M3 Beamer ???

[sscamaro22]

My buddy's got an M3 early 2000's he says he's stock but has a chip. He's claiming 383 hp? how do you guys think id do against him?

2001 ss camaro
mods: slp lm catback, slp air lid, and other little shit

[180ls1]

haha he has no 383hp. you will beat him as long as you are not a horrible driver.

[ultra_badass]

you will get him no prob..

[sscamaro22]

well now hes sayin he has a computer tune? Thats what gives him the 383 hp lol is he bull shittin me?

[ultra_badass]

Engine Configuration I
Cylinders 6
Aspiration/Induction Normal
Displacement 3.20 L | 195.3 cu in. | 3201 cc.
Valves 24 valves.
4 valves per cylinder.
Valvetrain DOHC
Horsepower 343.00 HP (252.4 KW)
Torque 268.00 Ft-Lbs (363.4 NM) @ 4900.00 RPM
HP / Liter 107.2 BHP / Liter
Compression Ratio 10.2:1

thats on a 2000 so i guess its possible but its still a 6 and i just dont see it just dont miss a gear and you should be good and it weights more then our cars so i wouldnt sweat it just race him and see what happens

[sscamaro22]

and its a 2002

[sscamaro22]

aight thanks man ill let you know

[basballny2]

268 TQ ouchh..... race from a low roll, say around 10-15 mph

[ultra_badass]

im pretty sure that all that info is to the flywheel not the rear so the TQ is going to be super low and the hp will be around ours but whats HP with no TQ

[hutch1999]

might be a pretty tough race good luck. The chip has has prolly just takes the speed limiter off.

[basballny2]

leme know when and where maybe ill come watch haha

[tonyjnjz]

01-06 m-3's have 333 hp not 343 and it takes a LOOOOOOOOOOT to get more ponies out of them ..he does NOT make 383 hp with a chip.......google m3 performance upgrades.....dinan is a big name upgrade bmws see what there chip provides....its prolly more like 5hp ...race him and shut him up quick ..here ill google it since i now have to know......brb..lol

[tonyjnjz]

http://www.dinancars.com/Series.asp?Series=14&Chassis=10&Model=9


intake/exhaust/ stage 3 chip/ mass air flow sensor/ 4500 dollars.....355 hp...glad i own an ls1 :D

fuck him up !!!!

[MikeSomething]

Guys, that M3 is not an easy kill (any newer than the 90's). They grab pretty good, they come w/ some pretty wide tires & have some power to em. Don't be lead to believe it's gonna be like your racing against a stock Civic or something...

You an A4 or M6?

[tonyjnjz]

Guys, that M3 is not an easy kill (any newer than the 90's). They grab pretty good, they come w/ some pretty wide tires & have some power to em. Don't be lead to believe it's gonna be like your racing against a stock Civic or something...

You an A4 or M6?




oh im definitly NOT saying that at all.....we do have a slight edge though especially up top

[basballny2]

due to the wide tires/traction i said to go from a 10-15 mph roll, low enough that his tourque will still be shit but just enough to get you going with some good traction

[sscamaro22]

M6 so I should have him off the line

[nhrabracketracer]

50 Horses of a chip? C'mon...maybe 10 at most but not 50. I think as long as you leave good and dont spin hes yours unless hes hiding something

[jimmybling31]

http://www.dinancars.com/Series.asp?Series=14&Chassis=10&Model=9


intake/exhaust/ stage 3 chip/ mass air flow sensor/ 4500 dollars.....355 hp...glad i own an ls1 :D

fuck him up !!!!

i agree with you. gah. i'm not even scared of m3's now. lol.

[hutch1999]

i agree with you. gah. i'm not even scared of m3's now. lol.

lol what do you have done to your 94 camaro to not be afraid of a newer m3?

[Bigdeezs]

lol what do you have done to your 94 camaro to not be afraid of a newer m3?

agreed :confused:

[Rikki_SeVeN]

268 TQ ouchh..... race from a low roll, say around 10-15 mph

hells yeah...best Idea ever... with the 3600lbs curb weight... and next to no Torque in Low RPMS... it'll be over before you reach 80mph...

[OnEbAdReDSS]

OK.... this guy has a M3... chipped and a muffler... I have a lid,bellow, Free Ram Air Mods, and CatBack... i put 2-3 cars in the race

[MikeSomething]

OK.... this guy has a M3... chipped and a muffler... I have a lid,bellow, Free Ram Air Mods, and CatBack... i put 2-3 cars in the race
Awesome, chalk one up for the LS1!

[Roastem]

I ran a badgeless one on I40 a year or two ago, man that thing would have eaten a bolt-on LS1's lunch. Little fast-n-furious type guy driving, I had 370 something to the wheels at the time, but only put a car or two on him to 150 mph. Watch out!

[tonyjnjz]

I ran a badgeless one on I40 a year or two ago, man that thing would have eaten a bolt-on LS1's lunch. Little fast-n-furious type guy driving, I had 370 something to the wheels at the time, but only put a car or two on him to 150 mph. Watch out!

??? a bolt on ls1 generally puts down 370 rwhp range?? and u beat him

[hutch1999]

??? a bolt on ls1 generally puts down 370 rwhp range?? and u beat him

a cammed bolt on car

[jimmybling31]

lol what do you have done to your 94 camaro to not be afraid of a newer m3?

just bolt ons. i really would only not be scared of like 99 or older. i actually ran an m3 today out on the highway to 120( 2002) and we were even almost the whole way. it was really close. it makes me want to finish my boltons and toss some roller rockers on mine.

[hutch1999]

just bolt ons. i really would only not be scared of like 99 or older. i actually ran an m3 today out on the highway to 120( 2002) and we were even almost the whole way. it was really close. it makes me want to finish my boltons and toss some roller rockers on mine.

a4 or m6?

[02blkws6]

M3= low 14 sec 1/4 to high 13 sec 1/4 with a decent driver. Just make sure you are a decent driver.

[jimmybling31]

a4 or m6?

a4 with stage 2 rebuild and a 2000 stall. I actually only finished the rebuild and stall last nite so i was still playing with it.

[Roastem]

??? a bolt on ls1 generally puts down 370 rwhp range?? and u beat him


??? What are you talking about???

I HAD 372 to wheels at the time, with a cam and bolt-ons. AND I ONLY put 1 or 2 car lengths on him. Without the cam I was around 330 rwhp.

Did I not word it correctly?

BTW, since it had nice wheels, no badges, and the type of guy who was driving, it prolly wasn't a stock M3, and it was the 2001-up model with 333 HP stock.

[tonyjnjz]

??? What are you talking about???

I HAD 372 to wheels at the time, with a cam and bolt-ons. AND I ONLY put 1 or 2 car lengths on him. Without the cam I was around 330 rwhp.

Did I not word it correctly?

BTW, since it had nice wheels, no badges, and the type of guy who was driving, it prolly wasn't a stock M3, and it was the 2001-up model with 333 HP stock.

theres many that claim 350's rwhp with JUST bolt ons......and u acted like the m3 would DESTROY them....would be an even race with 20 less horse

[99 Kobra]

hells yeah...best Idea ever... with the 3600lbs curb weight... and next to no Torque in Low RPMS... it'll be over before you reach 80mph...

The curb weight is 3,415.

[Rikki_SeVeN]

The curb weight is 3,415.

really?... oh well... I still haven't seen a near stock one that can keep up with my car...

I guess the heavy one will be the new one...

[Roastem]

theres many that claim 350's rwhp with JUST bolt ons......and u acted like the m3 would DESTROY them....would be an even race with 20 less horse

Listen I said I ran ONE that was prolly not stock, and it definitely would have beat me at 330 rwhp, not DESTROY. I never said destroy, but winning is winning by a mile or a meter.

[99 Kobra]

really?... oh well... I still haven't seen a near stock one that can keep up with my car...

I guess the heavy one will be the new one...

That's right, the 400 hp V8 M3 will weigh 3,600. Try racing the current M3 through corners and see what happens.

[Getzen_Guy]

Camaro vs The Ultimate Driving Machine

http://basicjuice.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/godzilla.jpghttp://www.grahamowen.com/images4/5-8-fire1.jpg


:lmao:

[99 Kobra]

Camaro vs M3

http://basicjuice.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/godzilla.jpghttp://www.grahamowen.com/images4/5-8-fire1.jpg


:lmao: :owned:

Whatever, that's not a M3.

[Roastem]

Actually, that looks like a late 90's 5-series.

[OnEbAdReDSS]

its a 5 series... oh well he should of said camaro vs. BMW

[Getzen_Guy]

its a 5 series... oh well he should of said camaro vs. BMW

i'm sorry guys... I'm lazy and you don't see that many m3's on google catching fire....


I'll fix it.

[e36m3]

theres many that claim 350's rwhp with JUST bolt ons......and u acted like the m3 would DESTROY them....would be an even race with 20 less horse


There's very little HP that can be had with bolt ons with respect to an s54 motor, Its pretty high strung from the factory. e46 m3 CSL produces 360HP
at the crank with modified intake and around 300 to 310 wrhp.

To get real power you must lower the compression and go forced induction.

Here is a vid of forced fed e46 m3 CSL. This is the one that set the Nurburgring record.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhSmDxAp-0&eurl=http://www.loaded.se/sd_page/25/1/index.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL7T9BD_Q3k

This is not ment to bragg about the M3, but that engine does sound pretty damn amazing.

[Roastem]

We get the point dude! :thumbup:

[ForceFed]

its a 5 series... oh well he should of said camaro vs. BMW

that is a 94+ 7 series, not a 5 series.

Here is a 5 series:
http://www.fahrcar.com/bmw-m5-e39-front.jpg
http://www.cecwheels.com/images/medialibrary/ACS-E39-FRONT-VIEW.jpg

[Roastem]

Yeah, that top one is an M5, 2000 model or so. Those cars still look good. It has a 400 horse DOHC V8, and I was highly tempted to get a used one, and put a nice exhaust on it. I bet with longtubes, no cats, and a couple Borla's that thing would sound sweet, like a DOHC cobra (non-supercharged versions). Plus, the interior is nice a fk. VERY tempting.

At least until I saw how MUCH the damn headers were, like 1700 bones! :faint:

And the rest of the exhaust was also super expensive.

[ForceFed]

Just save your money and get a 540I 6-spd and put the hunnie shot to it. :D
BMWs are expensive to mod though. If you're looking for speed on the cheap, I'd stick with the F-body.

[Roastem]

Yeah, but she is just about modded out, the canvas is complete, so to speak. I am getting up there in age and the F-bod is kind of 20-ish. Fun as hell, but rough around the edges.

Looking into getting a one of the last air-cooled Porsche 911's, around 1997 and previous.

[ForceFed]

We're not old yet. :D

So you're looking at 997s? Its a very nice car. What are you in the market for? A 2-dr sport coupe or a 4-dr sedan?

If you are considering sedans then you might want to consider the 540I 6-speed, M5 and Audi RS4. All 3 of those are comfortable, handle very well for their size and have a nice V8 engine. :D

Unfortunately, they are not cheap to mod but if you can afford the price of admission, they certainly are alot of fun.

Also that new G8 from Pontiac and the CTS-V is a hot ride.

My next car will either be a newer 540/545 with a VF engineering blower on it and a small shot of giggle juice or a CTS-V with H/C/I and a big shot. :D

[tonyjnjz]

There's very little HP that can be had with bolt ons with respect to an s54 motor, Its pretty high strung from the factory. e46 m3 CSL produces 360HP
at the crank with modified intake and around 300 to 310 wrhp.

To get real power you must lower the compression and go forced induction.

Here is a vid of forced fed e46 m3 CSL. This is the one that set the Nurburgring record.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhSmDxAp-0&eurl=http://www.loaded.se/sd_page/25/1/index.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL7T9BD_Q3k

This is not ment to bragg about the M3, but that engine does sound pretty damn amazing.

what does csl stand for??? is that a euro spec m3? us versions put out 333 hp i belive ..correct?

[e36m3]

what does csl stand for??? is that a euro spec m3? us versions put out 333 hp i belive ..correct?


Coupe Sport Lightweight. All e46 M's share the same engine, slightly different header design for the euro spec (additional 10 HP) CSL adds modified intake to push it to 360HP and its 400lb lighter with better everything. I really can't
imagine anyone squeezing more power out of that engine with bolt ons.

[tonyjnjz]

Coupe Sport Lightweight. All e46 M's share the same engine, slightly different header design for the euro spec (additional 10 HP) CSL adds modified intake to push it to 360HP and its 400lb lighter with better everything. I really can't
imagine anyone squeezing more power out of that engine with bolt ons.

have a link to the said mods/ hp/ 400 lb weight reduction??? im extremely curious as dinan dosnt have an intake that adds that kinda hp

[1998_trans_am_ls1]

idk man it would be a good race if its really got 383 hp

[e36m3]

have a link to the said mods/ hp/ 400 lb weight reduction??? im extremely curious as dinan dosnt have an intake that adds that kinda hp

Yeah, I knew Dinan had some kind of S1 or S2 package that produced 361HP.
It seem's Dinan and German engineers achieve the same result.

http://www.supercarsite.net/bmw/e46-m3-csl/2003.

[e36m3]

idk man it would be a good race if its really got 383 hp

It would be closer but I still think you would win. M is really not a drag car, having driven a 01 SS Camaro (stock) the SS feels faster, I guess because of the huge torque advantage. Although I never got to push it really hard like I have the e46.

[Roastem]

That damn car sounds good. Like it has a formula 1 engine in it or something.

Guys that get to drive that track on nice cars are lucky as fk.

I would love to take that M3 around there for about 10 laps. Or better yet, a C6Z06 with exhaust and a cam :love:

[tonyjnjz]

Yeah, I knew Dinan had some kind of S1 or S2 package that produced 361HP.
It seem's Dinan and German engineers achieve the same result.

http://www.supercarsite.net/bmw/e46-m3-csl/2003.

how did they lower the weight by 400 lbs?? thats very significant....car sounds sweet!!! and whats the cost i wonder? 80k? looks somwhat like the m3 competetion

[ForceFed]

how did they lower the weight by 400 lbs?? thats very significant....car sounds sweet!!! and whats the cost i wonder? 80k? looks somwhat like the m3 competetion

Options, Carbon Fiber roof, bits here and there... :D

[2000pontiac6]

I just looked it up and looks like 2002 m3's run 13.4 in the 1/4
www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

[e36m3]

how did they lower the weight by 400 lbs?? thats very significant....car sounds sweet!!! and whats the cost i wonder? 80k? looks somwhat like the m3 competetion

If im not mistaken, roof, hood & trunk lid are carbon fiber also, the seats are not typical either. CSL wheels (competition package for US) are lighter as well.

Im sure there are other items the general public dosen't know about. Unlike the Z06, SS camaro and others, the CSL M3 is not practical as a daily drive.
There is no A/C or radio and its my understanding it comes stock with slicks.

Just how good is that car? Its still faster around the ring than the new e92 M3. New M3 looks like crap. Not really sure about price,
I think 55k in euro dollars.

[Roastem]

If im not mistaken, roof, hood & trunk lid are carbon fiber also, the seats are not typical either. CSL wheels (competition package for US) are lighter as well.

Im sure there are other items the general public dosen't know about. Unlike the Z06, SS camaro and others, the CSL M3 is not practical as a daily drive.
There is no A/C or radio and its my understanding it comes stock with slicks.

Just how good is that car? Its still faster around the ring than the new e92 M3. New M3 looks like crap. Not really sure about price,
I think 55k in euro dollars.


I am PRETTY sure that the CSL M3 is more practical than my current DD, a gutted track ready Z28! No A/C, barely a radio, AND slicks. And they weren't slicks by design!

[bostonz28]

I raced a brand new m5 from a roll on the highway and he was at my rear bumper till 140-150 but I had to shut down. This thing MOVED with 4doors and looked heavy but their top end is crazy, i looked online after and they got 500hp but I think its from the crank Do the race from a dig or slow roll and you got him.

[Roastem]

They got some kind of switch that you hit that unlocks 500 HP, otherwise it piddles around at the 400 HP range. Those ratings are at the motor, but that M5 you are talking about has a V10!!! Bad to the bone. Bad to the wallet too.

You got some work done to that Z to put down moves like that.

[e36m3]

I am PRETTY sure that the CSL M3 is more practical than my current DD, a gutted track ready Z28! No A/C, barely a radio, AND slicks. And they weren't slicks by design!


LOL, you've got a point there. When is the release date for the 09 Camaro?
by all accounts it should be a monster (500HP). By the way, What kind of mods do you have?

[e36m3]

I raced a brand new m5 from a roll on the highway and he was at my rear bumper till 140-150 but I had to shut down. This thing MOVED with 4doors and looked heavy but their top end is crazy, i looked online after and they got 500hp but I think its from the crank Do the race from a dig or slow roll and you got him.

Had you not shut down, he would have eventually overtaken you. As difficult as it is to believe, that 4 door family sedan will run 200MPH+, seriously.

[Roastem]

200 plus! If you would have said 180-190, I would not have batted an eyelash. But the current C6Z06 will only go 198 top speed, and it is way lighter, with more power, and better aerodynamics.

Something is not adding up??? :thinkin:

[e36m3]

200 plus! If you would have said 180-190, I would not have batted an eyelash. But the current C6Z06 will only go 198 top speed, and it is way lighter, with more power, and better aerodynamics.

Something is not adding up??? :thinkin:

I always thought the Z06 was a 200MPH car. Obviously, you would never compare a C6Z06 to an M5. C6Z06 is a true super car and would destroy just about any production car on the highway today. M5, well how else can I say it. Its an honest to god 4 door family car and for me to say this car will do
200MPH+ sounds insane but.... V10 501HP 8250 redline, 7 speed smg. A large
bulk of that power is made around 8,000RPM. If I could only harness that kind of power in my e36M.

http://img43.imageshack.us/my.php?image=83evo73200mpclub421hj.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGyJX9JiVJg&feature=related

[tonyjnjz]

I always thought the Z06 was a 200MPH car. Obviously, you would never compare a C6Z06 to an M5. C6Z06 is a true super car and would destroy just about any production car on the highway today. M5, well how else can I say it. Its an honest to god 4 door family car and for me to say this car will do
200MPH+ sounds insane but.... V10 501HP 8250 redline, 7 speed smg. A large
bulk of that power is made around 8,000RPM. If I could only harness that kind of power in my e36M.

http://img43.imageshack.us/my.php?image=83evo73200mpclub421hj.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGyJX9JiVJg&feature=related

im not crazy about the way it looks...205mph though!!! crazy...the previous gen m3 and m5 are much better looking in my opinion

[e36m3]

im not crazy about the way it looks...205mph though!!! crazy...the previous gen m3 and m5 are much better looking in my opinion

I agree, the new generation body style (M5 & M3) looks like crap. Maybe Im just saying that because my M is nearly 10 years old and only 240HP.

[ForceFed]

The BMW V8s, V10s and V12s always had excellent top end.
My 540I has a 4.4L V8 DOHC that was rated at 282HP. Admittedly, when I mash the gas pedal there isn't much of anything going on until you hit about 80+mph. Then it seems like it doesn't stop pulling. Top speed is electronically limited to 155mph and my Bimmer hit that speed limiter like a red headed step child. Without the speed limiter and enough room, I have no doubt it would have hit ~165mph. Not bad for a car that was rated for 282HP :D

I have no problems believing the M5 is a 200MPH sedan :)

[Roastem]

Aerodynamics start playing a HUGE role above 150 mph. Think of it as an exponential curve. The faster you go, there more power that is needed to accelerate.

Are you guys SURE about that top end?

[ForceFed]

Are you guys SURE about that top end?

Quite.

You have to remember that BMW, Audi and M-B have the luxury of designing and testing their cars on the Autobahn.

These cars are designed for high speeds. For example, the rear suspension geometry on my 540I has aggresive camber, etc because the suspension is designed to "flatten out" at speeds above 80mph. Spending majority of your time below that speed in a 5-series car results in shockingly quick tire wear. I got just 19kmi out of the last set of tires on my 540I. :D

[e36m3]

I don't mean for this to sound like a comentary about BMW but one thing that
always stuck out was the fact that they were always able to extract large amounts of power out of such a small engine. I remember back in 92 when they released the e36m (euro) 3.0 liter six banger N/A, 286HP, ran 13's all day
long and top out at 162MHP, and if I remember it was a 5 speed.

Of course by todays standards thats no big deal but 16 years ago, that was nothing to sneeze at. I guess that would have been on par with the LT1 back
in thoes days, you guys can correct me if Im wrong.

[tonyjnjz]

I don't mean for this to sound like a comentary about BMW but one thing that
always stuck out was the fact that they were always able to extract large amounts of power out of such a small engine. I remember back in 92 when they released the e36m (euro) 3.0 liter six banger N/A, 286HP, ran 13's all day
long and top out at 162MHP, and if I remember it was a 5 speed.

Of course by todays standards thats no big deal but 16 years ago, that was nothing to sneeze at. I guess that would have been on par with the LT1 back
in thoes days, you guys can correct me if Im wrong.

yea sounds about right 93-95 lt1 fbodys made 275 hp i believe and it was 285 in 96,97 or was it 265 up to 275? lol whatever......came out in the vette in 92 though ....that IS a sick amt of hp out of an engine that size back then ...never heard of that m3...obviously never made it state side.....disappointing

[tonyjnjz]

oh yeah and curious....how come your on an ls1 board? did u used to own one?

[bostonz28]

They got some kind of switch that you hit that unlocks 500 HP, otherwise it piddles around at the 400 HP range. Those ratings are at the motor, but that M5 you are talking about has a V10!!! Bad to the bone. Bad to the wallet too.

You got some work done to that Z to put down moves like that.

Yea man I almost shit myself when I saw him right on my ass! Im used to seeing people fading away in my rearview when I stomp in it. But he would have deff got me in the long run. Cant complain power for the price though, Camaro=$5k>M5=$100K

[bostonz28]

Had you not shut down, he would have eventually overtaken you. As difficult as it is to believe, that 4 door family sedan will run 200MPH+, seriously.

Yea man he was pullin on me @145!!!Mercedes Benz& BMW are the only imports I would drive, excluding exotics. Gotta give it to BMW for a full family v10 thats crazy fast! But for that price Im with c6Z06:cheers::drivin:

[e36m3]

oh yeah and curious....how come your on an ls1 board? did u used to own one?

Never owned one but I have driven several. I can't say enough about the low end torque. After driving the M for quit a few years and getting behind the wheel of a 2001 Camaro SS, I was blown away!! I would love to drop that LS1motor in my e36M.

On some of the BMW forums you read how the e46 M3 killed a Camaro SS...well I can speak from personal experience ( I have driven both cars).

The SS is faster period, I dont care what any e46 owner says. I try to be as
Impartial as I can even though I drive an e36M.

By the way I need some advice, there are a couple of mustang GT's around my neighborhood 2005+ models 300HP that have tried to race me a few times.
Im bone stock 240HP, and I know the mustang is probably a mid 13 second car. On the straighs it would devour me on a winding road I would destroy it.

How much RWHP do I need to stay with one? my M only weighs 3175.

I really dislike mustang owners....alot!!

[bostonz28]

Since you got a beema i'd get them to do a roll and beat them on the top end. You might get them from a dig and hope they spin like hell but i dont know if they got mods or not. As far as mustang owners, some are alright and others are just dooches. But since rice has been around we kinda team up together around here to take the rice down.

[tonyjnjz]

Never owned one but I have driven several. I can't say enough about the low end torque. After driving the M for quit a few years and getting behind the wheel of a 2001 Camaro SS, I was blown away!! I would love to drop that LS1motor in my e36M.

On some of the BMW forums you read how the e46 M3 killed a Camaro SS...well I can speak from personal experience ( I have driven both cars).

The SS is faster period, I dont care what any e46 owner says. I try to be as
Impartial as I can even though I drive an e36M.

By the way I need some advice, there are a couple of mustang GT's around my neighborhood 2005+ models 300HP that have tried to race me a few times.
Im bone stock 240HP, and I know the mustang is probably a mid 13 second car. On the straighs it would devour me on a winding road I would destroy it.

How much RWHP do I need to stay with one? my M only weighs 3175.

I really dislike mustang owners....alot!!

believe they put down around 280 rwhp and there 3500lbs 10hp =100lbs aprox means u would need around 250 rwhp to run even with one drivers being equal....upgrade to an 01-06 m3 ........its been on my list of cars i love for a while......i just dont wanna pay to fix one if it had problems..lol

[e36m3]

believe they put down around 280 rwhp and there 3500lbs 10hp =100lbs aprox means u would need around 250 rwhp to run even with one drivers being equal....upgrade to an 01-06 m3 ........its been on my list of cars i love for a while......i just dont wanna pay to fix one if it had problems..lol

Wow, I guess I would need to be supercharged to run with one of thoes, E46 M is too expensive.

[ForceFed]

Wow, I guess I would need to be supercharged to run with one of thoes, E46 M is too expensive.

http://www.modernperformance.com/all/nitrous_x_compositebottle.jpg

:D

[Roastem]

believe they put down around 280 rwhp and there 3500lbs 10hp =100lbs aprox means u would need around 250 rwhp to run even with one drivers being equal....upgrade to an 01-06 m3 ........its been on my list of cars i love for a while......i just dont wanna pay to fix one if it had problems..lol

My feelings exactly. I was lusting after a 2001 Laguna Seca Blue M3 for a long time. That six just sounds a little funny, not to mention the dealer wanted my paid for 01 Cobra and 20 G's for the M3 with 55K on it, stock as all get out!

[e36m3]

My feelings exactly. I was lusting after a 2001 Laguna Seca Blue M3 for a long time. That six just sounds a little funny, not to mention the dealer wanted my paid for 01 Cobra and 20 G's for the M3 with 55K on it, stock as all get out!

Forget the e46M, its getting dated. If you've got the cash then the E92M will top the e46M in just about every catagory except looks. Here's the link:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/0208_RT_BMW_M3_datapanel.pdf

[e36m3]

Since you got a beema i'd get them to do a roll and beat them on the top end. You might get them from a dig and hope they spin like hell but i dont know if they got mods or not. As far as mustang owners, some are alright and others are just dooches. But since rice has been around we kinda team up together around here to take the rice down.

Bostonz28, as much as I appreciate the encouragement Im afraid that mustang
is simply a faster car form a dig or a roll. My only chance would be to lure him
on a road course, at that point well....death comes quickly.

[e36m3]

http://www.modernperformance.com/all/nitrous_x_compositebottle.jpg

:D

LOL:cheers:

Thats definitely an option!

[99 Kobra]

Bostonz28, as much as I appreciate the encouragement Im afraid that mustang
is simply a faster car form a dig or a roll. My only chance would be to lure him
on a road course, at that point well....death comes quickly.

Not necessarily. I instruct at BMW CCA driving schools. My '96, '99, and '04 Cobras, with suspension and brake mods, could/can beat or compete with E36M3s, however modified (street legal), on road racing tracks.

[e36m3]

Not necessarily. I instruct at BMW CCA driving schools. My '96, '99, and '04 Cobras, with suspension and brake mods, could/can beat or compete with E36M3s, however modified (street legal), on road racing tracks.

Of course, but Im referring to stock for stock. We don't really need to get into
a Mustang vs M3 debate on an LS1 forum, it would be disrespectful but I understand where your comming from.

[99 Kobra]

Of course, but Im referring to stock for stock. We don't really need to get into
a Mustang vs M3 debate on an LS1 forum, it would be disrespectful but I understand where your comming from.

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