so i hate my firehawk

[blackhawk01]

lost to a stage 2 cobalt ss with an intake and a bmw335i with a tune...

i expected way more out of my car...god damn thing doesnt even have the factory heads...pos

[JwMonE99]

Damn, must of been one of those shit happens races.

[Demon_Z28]

thats weird, maybe you sucks with the M6....

[TransAmy]

shh dont let it hear you curse it. then it will go extra slow next time...

[jimmybling31]

lost to a stage 2 cobalt ss with an intake and a bmw335i with a tune...

i expected way more out of my car...god damn thing doesnt even have the factory heads...pos

how? I can even beat those. that's really weird, unless it's more than a stage2 cobalt... then if he has some stuff done i could see it but a 335 with tune i do not believe

[jrc1122]

Sounds like you lost a few cylinders or something.

[jimmybling31]

Sounds like you lost a few cylinders or something.

that sounds about right. lol

[third_shift|studios]

get your shit tuned, bro!

[t-rock]

you lost at the track? from a dig or roll race or what?

[BLKCLOUD]

lost to a stage 2 cobalt ss with an intake and a bmw335i with a tune...

i expected way more out of my car...god damn thing doesnt even have the factory heads...pos

I can understand your frustration, and I have a cure. I'll trade you - headsup - for my killer 1997 B2300 ("Fluffy") so that you won't have to put up with the agony of getting beat by little 4 bangers and snooty beemers. It's a win/win (mostly for you).

Just give me a shout some time.

[Palli]

There's obviously something wrong with your car, get it tuned.

[Hardtop_02]

how? I can even beat those. that's really weird, unless it's more than a stage2 cobalt... then if he has some stuff done i could see it but a 335 with tune i do not believe


A new BMW 335 is turbocharged. With a good tune they are a 12 second car. Stock, or cars with few mods probably would have some problems handling one of them.

[dpinson]

A new BMW 335 is turbocharged. With a good tune they are a 12 second car. Stock, or cars with few mods probably would have some problems handling one of them.
yeah ive heard that but what about the cobalt if it was a stage 2
to the op sorry about the luck man dont be mad at the car ,it cant win them all for you
just be glad they had to spend some dough to beat you with those rides

[BLKCLOUD]

coughlearncoughtocoughdrivecough

[dpinson]

coughlearncoughtocoughdrivecough

lmao

[Cayenne97]

lost to a stage 2 cobalt ss with an intake and a bmw335i with a tune...

i expected way more out of my car...god damn thing doesnt even have the factory heads...pos

I'd be willing to bet your LS1 has issues. I've been there before when I thought my car was slow, and come to find out I was running on less than 8 cylinders the whole time. My suggestion is to have your motor checked out by a technician that has know how on the LS1, and find the problem(s).

The only other thing I could think of is those guys flat out lied to you. Both cars had much - much more done to them than you were informed. Gotta know what your going up against ;)

I can understand your frustration, and I have a cure. I'll trade you - headsup - for my killer 1997 B2300 ("Fluffy") so that you won't have to put up with the agony of getting beat by little 4 bangers and snooty beemers. It's a win/win (mostly for you).

Just give me a shout some time.

idiotic reply.

coughlearncoughtocoughdrivecough

another idiotic reply.

[BLKCLOUD]

LOL. Oh. Excuse me. I was simply replying in-kind with the original post, and obviously didn't realize the inidiotic company I was keeping. Please accept my humble apologies, kind sir.

Oh ya...I'd bet the problem with the car is located just aft of the steering wheel. It's the kind of problem that takes only a little experience and time to fix.

[Cayenne97]

sharp reply ;)

[blackhawk01]

yeah..i guess I should get it checked out..I already know that the heads on it are not the factory heads...look at this shit..806..

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b388/brodband/DSCN0272.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b388/brodband/DSCN0273.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b388/brodband/DSCN0274.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b388/brodband/DSCN0275.jpg

[dpinson]

Why Do You Say They Are Not Factory
Just Wondering I Dont Have A Clue What All Casting Numbers They Came With

[blackhawk01]

Why Do You Say They Are Not Factory
Just Wondering I Dont Have A Clue What All Casting Numbers They Came With

go look at your heads..they will say 241 and they will not be perimeter head bolt..a little better flowing..(or so they say)...go take a picture of it if u have a camera and post it up so that for the people who dont know can see a difference

[dpinson]

Yeah I See Now,sorry No Camera But That Could Be It
Have It Checked Out
Have You Ever Had It Dynoed

[Cayenne97]

go look at your heads..they will say 241 and they will not be perimeter head bolt..a little better flowing..(or so they say)...go take a picture of it if u have a camera and post it up so that for the people who dont know can see a difference

The 806 casting heads on your LS1 are indeed factory. The issue is that your motor might have a lower compression ratio (around 9.6:1) than normal depending on the factory head gasket thickness, which in some cases were changed from year to year. This link will give you a little more info http://ls1tech.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-111207.html

[blackhawk01]

that would help to understand the shitty performance

[blackhawk01]

i don't know if I should sell my car or what..lol

[Orcus79]

You can't win then all, if you only bought he car to race it and build your ego, then yea sell the car to someone who will enjoy it for then just street thrashing. Our cars aren't untouchable and a little knowledge goes along way. you need experiance and to listen to the car. Are you getting wheel spin? They won't always scream and squak if they are. What were road conditions? What where your RPMS doing comparied to acelleration?

Did you you know that the power band really starts strong around 2200RPM. Where are you shifting? Is your clutch slipping? Many factors can slow the car. Big stereo system?

[blackhawk01]

You can't win then all, if you only bought he car to race it and build your ego, then yea sell the car to someone who will enjoy it for then just street thrashing. Our cars aren't untouchable and a little knowledge goes along way. you need experiance and to listen to the car. Are you getting wheel spin? They won't always scream and squak if they are. What were road conditions? What where your RPMS doing comparied to acelleration?

Did you you know that the power band really starts strong around 2200RPM. Where are you shifting? Is your clutch slipping? Many factors can slow the car. Big stereo system?

none that I can think of :dunno:....im gonna talk to my dad about either selling it or trading it in...i might go buy a turd gen or something lol..something thats a little cheaper to build up

[JwMonE99]

Wait so some LS1s have bad heads and are weaker then the others?

[Orcus79]

none that I can think of :dunno:....im gonna talk to my dad about either selling it or trading it in...i might go buy a turd gen or something lol..something thats a little cheaper to build up

I'll fill you in on somthing I have beent he pround owner of a 02 WS6 M6 for the last three years with a few runs under my belt. Last summer I ran a Cobalt SS and G35 both were close from a combo of bad driving on my part and lack of traction from cheap tires that I have plus a slightly sandy road surface. I actually had to peddle the G35 as I started to get sideways from wheel spin in second gear.

How long have you had it? many miles? Before you give up take a good long look at the car and think about itm chances are all it needs is fuel filter (fuel starvation) and tune up and tune. If you want easy then yea sell the car and get an off the shelf POS that looks like and sounds like every other thing out there. If you want to be unique keep it and work one it. That is if you wanna get dirty and not have the parents buy you what every you want.

[Orcus79]

Wait so some LS1s have bad heads and are weaker then the others?

Not that I know of, but flow numbers and compresion can vary with differnant prodution runs and updates. Thats the joy of mass production. Hence why there are so called "factory freaks" that produce more power then average. Luck of the draw.

[FuhBreezeE]

You'll regret selling the 'Hawk. Maybe not the day after, but believe me, you will.

[jrc1122]

none that I can think of :dunno:....im gonna talk to my dad about either selling it or trading it in...i might go buy a turd gen or something lol..something thats a little cheaper to build up


I'm totally baffled by this whole mentality.
Your going to sell something with a C5 corvette engine in it- so you can get something else?

Dude you are 18-- What do you want a Lambo? a Ferrari Enzo?

Before you go and get dumb and sell your car, so you can build up "something else".. Why don't you take it to the track and see what your ET and your mph are.

Then let someone you trust- that drives better than you, drive it and see what they can do ( Usually a father, or unlce, someone with more experience for RWD V8 power)---

Why on God's green earth would you sell a Firehawk, to get something else to "race"


If it has a major mechanical issue-- I can understand wanting to get rid of it, but then again you better disclose that to the buyer-- Karma is a biotch.
If you disclose it as a problem you are going to lose a lot of money there, you are better off- fixing it (if there even is a problem) and hooking it up.

People put LS1s into the 10s all the time and still make it street driveable.

[2000 SS Beast]

none that I can think of :dunno:....im gonna talk to my dad about either selling it or trading it in...i might go buy a turd gen or something lol..something thats a little cheaper to build up


Is it still illegal to shoot someone in the face?

[dpinson]

You'll regret selling the 'Hawk. Maybe not the day after, but believe me, you will.

I AGREE MAN YOU ARE LUCKY TO HAVE SUCH A BEAUTIFUL CAR , ENJOY IT
I LOVE MY CAMARO BUT A TRANS AM JUST LOOKS STRAIGHT MEAN

[Bowtie_girl30]

That Firehawk just needs someone who is willing to take care of her. It's not that hard to take her to a shop and find out what's wrong with her... Ill trade you my Cavy for her since that seems to be as much HP as you can handle...

[blackhawk01]

im also getting rid of it So I can save more money and go to college and flight school

[BULLET_WS6]

That Firehawk just needs someone who is willing to take care of her. It's not that hard to take her to a shop and find out what's wrong with her... Ill trade you my Cavy for her since that seems to be as much HP as you can handle...

:Owned::hide:

[blackls1ta]

if you wanna sell ill gladly take that firehawk from you,that would be a dumb mistake

[JwMonE99]

I will buy it

[blackhawk01]

anybody can take it from me..like I said..it pissed me off last night..then after I realized why I had it I began to not appreciate it..now I want to sell it to someone who will appreciate it and might can lock it up in a garage and keep the value of it. I also want to buy something thats already payed for. I want to save the moeny for school and flight school

[Rikki_SeVeN]

wow... I've seen 5 year old girls that whine less about something so small as loosing to something...

so you lost... who the fk gives a crap!?... that's part of the whole deal man... you can't win 100% of the times, and who knows probably conditions just weren't right for you...and in the end, once you sell it, you'll regret it every day... believe me...I've thought about it tons of time...but you know what... I'm not gonna... and you shouldn't either really...

[blackhawk01]

you need to READ my posts...


I also want to buy something thats already payed for. I want to save the moeny for school and flight school

[blackhawk01]

wow... I've seen 5 year old girls that whine less about something so small as loosing to something...

so you lost... who the fk gives a crap!?... that's part of the whole deal man... you can't win 100% of the times, and who knows probably conditions just weren't right for you...and in the end, once you sell it, you'll regret it every day... believe me...I've thought about it tons of time...but you know what... I'm not gonna... and you shouldn't either really...

not only that man but i only make 12/hr..which is REALLY good for someone my age.......shit i dont know man..i really dont know what i want..lol this sucks

[98T/Aformula.]

Your a little girl lol, cry to mom and daddy not here, but in the mean time here is something you can go out and buy for sure !!!!

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/BAMFjustin/b726_1.jpg

[Rikki_SeVeN]

you need to READ my posts...

a friend of mine is starting flight school in the next few months... he is selling his POS Jetta... for a T/A...probably LT1... and he just got a simple student loan to start paying for classes... so where there is a will there is a way...

[Rikki_SeVeN]

not only that man but i only make 12/hr..which is REALLY good for someone my age.......shit i dont know man..i really dont know what i want..lol this sucks

I wish I was making more then $5.15 per hour... I'm starting my Masters Degree next week... at $1,700 per semester, I'll get a loan, and a better paying job... but my Camaro STAYS!!!... ain't giving that up for anything

[blackhawk01]

Your a little girl lol, cry to mom and daddy not here, but in the mean time here is something you can go out and buy for sure !!!!

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/BAMFjustin/b726_1.jpg

yeah thats a litltle over the line...so instead of PMing you ill just call u out in the middle of the bunch..

suck a dick

[JwMonE99]

How much would you sell ur firehawk for?

[98T/Aformula.]

yeah thats a litltle over the line...so instead of PMing you ill just call u out in the middle of the bunch..

suck a dick

Oh got me good ! Im not even kidding consider it !

[blackhawk01]

alright...so i talked w/ my dad..and we got some stuff straightned out...went through a thought process and figured out what I can do. I decide to keep my car and mod it...sounds like a good plan right?

ive had to many people talk me up on the forum to keep it...so that makes me feel a whole ton better about it...therefore I have changed my mind to sell it..now I just need to mod it :devil:

[Bowtie_girl30]

alright...so i talked w/ my dad..and we got some stuff straightned out...went through a thought process and figured out what I can do. I decide to keep my car and mod it...sounds like a good plan right?

ive had to many people talk me up on the forum to keep it...so that makes me feel a whole ton better about it...therefore I have changed my mind to sell it..now I just need to mod it :devil:

Finally the boy makes sense! :yup:

[JHayesLS1]

alright...so i talked w/ my dad..and we got some stuff straightned out...went through a thought process and figured out what I can do. I decide to keep my car and mod it...sounds like a good plan right?

ive had to many people talk me up on the forum to keep it...so that makes me feel a whole ton better about it...therefore I have changed my mind to sell it..now I just need to mod it :devil:

Look man, I sold my Trans Am to cover tuition, if it is really bothering you that much over the payment then you need to sell it. I was paying 380 a month on mine for 3 years. I absolutely want to shoot myself for getting rid of it, but on the other hand I have some savings now, and I do not have that payment over my head anymore. If you can make the payments and stay in school then do so, if not, sell it and let someone else drive it. Then when you graduate and whatever else get another one.

[t-rock]

i would rather drive a my firehawk with only 3 cylinders than drive a fast blown stroked gay ass cobalt. you need to find some other fbods in your area and let them at those cars that beat you. you might get a driver mod or two.

[mrr23]

if your car is a 2001, then those are not the original heads for that car. the 806 perimeter bolts heads are from 97-98 only. someone has changed them.

[blackhawk01]

if your car is a 2001, then those are not the original heads for that car. the 806 perimeter bolts heads are from 97-98 only. someone has changed them.

yeah i know its gay...lol...i was actually thinking about picking up a set of stock heads up for like 150 bucks...would it even be worth my time to put them on the car? maybe I could buy some and get them CNC ported adn polished? I wonder if that would be a cheaper option than buying some heads.....?

[mrr23]

if you are going to replace them, might as well get ported. also, to convert to original and/or ported, you'll need to get the centerbolt valve covers and coil brackets.

[blackhawk01]

if you are going to replace them, might as well get ported. also, to convert to original and/or ported, you'll need to get the centerbolt valve covers and coil brackets.

yeah i know...i cant wait..they look soo much cleaner than the perimeter head bolts

is there any obvious thing I can look at that will help me tell if its even my original engine or not? it has the LS6 intake on it..which is cool

[180ls1]

you might want to make sure that you still have the ls6 intake also. that would suck if you did not.

[BlankinSShip]

The 335i With a Tune is very likely to beat you.

My SS is 324rwhp and 333tq... my Dad drives a 07 335i which is TWIN turbo, not single... and From a roll, I had him by a car length... from a Dig, he had me by half a car length... Both of us know how to drive seeing as how he taught me...

Dont beat yourself up... The Cobalt probably had a sneaky pete, and losing the Bimmer is not that crazy...

You still have an awesome car and drive around 3300 pounds of American Tradition... Dont hate it...

[rapter34]

I've bee looking at this post and keep wondering what are the HP numbers and 1/4 mile times? cause if they are on the up and up then you have a need for speed.

[rsg98Z28]

Yea i dont thinkthose heads are stock it looks like you hve 97/98 valve covers

[blackhawk01]

moving on to change the fuel filter and spark plugs saturday...buddy of mine rode w/ me and said he could hear my car start to ping at around 5300 RPMs

[Cayenne97]

moving on to change the fuel filter and spark plugs saturday...buddy of mine rode w/ me and said he could hear my car start to ping at around 5300 RPMs

How many miles on that 'hawk?

[blackhawk01]

77777...changed the fuel filter...it doesnt ..drop off at 5200 anymore...but it sure pings like hell and it feels like im running over rumble strips...i know a buddy of mine advanced the timing to 28 degrees if I can remember correctly. ...but after it gets up around 5200 it just starts to ping real bad...any info on what this could be?

[Cayenne97]

sounds like you might have bought a lemon dude. Take your car to a skilled mechanic and have it fully diagnosed. Save yourself all of the other B.S.

[Redegal]

[QUOTE=blackhawk01;1340589]77777i know a buddy of mine advanced the timing to 28 degrees if I can remember correctly. ...
Wow, no wonder it pings.

[blackhawk01]

im trying to sell it so I can possibly buy another T/A or camaro

[Redegal]

How much do you want for that lemon? Keep us posted.

[blackhawk01]

ok so I got XXX Motorsports to reflash it to stock for me..great..no knock..but now if I drop it in neutral and rev is...it only revs to 2200 and dies....does the same thing when im shifting sometimes..I will shift..the car will die down..and then pick back up and jerk the hell out of me...i don't fucking know...im tired of spending all of the money to fix the problems with it

[blackhawk01]

$16,500 Obo

[dpinson]

$16,500 Obo

funny

[blackhawk01]

ok so I got XXX Motorsports to reflash it to stock for me..great..no knock..but now if I drop it in neutral and rev is...it only revs to 2200 and dies....does the same thing when im shifting sometimes..I will shift..the car will die down..and then pick back up and jerk the hell out of me...i don't fucking know...im tired of spending all of the money to fix the problems with it

CAN ANYBODY HELP ME WITH THIS

[99blueZ]

you might want to make sure that you still have the ls6 intake also. that would suck if you did not.

good idea. If someone went through the trouble to put a set of 806 heads on the car and kept the better 241 heads, then they probably put on a LS1 'vette intake and tuned out the egr code. Not to scare you but you might have an entire engine from a '97-'98 car with even more than the 77k!!

[blackhawk01]

I sitll have the LS6 intake

[99blueZ]

I sitll have the LS6 intake

well atleast thats a positive!!

[blackhawk01]

does anyone know how to turn off Drivetrain Abuse Protection?

[t-rock]

your car seems as if it has had foul play. my stock hawk beats stock c5 vettes. so be patient and get to the bottom of your problem. i had a simple vaccume hose with a tiny hole in it on a 02 ta i used to have which gave me loss of power so be patient and start getting numbers off everything and do some research to make sure you have what your supposed to have.

[99blueZ]

your car seems as if it has had foul play. my stock hawk beats stock c5 vettes. so be patient and get to the bottom of your problem. i had a simple vaccume hose with a tiny hole in it on a 02 ta i used to have which gave me loss of power so be patient and start getting numbers off everything and do some research to make sure you have what your supposed to have.

+1 ... a simple fix could change your car completely. I had an issue with my MAF about 2 years ago that drove me nuts and took months to figure out. Car felt like a dog and it pissed me off. Once I figured it out the car ran like new and felt 10x faster!! Don't give up on your hawk!

[Rikki_SeVeN]

+1 ... a simple fix could change your car completely. I had an issue with my MAF about 2 years ago that drove me nuts and took months to figure out. Car felt like a dog and it pissed me off. Once I figured it out the car ran like new and felt 10x faster!! Don't give up on your hawk!

something like that happened to me... a bunch of little things... Maf, O2... Plugs and wires... and a few months later... It's runnin better then ever...

[99blueZ]

something like that happened to me... a bunch of little things... Maf, O2... Plugs and wires... and a few months later... It's runnin better then ever...

yep! I hate playing the guessing game and buying parts to figure out whats wrong!!

[blackhawk01]

alright heres the story

got my car tuned to stock today at XXX. now whenever I have my clutch in and I rev it..the car only revs to 2200 and dies then comes back alive at like 1700 and does it again like its hitting some kind of rev limiter shit. if i let off the clutch..i can rev it to the limiter all day long..whut the hell

[BULLET_WS6]

check into cleaning your injectors, change spark plugs etc... get all that cheap stuff out of the way then you can eliminate those:nilly:

[Rikki_SeVeN]

yep! I hate playing the guessing game and buying parts to figure out whats wrong!!

yeah, and the guy who did most of the work had that nifty... Snappon Scanner...that cheks everything... and he still couldn't figure anything out

[Rikki_SeVeN]

alright heres the story

got my car tuned to stock today at XXX. now whenever I have my clutch in and I rev it..the car only revs to 2200 and dies then comes back alive at like 1700 and does it again like its hitting some kind of rev limiter shit. if i let off the clutch..i can rev it to the limiter all day long..whut the hell

hell... I think the answer is in hell... you should ask the Devil why did he fuck your car up!!!... cause that shit just ain't normal

[underated98z]

Yea something is wrong with your car. Because the Z28 Camaro had FIPK and a Flowmaster mufler and beat the 335i. I just saw the race on ls1tech. Heres the link:

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=870673

[t-rock]

alright heres the story

got my car tuned to stock today at XXX. now whenever I have my clutch in and I rev it..the car only revs to 2200 and dies then comes back alive at like 1700 and does it again like its hitting some kind of rev limiter shit. if i let off the clutch..i can rev it to the limiter all day long..whut the hell

sounds like something to do with your clutch switch i dont know why but thats where i would look next. do you still have to depress the clutch to start? is the rpm change you speak of in the same place as the safety switch?

[blackhawk01]

sounds like something to do with your clutch switch i dont know why but thats where i would look next. do you still have to depress the clutch to start? is the rpm change you speak of in the same place as the safety switch?

yeah i still depress the clutch to start the car...only when then clutch is in this problem occurs...now if I let out of the clutch super fast the car wont screw up...clutch switch maybe? how can I test this?

[02blkws6]

This car may have an engine out of a '98. The original might have been shelled.

[blackhawk01]

This car may have an engine out of a '98. The original might have been shelled.

thats weird though..because it still has the LS6 intake..and no EGR, and I dont see any butt splices or solderd lines or anything as to where one would have been and deleted:duno:

btw..got the car tuned back to stock, changed the fuel filter..huge difference compared to my last "home street tune" and old fuel filter..car was straining...bad

I figured out my clutch problem...its the cruise safety switch...i just took it off of the bracket on the clutch pedal and taped that bitch closed...no more problems lol

[2000LS1Bird]

Have you not timed the car in the 1/4?

[blackhawk01]

no not yet