]

well my race fell through....(big suprise).....did get into with a modded evo though, went 1 and 1 with him.....bald tires suck agaisnt awd

[camarojunky74]

best money spent, would be a thermostat, a diablo sport tuner, grannatelli wires a lid and catback, and dr's, id say you got a 12 sec car right there,

[dpinson]

yes i have, it was an 04 bone stock and i beat him, i was not stock tho. it is a drivers race, and i agree the edge goes to the ls1, they are rated a lil less hp than the ls1 and have slightly lower gearing (3.55) i think, could be wrong. i agree with you tho that the ls1 most likely will win, but it is close enough to call it a drivers race

it may be a drivers race for you man but my car kills mach 1's easy
i would say something is wrong with your car,he was heavily modded,or maybe your car just didnt perform to its abilities-bad tires/driver/launch something



no offense man but those things are pretty weak stock ,m5 or auto

[Cayenne97]

Seen too many LS1 M6's take Mach 1's to believe any of that. If the LS1 driver is not skilled enuff to take 'em off the line then run 'em on a roll - that's a certain victory.

[Speed_kills_WS6]

There's a few Mach 1's that usually show up at the local dragstrip. They're only runnin between 8.9-9.3 in the eighth. Why's everyone acting like there untouchable??

[blue02Z]

it may be a drivers race for you man but my car kills mach 1's easy
i would say something is wrong with your car,he was heavily modded,or maybe your car just didnt perform to its abilities-bad tires/driver/launch something



no offense man but those things are pretty weak stock ,m5 or auto

did you not read my post??? :think: i was not stock and he was, of course i won



my car runs perfect, only losses i have on the street was a cl65 amg and a procharged 2001 cobra.

i can drive the shit outta it too, def. not the best but i can hold my own.


all i'm saying is that its a damn good race for a stock ls1 to a stock m5 mach.

i am not gonna argue with you, you're also the one that said a stock terminator is a good race for a stock ls1. :jerkit:

[dpinson]

did you not read my post??? :think: i was not stock and he was, of course i won



my car runs perfect, only losses i have on the street was a cl65 amg and a procharged 2001 cobra.

i can drive the shit outta it too, def. not the best but i can hold my own.


all i'm saying is that its a damn good race for a stock ls1 to a stock m5 mach.

i am not gonna argue with you, you're also the one that said a stock terminator is a good race for a stock ls1. :jerkit:
with me driving it is and i know there are a few more guys on here that say the same,sorry you cant drive your car man but there is no need to get all upset

[camarojunky74]

did you not read my post??? :think: i was not stock and he was, of course i won



my car runs perfect, only losses i have on the street was a cl65 amg and a procharged 2001 cobra.

i can drive the shit outta it too, def. not the best but i can hold my own.


all i'm saying is that its a damn good race for a stock ls1 to a stock m5 mach.

i am not gonna argue with you, you're also the one that said a stock terminator is a good race for a stock ls1. :jerkit:



i always say a stock termi is a good race, mother fuckers cant hook, i pound them quite often, now roll racing is a different story

[adam3566]

i always say a stock termi is a good race, mother fuckers cant hook, i pound them quite often, now roll racing is a different story

Are you stock or not? because if are you are going with :bs: on that one. Stock for stock there are very equal cars.

[camarojunky74]

yes sir, fastest stock 1/8 mile ive done is an 8.37 and fastes 1/4 is 12.89 at 109 mph,
my car is a slp stage 3, suspension and the 345 package with cme, my car has slp lca's slp panhard, blackwing intake, 295 toyo tires, K&n filter and a umi torque arm but i just put that on friday, so i havent been to the track with it yet, im hoping for a better 60'.

and call bs all you want, thats what i love to hear,

[camarojunky74]

my 99, went 13.1 with a slp lid catback and 4.10's, never broke into the 12's. my guess is because it had 155k miles original motor and trans, and that time was on street tires,

[dpinson]

none of these guys think a stock cobra can be beaten with a stock ls1 but ive done it and know it can be done
but thats ok they can get beat by mach 1's and will keep beating the supercharged cars for them

[TrickStang37]

none of these guys think a stock cobra can be beaten with a stock ls1 but ive done it and know it can be done
but thats ok they can get beat by mach 1's and will keep beating the supercharged cars for them

bad driving can be beaten in anything.

[dpinson]

bad driving can be beaten in anything.

its not always bad driving the cobra is not that much faster stock for stock,you can think what you want but it isnt and it can be beaten to about a 100mph anyway where the cobra starts pulling harder
just face it these cars were supercharged and barely beat a stock ls1
either way it is not the subject
in no way is a mach 1 and an ls1 a drivers race

[TrickStang37]

its not always bad driving the cobra is not that much faster stock for stock,you can think what you want but it isnt and it can be beaten to about a 100mph anyway where the cobra starts pulling harder
just face it these cars were supercharged and barely beat a stock ls1
either way it is not the subject
in no way is a mach 1 and an ls1 a drivers race
maybe your right, but it is a much closer race than an LS1 vs 4.6 DOHC S/C. if the MaCh1 isnt close enough, the LS1 to the 4.6 DOHC S/C isnt even comparable. :hmm:

[dpinson]

maybe your right, but it is a much closer race than an LS1 vs 4.6 DOHC S/C. if the MaCh1 isnt close enough, the LS1 to the 4.6 DOHC S/C isnt even comparable. :hmm:

man you are goofier than you sound
if a ls1 smokes a mach 1 and a ls1 with a good driver can beat a termi then how does your statement make a damn bit of sense

hype up your stang to somebody who doesnt know shit but your telling the wrong guy bs stories here bud

[TrickStang37]

man you are goofier than you sound
if a ls1 smokes a mach 1 and a ls1 with a good driver can beat a termi then how does your statement make a damn bit of sense

hype up your stang to somebody who doesnt know shit but your telling the wrong guy bs stories here bud

look kid, i could beat an 06+ Z06 if it had a horrendous enough driver in it, but im not gonna sit there delusional about it, as yourself, and pretend my car is really faster than it.

[adam3566]

look kid, i could beat an 06+ Z06 if it had a horrendous enough driver in it, but im not gonna sit there delusional about it, as yourself, and pretend my car is really faster than it.

Got to agree with with you on this one. I have seen Ls1's go 15,14,13 and a few in the 12's stock so basically it comes down to if you can drive for shit. But if you have a good driver in both a ls1 and a mach 1 it SHOULD be a close race.

[camarojunky74]

like you guys are saying, the street is so unpredictable, so anything is possible, ive seen gt's with bolt ons take ls1's on the street, some cars/ people pretend they know how to drive or what have you. there are an equal number of dumb asses in mustangs vs camaro's. but i think honda takes the cake lol

[Speed_kills_WS6]

My fastest time in the 1/8th is 8.437 on street tires. I have a lid, filter, and an SLP maf. With the engine cooler, I think I can run an 8.3. With dr's, I bet I can break into the 7's. There's a couple termi cobras runnin around at the drag strip. Pass after pass, can't do better than 8.6. True, on a roll, the termi is gonna be hell. But from the line, I'm gonna smash his ass. To hell with racin down the interstate. Live my life 1/4 mile at a time. I haven't even begun my performance regimen yet. Mach 1-sounds fast, but all bark, no bite.

[camarojunky74]

My fastest time in the 1/8th is 8.437 on street tires. I have a lid, filter, and an SLP maf. With the engine cooler, I think I can run an 8.3. With dr's, I bet I can break into the 7's. There's a couple termi cobras runnin around at the drag strip. Pass after pass, can't do better than 8.6. True, on a roll, the termi is gonna be hell. But from the line, I'm gonna smash his ass. To hell with racin down the interstate. Live my life 1/4 mile at a time. I haven't even begun my performance regimen yet. Mach 1-sounds fast, but all bark, no bite.

kick the maf to the trash can grab a thermostat i bet you can do better.

[adam3566]

Live my life 1/4 mile at a time. Watching a little too much of F&F lol

[Speed_kills_WS6]

What? Do away with the SLP maf for the stock one???

[camarojunky74]

What? Do away with the SLP maf for the stock one???

if your car is anything like my 2 then yes.

[Speed_kills_WS6]

It helped considerably with my 98 TA. Felt sure it'd do the same for my 02. What's the best thermostat to get? Hypertech? SLP? Mr. Gasket? lol Fast and Furious was an entertaining movie, however, I hate imports.

[TrickStang37]

My fastest time in the 1/8th is 8.437 on street tires. I have a lid, filter, and an SLP maf. With the engine cooler, I think I can run an 8.3. With dr's, I bet I can break into the 7's. There's a couple termi cobras runnin around at the drag strip. Pass after pass, can't do better than 8.6. True, on a roll, the termi is gonna be hell. But from the line, I'm gonna smash his ass. To hell with racin down the interstate. Live my life 1/4 mile at a time. I haven't even begun my performance regimen yet. Mach 1-sounds fast, but all bark, no bite.

you live a 1/4mi at a time, but race at an 1/8mi track??! :lol:

[camarojunky74]

It helped considerably with my 98 TA. Felt sure it'd do the same for my 02. What's the best thermostat to get? Hypertech? SLP? Mr. Gasket? lol Fast and Furious was an entertaining movie, however, I hate imports.

i personally went with hypertech in my 99, worked great no leaks, etc. i hate those maf's especially the grannatelli's nothing but problems, check engine lights and lack of power.

[Speed_kills_WS6]

you live a 1/4mi at a time, but race at an 1/8mi track??! :lol:

Both, it's just a longer drive to race a 1/4 and not as many "street cars." Mostly full drag cars well under 10's. Not as fun as the 1/8. Not to mention the hot chicks. lol Want me to rephrase it as "I live my life 1/8th of a mile at a time?:Poland:

[blue02Z]

with me driving it is and i know there are a few more guys on here that say the same,sorry you cant drive your car man but there is no need to get all upset



dude, listen- i have never lost to a mach 1. i dont know where you come up with these statements about me not being able to drive. like camarojunky74 said- the street is so unpredictable. i hate to magazine race but all mags that tested the ls1 and the mach came up with almost identical numbers. the real world on the street is completely different.



why do you think you can drive sooo damn good?:dunno:

[adam3566]

dude, listen- i have never lost to a mach 1. i dont know where you come up with these statements about me not being able to drive. like camarojunky74 said- the street is so unpredictable. i hate to magazine race but all mags that tested the ls1 and the mach came up with almost identical numbers. the real world on the street is completely different.



why do you think you can drive sooo damn good?:dunno:

Nothing wrong with being able to drive good. But my main point is he kept saying he's destroyed mach 1's by 5-6 cars or whatever he stated. Then you obviously are racing shity or inexperienced drivers. .02

[lemons12]

whenever i get the cash.. i am working on a major project with the whole custom system and i am having some hell like with paint and stuff because i am doing all the work myself...but which cam would be the best economically and power wise. my dad has a magic stick or whatever it is called( the real big one) in his 98 z28 and that car will hardly even idle it is horrible..

Ms4 idles just fine.. he had a shitty tune then...

[lemons12]

stock ls1>stock mach...... by 3-4...

[blue02Z]

Nothing wrong with being able to drive good. But my main point is he kept saying he's destroyed mach 1's by 5-6 cars or whatever he stated. Then you obviously are racing shity or inexperienced drivers. .02

i see what you mean, driver error has alot to do with it

[dpinson]

look kid, i could beat an 06+ Z06 if it had a horrendous enough driver in it, but im not gonna sit there delusional about it, as yourself, and pretend my car is really faster than it.

look jack ass i never stated my car was faster but it has beat a few cobras from a dig and a roll
i will give you that it was very close and maybe a better driver in one of the cobras could have killed me
but either way a cobra is a close enough race to be a drivers race
several other ls1 have beat cobras also they arent much faster buddy so get over it

i dont think im the best driver ever but if your getting a close race out of a mach 1 then something is wrong

[flash]

look jack ass i never stated my car was faster but it has beat a few cobras from a dig and a roll
i will give you that it was very close and maybe a better driver in one of the cobras could have killed me
but either way a cobra is a close enough race to be a drivers race
several other ls1 have beat cobras also they arent much faster buddy so get over it

i dont think im the best driver ever but if your getting a close race out of a mach 1 then something is wrong

Why do you go into every thread and act like you have the fastest car on the planet and nothing can beat you.Your car is not stock so to sit there and say you beat cars that are faster than you is really misleading.
Sure anything can happen on the street,but a race up to 60 really isnt proving much is it.We all know some people are worse drivers than others that doesnt mean your car is faster it means you beat a 12 second car with a 14 second driver.Have a good day and keep trying to convince everyone that a "stock ls1" can "hang" with faster cars.

Also a mach1 is a close enough race to be a drivers race several other mach1s have beat ls1s also they arent much faster buddy.

i can hang with most cobras without the nos in my pretty stock ls1,slp air and catback , gears and the spray for those that pose a threat

[BLKCLOUD]

The quickest bone stock 03/04 Cobra I know of went 12.4 @ 114 mph (Ken Risher, a racing friend of mine).

The quickest bone stock LS1 I know of went 12.89 @ 109 mph (Evan Smith of MM&FF & GMHTP).

The quickest bone stock Mach 1 I know of went 13.09 @ 106 mph (Turbomach on Mach1registry.org).

Draw your own conclusions.

[Speed_kills_WS6]

When talking about racing cars, everything has to be looked at in a perfect world. A Mach 1 preforming flawlessly against an LS1 in the same note. In that sense, there should be no descrepancy. However, its not a perfect world and driver error goes along with that. I can't speak for all LS1's, but I can for myself. TrickStang says he runs the quarter in 12.8........What the hell is that? That's it? My busted-ass 98 TA can run 13 flat. I run a 12.67 in the 1/4 in my WS6, and that's pretty much stock. Don't think that's all that great. Is my car a factory freak?? Or am I a decent driver? Who knows...

[BLKCLOUD]

"Factory Freaks" are internet myths.

[adam3566]

When talking about racing cars, everything has to be looked at in a perfect world. A Mach 1 preforming flawlessly against an LS1 in the same note. In that sense, there should be no descrepancy. However, its not a perfect world and driver error goes along with that. I can't speak for all LS1's, but I can for myself. TrickStang says he runs the quarter in 12.8........What the hell is that? That's it? My busted-ass 98 TA can run 13 flat. I run a 12.67 in the 1/4 in my WS6, and that's pretty much stock. Don't think that's all that great. Is my car a factory freak?? Or am I a decent driver? Who knows...

If your ws6 run's a 12.67 stock then my vette run's 9's flat stock.:lol::lol:

[Speed_kills_WS6]

If your ws6 run's a 12.67 stock then my vette run's 9's flat stock.:lol::lol:

I have no reason to lie. What should it do in the 1/8? I have a cold air kit and an SLP maf, catback. That's the fastest its ever ran. Consistently runs between 12.7-12.8. Don't be a hater...:dunno:

[adam3566]

I have no reason to lie. What should it do in the 1/8? I have a cold air kit and an SLP maf, catback. That's the fastest its ever ran. Consistently runs between 12.7-12.8. Don't be a hater...:dunno:

You run a 12.7 in the 1/8 or 1/4 because I thought you meant 1/4. If your running a 12.7 in the 1/8 you have serious problems. :shrug:

[BLKCLOUD]

When talking about racing cars, everything has to be looked at in a perfect world. A Mach 1 preforming flawlessly against an LS1 in the same note. In that sense, there should be no descrepancy. However, its not a perfect world and driver error goes along with that. I can't speak for all LS1's, but I can for myself. TrickStang says he runs the quarter in 12.8........What the hell is that? That's it? My busted-ass 98 TA can run 13 flat. I run a 12.67 in the 1/4 in my WS6, and that's pretty much stock. Don't think that's all that great. Is my car a factory freak?? Or am I a decent driver? Who knows...

Quick question for you....was that 12.67 an actual 1/4 mile pass, or did you derive that from an 1/8th mile pass?

[flash]

TrickStang says he runs the quarter in 12.8........What the hell is that?


You do realize that is at 117 mph just so you know.:itsok:

[Speed_kills_WS6]

No, that was actually a 1/4 mile pass @ Carolina Dragway in Aiken, SC. "House of Hook", so its called... This other clown just wants to talk shit. This ain't my first rodeo, I've owned 4 f-bodies, 2 LT1's and 2 LS1's. I know the difference between an 1/8th and a 1/4. I have the time slip in the dash of my car along with the many others I've collected.

[Speed_kills_WS6]

It's all the same over 100...:Ohno:

[camarojunky74]

You do realize that is at 117 mph just so you know.:itsok:

lol, mph is just an estimation on your part, who knows what his mph was, i see some weird shit all the time, how about a 8 sec pass at 70mph lol, saw john force pull one of those lol

[flash]

lol, mph is just an estimation on your part, who knows what his mph was, i see some weird shit all the time, how about a 8 sec pass at 70mph lol, saw john force pull one of those lol


Here I will give you a hint........http://www.ls1.com/forums/member.php?u=38248

Then click about me and look at the bottom of sig.

[camarojunky74]

lol, comparing a s/c car that has irs is no where even close to a camaro, for ex, i ran a 12.89 at 109mph bone stock,

btw nice car

[99 Kobra]

i always say a stock termi is a good race, mother fuckers cant hook, i pound them quite often, now roll racing is a different story

That's because a lot of the owners don't know how to launch them. They floor it, dump the clutch, and hop.

[camarojunky74]

That's because a lot of the owners don't know how to launch them. They floor it, dump the clutch, and hop.

mustang--->:buttkick:<---camaro

[BLKCLOUD]

No, that was actually a 1/4 mile pass @ Carolina Dragway in Aiken, SC. "House of Hook", so its called... This other clown just wants to talk shit. This ain't my first rodeo, I've owned 4 f-bodies, 2 LT1's and 2 LS1's. I know the difference between an 1/8th and a 1/4. I have the time slip in the dash of my car along with the many others I've collected.

I see. Could you post the timeslip, please? I'm interested to see the incrementals.

[dpinson]

lol, comparing a s/c car that has irs is no where even close to a camaro, for ex, i ran a 12.89 at 109mph bone stock,

btw nice car

AND WOULD YOU SAY THE CL0SER RACE WAS WITH THE MACH1 OR THE TERMI?

[dpinson]

Why do you go into every thread and act like you have the fastest car on the planet and nothing can beat you.Your car is not stock so to sit there and say you beat cars that are faster than you is really misleading.
Sure anything can happen on the street,but a race up to 60 really isnt proving much is it.We all know some people are worse drivers than others that doesnt mean your car is faster it means you beat a 12 second car with a 14 second driver.Have a good day and keep trying to convince everyone that a "stock ls1" can "hang" with faster cars.

Also a mach1 is a close enough race to be a drivers race several other mach1s have beat ls1s also they arent much faster buddy.

I WAS REFERRING TO STOCK VERSUS STOCK AND FIND WHERE I EVER STATED MY CAR WAS THE FASTEST AROUND
I MIGHT BE DUMB BUT IM NOT STUPID FOR ME TO THINK THAT I WOULD HAVE TO BE MENTAL
I WASNT TALKING ABOUT FASTER CARS WAS I I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TERMI COBRA WHICH IN MY OPINION ISNT THAT MUCH FASTER
IF I WANTED TO RUN MY MOUTH I WOULD SAY I SMOKED A FERRARI ENZO
OR A STROKED AND SPRAYED C6ZO6 NOT SOME MUSTANG

[dpinson]

That's because a lot of the owners don't know how to launch them. They floor it, dump the clutch, and hop.

THE SAME THING HAPPENS TO A BUNCH A LS1 OWNERS TOO
HELL WHEN I FIRST GOT MY CAR I COULDNT FIND TRACTION IN ANY GEAR

[TrickStang37]

When talking about racing cars, everything has to be looked at in a perfect world. A Mach 1 preforming flawlessly against an LS1 in the same note. In that sense, there should be no descrepancy. However, its not a perfect world and driver error goes along with that. I can't speak for all LS1's, but I can for myself. TrickStang says he runs the quarter in 12.8........What the hell is that? That's it? My busted-ass 98 TA can run 13 flat. I run a 12.67 in the 1/4 in my WS6, and that's pretty much stock. Don't think that's all that great. Is my car a factory freak?? Or am I a decent driver? Who knows...

haha i only have one half decent run in my car with this set up, its not actually optimized for drag racing. im running 700# springs in the front and back = ZERO weight transfer. I don't have wheel hop now tho, but it is really tough to launch even with 315's in the back. 2nd gear i can just mash it though.

basically, i CANT run ANY slower than 12.8 no matter how bad i butcher the launch, unless i miss a gear.

[Chris Arnold]

Bob, that is about the quickest I've heard of a cobra going, a little faster than I've heard of a Mach 1 going, and the fastest one I've heard of for any LS1, as well. I think that it's a very fair comparison of the difference that one should see between the three examples on a given day. Of course given driver, and option differences the races can vary. For example a crap driver in a vert Cobra might get upset by a good driver in an M6 1LE Camaro. For the most part though, I believe that on the street the 2 or so tenths of a second difference between a Mach1 and an LS1 makes for a great example of a "driver's" race.

The guy running a 12.67 in an LS1 that is "pretty much stock" is obviously not bone-stock. And given that on street tires my vette cut a low 2.0 or high 1.9x 60' time and then went on to run a 13.2 in high DA conditions, I think with a set of stickies out back it's conceivable to run a 12.67 without any other modifications. I don't think that there's any reason to think that vettes have a major advantage over a minimally optioned LS1 camaro or transam, especially one with the LS6 intake. So, I'm guessing that the guy's got sticky tires, and/or a couple of basic bolt-ons. All of which will be told when he posts a timeslip....if he posts one.

Chris

[Speed_kills_WS6]

Ok, I screwed up. My 1/4 time was actually 12.761, not 12.67. That's my fault.
I'll post it as soon as I can get it scanned. Here's the numbers:

R/T: .078
60' : 1.806
1/8: 8.233 @ 88.48 MPH
1/4: 12.76 @ 113.09 MPH

This is with a 2002 TA WS6 M6. I have an SLP CAI, SLP MAF, Borla Catback. 93 octane and on street tires. I did not buy this car brand new, so its possible something has been done that I don't know about. However, I can tell nothing out of the ordinary and believe the gearing is still the same. It's the quickest time I've ever run in it, both the quarter and the 1/8th. I'll post the slip as soon as I can. Anyone have any explanations???

[BLKCLOUD]

Explanation for what?

Anyway, would like to see the timeslip. When did you run that ET? It would be interesting to compare it to your "best" 1/8th mile of 8.432 @ 86mph (http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78026).

[N20LT4]

I have no reason to lie. What should it do in the 1/8? I have a cold air kit and an SLP maf, catback. That's the fastest its ever ran. Consistently runs between 12.7-12.8. Don't be a hater...:dunno:

O.k. guys, let's use our brains here. What's not logical about Speed_Kills_WS6
turning 12.7-12.8's in the quarter with just a couple mods, if Evan Smith wen't 12'8 bone-stock? Some of you guys make practically no sense. Are you guys calling Evan Smith a liar, or just Speed_kills? If Evan got 12.80's, with driving skills alike and a few more mods mid 12's is absolutely accessible. To much jockin' the stang bangers, and not enuff f-body support around here.

[Cayenne97]

Yeah I know. I remember when I wen't 13.4 in my last car ('93 Firehawk M6) I had guys doubting me left and right. People can be funny at times.

[dpinson]

O.k. guys, let's use our brains here. What's not logical about Speed_Kills_WS6
turning 12.7-12.8's in the quarter with just a couple mods, if Evan Smith wen't 12'8 bone-stock? Some of you guys make practically no sense. Are you guys calling Evan Smith a liar, or just Speed_kills? If Evan got 12.80's, with driving skills alike and a few more mods mid 12's is absolutely accessible. To much jockin' the stang bangers, and not enuff f-body support around here.

finally someone makes sense
all these stang bangers would like to believe that there car is just totally dominating out of the factory but in truth even the supercharged ones still have there handsfull with a f-body and a gm 8 cylinder naturally aspirated motor

[dpinson]

praise for the general anyone

[Cayenne97]

praise for the general anyone

AMEN.

[dpinson]

amen

[BLKCLOUD]

My 99 T/A went 12.8 with very few mods after only a couple of times at the track. Disputing whether or not an LS1 with a few bolt-ons can run 12.7 (or better) is not what I am doing. Can't speak for others, though.

[N20LT4]

My 99 T/A went 12.8 with very few mods after only a couple of times at the track. Disputing whether or not an LS1 with a few bolt-ons can run 12.7 (or better) is not what I am doing. Can't speak for others, though.

So then...What are you doing? For some odd reason, your comments always seem to veir towards the left??? :think:

[TrickStang37]

Ok, I screwed up. My 1/4 time was actually 12.761, not 12.67. That's my fault.
I'll post it as soon as I can get it scanned. Here's the numbers:

R/T: .078
60' : 1.806
1/8: 8.233 @ 88.48 MPH
1/4: 12.76 @ 113.09 MPH

This is with a 2002 TA WS6 M6. I have an SLP CAI, SLP MAF, Borla Catback. 93 octane and on street tires. I did not buy this car brand new, so its possible something has been done that I don't know about. However, I can tell nothing out of the ordinary and believe the gearing is still the same. It's the quickest time I've ever run in it, both the quarter and the 1/8th. I'll post the slip as soon as I can. Anyone have any explanations???

you consistantly pull 1.80's with street tires? that must be one heavily prepped track. where i've gone (sac) they dont do any sort of track prep whatsoever and its not uncommon for people to just drive through the water boxes when they dont know what they're doing and puddle up the staging area. this is on wed. nights btw.

[lemons12]

you consistantly pull 1.80's with street tires? that must be one heavily prepped track. where i've gone (sac) they dont do any sort of track prep whatsoever and its not uncommon for people to just drive through the water boxes when they dont know what they're doing and puddle up the staging area. this is on wed. nights btw.

1.8 on street tires.. with an M6... hes a hell of a driver..:yay:

[BLKCLOUD]

So then...What are you doing? For some odd reason, your comments always seem to veir towards the left??? :think:

Actually, I veir (sic) towards the right. :D

[camarojunky74]

well in some support for my fellow f body bros, my car go's consistent 1.,89 60's with toyo proxes t1r tires, m6 btw, kinda funny you say one hell of a driver, i consider myself good at the wheel, but by no means a legend, and when my paper air filter slp ss went 12.89 at 109 my freinds shit some bricks, its possible ive done it on a less than great track, my best 1/8 mile time is 8.33 of course this is on the best 1/8 mile track around. when i ran my 12 it was a 8.39 1/8.

i dont know if this matters to some but i have 295 tires out back which could be considered not stock anymore but i think having the big 18's up front doesnt help my et any either lol

oh also keep in mind my car came with the slp blackwing intake, different exhaust and supposedly a different tune.

[Chris Arnold]

113 is a damn strong running car and a 1.80 on street tires in a RWD platform is an exceptional launch - I've never seen one stronger unless by "street tires" he means "street legal" drag radials.

Also I think you guys are getting to defensive. I didn't see anyone trying to disqualify his time. It's certainly possible.

Showing the timeslip gives us an idea of where the time is coming from i.e. the launch and front end of the track or the power made throughout. 1.80 on actual street non-drag-radial tires is something I'd rather not believe until I see. Other than that, I can certainly believe that a good driver can accomplish the times he gave. My '97 M6 vette, for example, showed me 108mph traps in decent but not ideal conditions. I think that '01+ LS1s were making about 10-15 more rwhp so I can see a stock LS1 F-body or vette going as much as 111mph through the traps stock and a couple of bolt-ons would certainly give it the extra power needed to run 113.

Other than the street tire thing and the probability of all of the right conditions coming together, I don't see why the time couldn't be run.

Still, if you gullibly believe what you are told on the internet, the vast majority of people here drive like Evan Smith, and have a car that runs at the realm of possibility. If you're less gullible then you realize that what you hear on the internet happens far to frequently to actually be possible. Then you'll be in my camp where you believe unlikely things when you see them, but not when someone is bragging or trumping someone else. In those types of situations the truth is increasingly likely to be exaggerated or distorted.

Just me,

Chris

[lemons12]

i wasnt making fun.. and i didnt call him a legend....... thats some damn good driving..


as to the other one.. you have what?? ls6 intake.. that tune. some exhaust....?? 8.3 is expected... not suprising..

[camarojunky74]

i wasnt making fun.. and i didnt call him a legend....... thats some damn good driving..


as to the other one.. you have what?? ls6 intake.. that tune. some exhaust....?? 8.3 is expected... not suprising..

lol, wow, well this is the other one talking, my car is bone stock from the factory, some say the exhaust is different, i beg the differ and it has a tune, that is neither here nor there, i havent confirmed this with dave hamburger yet, and an ls6 is stock as you know, an 8.3 for a stock m6 is hardly expected, but rare, lol thats like saying 12 sec passes are common place for a stock f body,

[lemons12]

lol, wow, well this is the other one talking, my car is bone stock from the factory, some say the exhaust is different, i beg the differ and it has a tune, that is neither here nor there, i havent confirmed this with dave hamburger yet, and an ls6 is stock as you know, an 8.3 for a stock m6 is hardly expected, but rare, lol thats like saying 12 sec passes are common place for a stock f body,

alright... well you understand what i was saying.. i ran an 8.4 in a 98.. so newer.. with a few more goodies. maybe not expected.. but.. more believeable than a 98 doing it.. anyways.. good times either way....