First kill for the new car

[CaptainCaveMan]

I was on a long road trip last week and i'm just crusing down the interstate in my vette minding my own business jamming out to some rage against the machine when i see this SRT4 pull up next to me.

I wasn't going to race but he kind of jumped it a couple times and honked his horn. He waved that we both should go so i was like "ok".

I hadn't raced anyone in this car yet so i wasn't sure how i would fare. I've never raced an SRT4 before either and i was a little worried when you have a neon trying to race a vette that has a loud exhaust/monster tach/and a plate that says "ANIVNM". (It's still the old owners plate, i haven't got it tagged yet).

Anyways we go from about 70mph.....and i just start walking him.

I slow back down and he catches up and he yells out the window "What's it run?" I'm like "I don't know."

We then went again and he hung with me for about a 2 seconds and i just walked him again. I don't know what kind of work he had done, but my car isn't exactly a freeway monster so i'm thinking he was stock.

[third_shift|studios]

nice...those SRTurds are nothing to fear. Especially at 70mph! i rememebr testing one and it gave up at about 90 [stage 2 turbo too]

nice kill. It took me a year to get used to the batmobile, now i know what it's capable of and how to eat rice like a champ :headbang:

[KOMATOS3]

:bs:

[KOMATOS3]

:jk: good kill

[Bad97Cobra]

nice...those SRTurds are nothing to fear. Especially at 70mph! i rememebr testing one and it gave up at about 90 [stage 2 turbo too]

nice kill. It took me a year to get used to the batmobile, now i know what it's capable of and how to eat rice like a champ :headbang:

:haha: I know a few of those "turds" that will blow your doors off. Not all the SRT owners are noobs. I also know a guy that has an older dodge turbo car that runs in the 9s. Wasn't there some guy driving a turbo mini van that was running 10s floating around the internet?? Those turbo cars are no joke with the right guys who own them. :)

[Zboner]

but anymore it is whoever has the most money owns the fastest car am i right?

hell there a semi trucks that have jet engines on them now, its not like it was in 60's or 70's anymore it is just whoever has the deepest pockets...

im just saying why buy a srt4 that has 200-240hp for $25 grand when you can buy a ss/ws6 for $15 grand and put $10k into it and it would be a monster

thats just my .02 cents though

[Bad97Cobra]

im just saying why buy a srt4 that has 200-240hp for $25 grand when you can buy a ss/ws6 for $15 grand and put $10k into it and it would be a monster

thats just my .02 cents though

True about the deep pockets...its been that way for years.


With what you just said.... Why buy a ss/ws6 for 15k and put 10k into it when you can buy a $400 car and put $25k into the motor/trans/rearend/ and suspension? THAT would be a monster. :haha:

But seriously eveyone drives what they like and don't be a fool about turbo cars is all I'm saying because it doesn't take much to get them moving very fast.

Hell I never thought I'd see the day when 4 bangers are running in the 7s in the 1/4 mile... impressive and insane.

[Zboner]

but the sad thig is $25k is not that much money in a car these days. :mad:

[Zboner]

but the sad thing is $25k is not that much money in a car these days. :mad:

[TONY]

ya there is a big differance you aint going to drive a 9 or 10 sec 4 banger back and forth to work like a v8 car

[BatCar]

:haha: Good point Tony.......how much gas do you think that 4 banger burns in a mile.....like the saying goes......"there's no replacement for displacement" .....and there's no replacement for the sound of a V8 .....who wants to hear a bucket of bees....? :beer3:

[CaptainCaveMan]

like the saying goes......"there's no replacement for displacement"

The buick sitting in my driveway disagrees.

[BatCar]

Hey Captain.....My motor has alot more potential than yours.....generically speaking....If I do the same thing to my motor that you do to yours.....you will lose! Hence the saying above.... :haha:

[CaptainCaveMan]

Hey Captain.....My motor has alot more potential than yours.....generically speaking....If I do the same thing to my motor that you do to yours.....you will lose! Hence the saying above.... :haha:

Potential?

That doesn't mean squat. You either have it or you don't. I've whooped a few cars that had lots of "potential". The fact is they still got thier asses owned by something with 2 less pistons.

[BatCar]

You don't seem to read very well......if we have equal work done to our motors.... how old are you? ...stop being so ignorant! Do you have some inadequacy you're trying to make up for? :screwy:

[KOMATOS3]

He has a Z28 a low 12's capable of high mid 11's grand nat and a vette? you can honestly say what is he trying to make up for? your just mad he wont ejaculate in your ass.

You don't seem to read very well......if we have equal work done to our motors.... how old are you? ...stop being so ignorant! Do you have some inadequacy you're trying to make up for? :screwy:

[BatCar]

...you're showing your adolesence. ...by giving me the stats on his car, what are you trying to prove? there are LS1's that are in the 8's (possibly 7's by now). I still stand by my point...and anyone else in here with automotive knowledge will tell you the same. Maybe you should try reading slower...maybe it will sink in. :loser:

[CaptainCaveMan]

...you're showing your adolesence. ...by giving me the stats on his car, what are you trying to prove? there are LS1's that are in the 8's (possibly 7's by now). I still stand by my point...and anyone else in here with automotive knowledge will tell you the same. Maybe you should try reading slower...maybe it will sink in. :loser:

There have been turbo buicks in the 8's before the ls1 even came out. I'm willing to bet there are some in the 7's too.

Quit being a domestic ricer and accept you don't always need a v8 to win.

[2001 Ls1]

Shit theres 4 banger 2.0L (4g63) eclipse running 7.1 @ 195 on a factory block (no aftermarket motors for them). Whats the fastest aluminum block LS1?


Its more about engine strength these days then size, on one hand the smaller engines need more boost to make the same power levels of bigger motors. One the other hand the clueless like batcar don't understand that it not apples to apples. You can't say, well throw the same amount of boost you run on your Forced induction engine on my N/A engine and i'll beat you mod for mod because guess what, your aluminum motor CAN'T hold that much boost even with upgraded internals.

Heres an example to illustrate, my old eclipse (R.I.P) put down 475hp on the 100% stock engine sans cams (people have done 550whp+ on stock bottom ends). I constantly ran 25-29 psi (it was relatively small turbo) even on stock head gasket/headstuds and even saw 35 psi spike accidently a few times before upgrading studs. Drove the piss out of it no problems.

I also owned/still own my 2001. On one hand small amounts of boost would make great power.

But I never said, "well I'll throw 29psi on my LS1 and be faster mod for mod" because I knew I COULDN'T. Its not apples to apples because once I spent the money to make an LS1 be able to run 29psi I could be running 55psi and a 150shot in the eclipse. Plus I would reach physical limitations of the aluminum block earlier compared to a high reving iron block built for boost. Its just two very different ways of going fast. I'm not saying ones better then the other in a anyway, just don't give me that "mine has more potential" when it doesn't because it CAN"T physically reach the same level.

Hell, how does that street supra out of chicago get driven 5,000 miles a year, runs mid 8's and put down 1,600hp to the wheels on only a 3 liter w/ upgraded rods/pistons/wrist pins and stock block. So you're gonna tell me a 5.7 liter car would run almost twice as fast :) So does my moms 3.4 L oldsmobile have more potential?? its bigger. :think: Block strength buddy.

Its also why G/N's are so baddass, because they can hold the power.

[Demon_Speeding]

:Owned:

[CaptainCaveMan]

What's amazing to me is how much of the "rice" is on both sides of the fence.

Import ricer loses...."Oh yeah, well i get better gas miliage"

Domestic ricer loses....."Oh yeah, i got more potential"

A real car guy loses...."Damn, that thing just whooped my ass"

[Demon_Speeding]

:haha: :lmao:

[ss~zoso~ss]

link

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/787000-787999/787506_11.jpg


i think this sums it all up

[BatCar]

Name the last 4 banger or turbo 6 that has gone 4.5 seconds @330MPH :Owned: ......You lose the argument...nice try though!

[BatCar]

ya there is a big differance you aint going to drive a 9 or 10 sec 4 banger back and forth to work like a v8 car


:haha: Well I guess it all comes back to what I was originally agreeing with...until CaptainCaveMan twisted it into something that he tried to start an argument about.

Maybe you guys should read my original post......slower this time:
Good point Tony.......how much gas do you think that 4 banger burns in a mile.....like the saying goes......"there's no replacement for displacement" .....and there's no replacement for the sound of a V8 .....who wants to hear a bucket of bees....?

...has it sunk in yet!

[2001 Ls1]

^^^^^Buahahaha,,
Smell that? Thats the sweet stink of desperation.

[2001 Ls1]

"ya there is a big differance you aint going to drive a 9 or 10 sec 4 banger back and forth to work like a v8 car"

Well I guess it all comes back to what I was originally agreeing with...until CaptainCaveMan twisted it into something that he tried to start an argument about.

Maybe you guys should read my original post......slower this time:

Good point Tony.......how much gas do you think that 4 banger burns in a mile.....like the saying goes......"there's no replacement for displacement" .....and there's no replacement for the sound of a V8 .....who wants to hear a bucket of bees....?


...has it sunk in yet!


Yes, it has sunk in, your a confused individual.

Two things at work here:

#1. I understand that many people see a FWD 1900 pound honda shell running 9's at the ragged edge of reliability and think, "all 4 bangers must be like this" etc. There not.
Heres one of my favorite cars i've seen in person, runs 9's on radials (awd), actual DAILY (yes daily) driver including canadian winters, Not stripped, fagey, or otherwise gay honda shit. Not saying its better in anyway then a v8 car, just that it is there in the first place and looks/sounds no different then a 14 second dsm.

http://www.tappauto.com/project.cfm?ProjectID=1

#2. 98% of single digit 4 bangers are going to be turbo cars. Most of them have quite decent gas mileage. Why??, because they get the gas mileage of a 4 banger when off the boost. With big turbos, you're off the boost all the time when just cruising around. So I would get better gas mileage (30 hwy) running 11.9 compared to when I was stock because the stock turbo spools up so fast.

We are in agreement on one thing. v8's sound much better. :usa:


Name the last 4 banger or turbo 6 that has gone 4.5 seconds @330MPH ......You lose the argument...nice try though!

Okay John Force, i don't know about you but me and 99.9% of the gearheads on this planet:
-Go to dealership (private party etc)
-Buy car
-Make faster

Notice how I didn't include, "start profesional race team, get huge sponserships, build custom engines on the ragged edge not available to public that can last 6 seconds before teardown, put said engine in a plastic tube frame pod with elephant sized slicks that some might consider a "car", load your "car" on the trailor and head home until next week."
This means nothing to us since we can't access that level anyway.

Heres why the funnycar example is retarted. If I were to say: "if v8's are so good, why are the fastest rally cars 2.0L 4 bangers", Everyone would say, because thats what they HAVE TO BE numbnuts, its in the rulebooks.

So If you tell me the whole "funny cars are v8's, they run 4.5 seconds, why don't they use 4 and 6's etc" spiel I'm gonna say the same damn thing. THEY HAVE TO BE NUMBNUTS, its in the rulebooks.

Your example proves nothing, why don't we all just use v-12's. Hell if bigger is better they should just make a funny car w/ 32 cylinders and a turbo for each one.

ENGINE
Any internal-combustion, reciprocating, 90-degree V-8, automotive-type engine permitted. Single camshaft only; multi and/or overhead cam configuration prohibited. Maximum 500-cid, minimum 490-cid; maximum bore center spacing 4.900-inches; maximum two valves per cylinder. Dry Sump oil system permitted. Dry sump system must have tank mounted inside frame rails. Turbocharger prohibited. Engine must be equipped with an SFI Spec 7.1 lower engine ballistic/ restraint device. A positive method (flange, lip, etc.) must be attached to the intake manifold to block gasket(s), in the event engine crankcase/valley become over pressurized. The flang/lip must extend past the surface of the gasket and be contoured to closely fit the block and manifold surfaces to prevent the gasket from extruding.

Let me guess, Your also probaly one of those guys who say "If turbos are so good, why do top fuel/funnycars/etc use superchargers. :tired:

Heres a shovel, Keep digging

[BatCar]

Yes, it has sunk in, your a confused individual.

Two things at work here:

#1. I understand that many people see a FWD 1900 pound honda shell running 9's at the ragged edge of reliability and think, "all 4 bangers must be like this" etc. There not.
Heres one of my favorite cars i've seen in person, runs 9's on radials (awd), actual DAILY (yes daily) driver including canadian winters, Not stripped, fagey, or otherwise gay honda shit. Not saying its better in anyway then a v8 car, just that it is there in the first place and looks/sounds no different then a 14 second dsm.

http://www.tappauto.com/project.cfm?ProjectID=1

#2. 98% of single digit 4 bangers are going to be turbo cars. Most of them have quite decent gas mileage. Why??, because they get the gas mileage of a 4 banger when off the boost. With big turbos, you're off the boost all the time when just cruising around. So I would get better gas mileage (30 hwy) running 11.9 compared to when I was stock because the stock turbo spools up so fast.

We are in agreement on one thing. v8's sound much better. :usa:




Okay John Force, i don't know about you but me and 99.9% of the gearheads on this planet:
-Go to dealership (private party etc)
-Buy car
-Make faster

Notice how I didn't include, "start profesional race team, get huge sponserships, build custom engines on the ragged edge not available to public that can last 6 seconds before teardown, put said engine in a plastic tube frame pod with elephant sized slicks that some might consider a "car", load your "car" on the trailor and head home until next week."
This means nothing to us since we can't access that level anyway.

Heres why the funnycar example is retarted. If I were to say: "if v8's are so good, why are the fastest rally cars 2.0L 4 bangers", Everyone would say, because thats what they HAVE TO BE numbnuts, its in the rulebooks.

So If you tell me the whole "funny cars are v8's, they run 4.5 seconds, why don't they use 4 and 6's etc" spiel I'm gonna say the same damn thing. THEY HAVE TO BE NUMBNUTS, its in the rulebooks.

Your example proves nothing, why don't we all just use v-12's. Hell if bigger is better they should just make a funny car w/ 32 cylinders and a turbo for each one.



Let me guess, Your also probaly one of those guys who say "If turbos are so good, why do top fuel/funnycars/etc use superchargers. :tired:

Heres a shovel, Keep digging

Hahahaaa! You think that car sounds like a 14 second dsm...you better get your ears checked....show me proof of the gas mileage he gets... :lmao:


First off, you didn't answer my question....Let me help you out....None! :naughtywa There is nothing stopping anyone from trying to go as fast as they can (or produce as much horsepower as they can) with whatever setup they have....so long as their chasis passes the regs for the track or you don't have to go to a regulation track...where there's a will there's a way. By the way, there is another organization known as IHRA....ooh but they have regs too, so they don't count. :denied:

Second.....There are Top Fuel regulations for a reason. I take it you know how combustible Nitro-methane is...and you know how a turbo works.....So Numbnuts, why would you want to help your motor to self destruct by dumping a fiery ball into your intake. :hifinger:

They also use rearwheel drive for a reason...jackass! :think:

[Sarge]

:tv: :givesaf: :nana: :Padlock: