WS6 Formula V8 Z34 Lumina Re-body [Archive] - LS1 Performance Information

Z34LS1

12-11-2007, 02:45 PM

Greetings All, my first Post here was not an Introduction. I Apologize for the bad Forum Form. My name is Joe, I'm 42 have 4 wonderful kids 2 of which are grown and gone. The other two are in High School. I'm Divorced, have a Wonderful GF, and overall pretty good Life. I'm a member of MetalMeet.com but I'm not here to plug them. I sell my own line of Metal Shaping Tooling; english wheels, Planishing Hammers, Hand Tools, Dies and you name it, But I'm not here to try to Sell Anything. Cars I currently own are:
2 Beretta Z26's both '95's
1992 Dale Earnhardt Limited Edition 5 Speed Z34
1995 Z28 Modified with a Warbird Hood, 2002 Doghouse, and Custom Paint
1966 Chevy II 383 stroker, 4 Speed Muncie, overall decent ride
2004 Avalanche (5.3 V8(327) that looks an Awful lot like an LS1)

and My Donor Car:
1998 WS6 Formula GTA (Salvage Title Car)

I'm here because of the Car I'm Building and because of the Wealth of Information on LS1 Engines, and Cars.
This is a Long Thread that I started on MetalMeet, but I want to here from Guys who Actually own LS1's and be able to Learn as well.

11-24-2007, 08:57 PM
Z34 WS6 Build ~~BODY REMOVAL~~
Yesterday my son and I started the Body Removal on the 1992 Chevy Lumina Z34, today we completed the front half. The reason for the Build? Who knows, but it's what tripped my trigger. I've owned the Z34 since it was 1 year old, and I've always thought it was underpowered. After doing lots of research on V8 conversions to the Lumina I felt there was nothing to be offered. A Cadilac small V8 is the only thing that would bolt to the Factory Bolt pattern on the Bell Housing, but that still would leave you with a FWD vehicle. A few months ago a Buddy of mine bought a Salvage title WS6 Trans Am. The Quarters were Flat, the front fenders were shattered, but the nose and Rear were very nice. My Buddy bought the car for parts, mainly to repair his 1999 WS6 T/A from Deer Damage. After he took all the parts he needed we worked a good deal on what was left. That's where this build became a thought.

Problems.....
1) I'm not Qualified but I'm willing to learn what's needed to complete the Job.
2) Space is limited to my two car Garage.
3) Wheel Bases don't match
4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and probably a bunch more will come up along the way....

First I stripped the Lumina of all Interior, Dog House, Doors, Deck Lid, Front and side Glass, Fuel Tank and Lines, wiring, and all Foam and Insulation packed in where cuts were to be made, next pushed it into the Garage.

So Here is the Car I started with:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-009S3.JPG

Here is the Trans Am after I removed a bunch of stuff:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/0921071306a.jpg

Here is the Trans Am Chassis:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-020S1.JPG

On to the Body Removal.....

Here we started by Cutting the Front Cage loose from the Strut Towers:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-001Sp.JPG

Next we Cut the Inner Fenders loose from the Firewall:
(Saws-Alls' are Great for har to reach spots, and straight sheetmetal cuts)
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-007Sp.JPG

Next we cut the Top of the Firewall just below the Lower windshield Seat:
(Picture was taken after we started lifting the Body)
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-006Sp.JPG

Next we cut the Inside of the car just below the windshield:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-004Sp.JPG

Next we cut the Front Passenger Frame Rail:
(we took more than we needed for trimming later)
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-010Sp.JPG

Next we cut the Front Drivers Frame Rail:
(we took more than we needed for trimming later)
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-011Sp.JPG

Next we cut the Strut Tower Loose on the Passenger side:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-012Sp.JPG

Oops forgot to mention the Interior Bracing. This Shot Shows the Braces offset because we were lifting the Body. The Two Upper Braces were sitting in the Rear Windows. I Machined three Spacers all 6.400 long from big chunks of Aluminum. I Clamped the Spacers Between the 1 Inch Angle Iron, next my son welded them to the Body. We removed the Clamps and the Spacers, my hope is that theses flat surfaces will Aid me when Reassembling the Body.

This Picture shows the Cuts through the Roof and Quarters, what I don't show is the cuts down through the Foorboards next to the Doors:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-013Sp.JPG

Like the Curtains hanging from my Garage Doors? My Doors are my weak point, but I can live with them after rebuilding and Insulating the rest of the Gargage.
Here is my High Tech Rigging System:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-015Sp.JPG

We did a pretty good job keeping in mind the Body was going straight Up in the Air but there's always that one spot that jumps up and bites you. Here's my son firing up the Henrob to take a small area out that was keeping us from removing the Body:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-018Sp.JPG

And here it is up in the Rafters:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-019Sp.JPG

Tomorrow we cut the Back of the car off, then Monday the Junkyard can come take the Chassis from the Lumina.

Z34LS1

12-11-2007, 02:47 PM

11-25-2007, 04:14 PM
Rear Clip Removal
Day two of body removal takes us to the rear clip.
First cuts were made inside the drivers side rear floorboard, then through the frame rail, next up and around the outer wheel well, then cut the spare tire out:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-021S1.JPG
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-022S3.JPG

Then up and over the passenger side wheel well, then frame rail, then the rear passenger floor board:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-023S2.JPG

Next was easy, we lifted it off what was left of the Lumina Body:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-027S1.JPG

Sad left overs:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-029S.JPG

http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-034S1.JPG

Ready for the Scrap yard.
Sometime this week I hope to start Prepping the Lumina Body to fit the WS6 Chassis.

Z34LS1

12-11-2007, 02:48 PM

12-02-2007, 06:54 PM
Weekend Update
I can't wait to take it for a spin, the old rear hatch with glass weighs more than the back half of the Lumina. I was wondering were do you draw the line at weight? Over the weekend I moved the chassis from one side of the garage to the other. As I moved the chassis outside into the ¼" of Ice we had the traction control system kept clicking on and off. This can be disabled by a switch if you want to get crazyhttp://www.metalmeet.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif . Since the Back won't have much weight maybe some should be added? Traction seems like it will be a problem as well, I'm not saying this will be a super hot rod but maybe something should be added there as well?

Here is the Lumina Front half hanging above the Trans Am Chassis:
We've already cut a lot of the Chassis away, the Camera somehow ruined a disk so I lost all the shots removing the Drivers Side "not needed" parts. I really wanted this documented so when I do the passenger side I'll make sure to use two cameras:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-006S1.JPG

Here is the Front Inner wheel well after we removed the outer panels:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-002S1.JPG

In this picture you can see some Blue material left from the rocker panels(not yet removed). The top of the floor pans from one car to the other are within an 1/8th of an Inch. I want the Lumina to sit slightly lower than it did before so we will be using both top edges as alignment points. The 1/16th gap per side will be taken up with Clamps rather than filler material. On the Bottom side of the rocker panel there will be 1½" gap per side, the gap is consistant from front to rear. A simple hammerform panel over a Modern Day 2x4 will be how I make the piece.
The Opening I had to cut into the side of the car will be filled be a piece of 12 gage. After that panel is on and welded to the Chassis I will have two basically Flat Surfaces on both the Trans Am Chassis and the Lumina Body. Next weekend we'll be removing the passenger side Extra Panels, and welding on the 12 gage panels. Hopefully we can do a test fit with the two:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-001S4.JPG

Z34LS1

12-11-2007, 02:53 PM

12-11-2007, 08:44 AM
Test Fitting the Body to the Chassis Formula Z34
Playtimes over, Back to work!
Last Saturday we started by Measuring points that are determined by the Lumina Body. After Measuring we had many more areas to cut and Grind on so we got busy, The bottom of the Windshield needed lots of trimming and Grinding:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-069S.JPG

After a Couple Failed Attempt at sitting the Body down we tried for the third time:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-067S.JPG

After moving the Body forward and Back a few times to center it over the Front Wheels we turned the tires side to side checking Clearance:
(that's ice on the Fender, we had a nice little Ice Storm Saturday)
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-070S.JPG

Man what an accomplishment, 4 weekends into the Build and the Body is tacked to the Chassis at the front:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-073S.JPG

I did run into another Snag, I have No windshield wipers, or motor.
The Lumina Motor and Assembly would not fit thanks to the LS1 taking most of the Engine Bay. The Trans Am wipers, and motor won't work because the Arm Mounts come through the Lumina Body where the Windshield sits.
Universal Aftermarket Motor and Wipers will be used.
__________________

So this is where I'm at as of 12-11-07
Next Post will be welding the Rear Clip back on after removing 6.4 Inches from the Wheelbase. After the Body is welded back together then we will start welding the Body to the WS6 Chassis.

Thoughts? Criticism? All are welcome I can take it.
Thanks for spending the time checking out my Build.

Joe Andrews

SexOnWheels

12-11-2007, 03:23 PM

Wow Joe that is the first time I have seen a project quite like that.

One thing is for sure that the Z34 will not be underpowered anymore!

Welcome to LS1.com!

:newbie:

Jays00ss

12-11-2007, 04:30 PM

Wow quite the project. Good luck and great pics. Keep us informed!! Like the Z also.

badazta

12-11-2007, 04:44 PM

nice. I'm thinking of putting my 95 camaro body on a 4 wheel drive chassis.

shady milkman

12-11-2007, 04:48 PM

welcome...cant wait for you to share this knowledge with the board.

Z34LS1

12-12-2007, 09:38 AM

Thanks for the nice comments Replies, and the Welcome.
Kinda Surprised me no one said what a waste of a LS1!

I was wondering if there is a Forum here that I may continue this thread in? I searched the Forums for a "Build" one but had no luck. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of guys that would like to have something like that? Kinda like the Car Specific Forums? Maybe have a "Non Original LS1 Vehicles" Forum?
Just a thought.

Joe

FlyinZ28

12-13-2007, 12:06 PM

theres really no such waste of an LS1....i think that you're bring it new life, because now it will be used instead of just sent to the crusher....that would be a waste :wave:

Z34LS1

12-13-2007, 04:53 PM

Thanks FlyinZ28.
http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/images/statusicon/post_new.gif 12-13-2007, 07:49 PM
http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif Update
Thanks for the Replies!

Well it's the middle of the week, and I had a few hours on my hands(free of gf and kids) so I went out to my garages to try a Spot Weld Cutter that I just got. Now I got a 3/8's which is probably a bit larger than what I needed but the Trans Am Chassis's Body had some HUGE welds.

This is a Great Tool! This is a n ABSOLUTE MUST HAVE.
I needed this before I started, I Bet I spent $75.00 on Metal Blades for a SawsAll. This Tool was $10.00 with Shipping! It Cut about 50 Holes(no Kidding) and Still looks like Brand New other than the Black Coating in the Cabide Bit that's shiny now, and it's double Ended.
Item # 180193919455 on E-Bay (NO AFFILIATION)
http://www.performancemetalshaping.citymax.com/i//new_body_tools_013.jpg

The Pictures Below are of the Drivers Inner Wheel Hub, The Tool above was to remove the Outter Half of the Wheel Well. When I Split the Same pieces on the back of the Lumina Body I have a Difference of 15/16's with the Lumina Being more narrow. The Wheel Hubs have Similar Shapes, and naturally are located in the Same Place. Another Problem that has Crept up is the Fill Tube for the Trans Am Gas Tank is also about an Inch to Long. I am very open to Ideas Guys! I realize more Pictures of the Lumina Flanges would help But I've not Separated them yet. One things for Sure that Spot Weld Cutter is going to get a work out.

http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/1213071829.jpg

http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/1213071830.jpg

I was Planniing on Folding the Trans Am Flanges in to the correct Dimension after removing the Extra Material.
Saturday I'll be fitting the rear to the Front, and Hopefully Sunday start Welding the Body back together.

Benner

12-13-2007, 05:34 PM

First off, Welcome to LS1.com. Looks like you've done some really nice work so far. One question though. Are you going to have to extend or widen the new body, and if so how far.

Keep up the good work and keep us posted.

predator

12-13-2007, 05:51 PM

subscibed... dude this is awesome...

i have actually wanted to do a RWD conversion on my monte carlo since the day i got it, but never actually thought i would see something liek this...

-me

Z34LS1

12-14-2007, 11:45 AM

Thanks for the Replies,

Benners there are quite a few Mods to both Car to make this work. Many of which I'm finding along the way. The Biggest difference is the Wheelbase on the Lumina is 6.4 Inches Longer than the WS6. That is why I cut the Car in Half. Before Cutting it I painted Stripes the 6.4 Inches Apart. I cut through the Center and removed the Excess(6.4) after the car was off the Chassis. Floor pans are within 1/16 of each other. The front Fender Wells and the rear Fender Wells are where most changes are being made. The Trans Am is almost 2½" wider so the Flanges on the Inner Wheel Wells were cut Off and 1 1/8th on each Side, they will be put back on once the Body is welded back together.
This car will be a 2 seater when complete, it will have Trans Am Interior, Dash(and all the goodies like A/C, Cruise, Monsoon Stereo), Leather Seat, and Console. The Door Panels will be Z34 Lumina, and the windows will be tinted very dark.
Benners what is the name of the Blue Color Paint that your car is? I have not pulled the code but the WS6 I have looked Identical to yours. That shade of Blue in the Bright Sun is really very nice. So far that is the Color I think I'm going to go with, plus it keeps me from having to paint a lot more stuff.

Benner

12-14-2007, 12:30 PM

It's Navy Blue Metallic I believe, and I completely agree. I love the color when the sun hits it just right. That color should look pretty good on the lumina.

superchargedblackgto

12-14-2007, 02:14 PM

Very Impressive, can't wait to see how it comes out, Welcome tothe site, I would probably say it could be posted in Members Rides area, but IDK, I'll ask a few Mods and see what they think.....If there is anything "we" can help you with just ask.
Good luck
Brad

Z34LS1

12-17-2007, 10:42 AM

This past Saturday my son and I started in on the Rear of the Car. After removing Frame, wheel hubs, rear floor pan, and a bunch more stuff we laid the Rear clip on the Chassis:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-130S.JPG

After trying to Align the Roof and the Quarters I found that the two were not going to go together as planned. I chose to go with the Roof top for Alignment.
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-137S.JPG

The Quarters were off by almost 7/16'ths on their height.
Here are the clamps I got from Kerry in place. To get the best possible Gap we got the two side as close as possible with some spots touching. Next I took a 1/32 wide cut off wheel to the Gap, then one by one moved the clamps to the spots I already ran the cut off wheel through. Next cleaned those spots, then notched out a slightly bigger opening for each clamp. Last we Pushed the two panels together with the Clamps in position where the notches were. This worked really great and let us Fuse a lot of metal together without filler.
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-140S.JPG

My Son did a really nice Job welding the Panels.
Here is an Example:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-141S.JPG

Afterwards we pulled the Clamps and used filler rod in those areas.
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-146S.JPG

(Sorry Should have rotated that one)

On to the Drivers side....
I did not take pictures of the Frame being welded back together, nothing fancy or different to show there. We Mig Welded the Frame.
In this Shot you can see the Side had to be cut again to align everything, I was not happy at this point. Everything ended up working out pretty good though. The top right section of the cut had to be heated up first. After getting it Hot we were able to align the window frame. After getting the window frame in place I altered the cut out panel to fit back in. I still have some rust areas to patch yet at the Bottom But, here are the Clamps holding it in place.
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-149S.JPG

And here is the Quarter after Weld:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-154S.JPG

This Weekend we do the other Quarter and start putting flanges on the Wheel Hubs.
Thanks for your time.

dont

12-17-2007, 03:00 PM

look like a lot of work.........

predator

12-17-2007, 03:44 PM

so you basically took 6" out of the rear window?

and y did you shrink the lumina instead of streatching the t/a?

-me

Z34LS1

12-17-2007, 04:57 PM

Exactly. Since the side windows are Tempered Glass they can not be cut. So Lexan sheet will be used to form new ones.
Shrinking the Lumina was the way to go.
The WS6 Chassis is 160 mph Chassis right from the factory. GM says this Chassis is not only capable but safe at 160 mph, that's good enough for me.
Lot's of Guys want to build their own Chassis or alter one by either stretching or shrinking it, then stick a Hot Rod Body on it then they go through the testing phase of trying their Suspension Systems out. Why? GM took it's time designing these F Body Chassis, they not only can handle High Speeds they Handle like a MOFO!

I've owned F-Bodies since the late 70's, Mustang GT's in the 80's & 90's, and 2 Buick Grand Nationals for the Strip(notice the plural "s's behind these cars"). This Last Gen F-Body Chassis is ready to go, so I take this car into a Corner it's gonna handle, and I know that when I need a suspension component I can walk into most any auto parts store and get it off the shelf.
Joe

red99ws6

12-18-2007, 02:54 PM

very impressed. i think alot more people would do this sort of thing if they were brave enough to try. the only other project like this that i can think of is a late model cavalier that was converted to rear wheel drive with an ls1. it wasnt on an f-body chassis like yours though. they kept the j-body and swapped the drivetrain. not as simple as just a swap but you get the idea

Nestromo

12-22-2007, 05:27 AM

So what is on the title? Is it going to be a Lumina or a Firebird? I bet you could go either way with it. Oh, and we are going to need an update on this, buddy. Don't be slackin on the pictures.

Z34LS1

12-22-2007, 08:48 PM

Hey Nestromo I never Slack on Pictures...lol
The Car will be titled as a Z34 Lumina(Cheaper on Insurance Plus the WS6 was a Salvage Title). My Son and I were kinda wondering what we were gonna call it. I mean it's not a Z34 because it lost it's 3.4 ltr. Does that make it a Z57 now? Or is it a WS6 Lumina? Anyone got a good Idea? The WS6 Title said it was a Formula GTA, we're thinking Formula Z34???

O.K....... Here is the Update!

Time for an Update:

The day started with cutting out the rusted lower section of the rear drivers Quarter and putting a Patch in it's place:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-159S.JPG

Here is the Patch welded into place, the black water lines are from running the Shrinking disk and quenching the top section of the Quarter:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-160S.JPG

Next it was on to the Rippled Roof:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-162S.JPG

Around the roof Supports the Sheet Metal really raised. These areas had to be knocked down. I used the Dutch Slapper, and supported the Roof from the underside with a simple support:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-163S.JPG

SUPPORT:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-166S.JPG

http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-167S.JPG

I'm not proud of the Warpage to the Roof but after learning so much here and at the different Metal Meets over the past 5 years I wasn't Intimidated:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-164S.JPG

Here is the same Profile two pictures above after knocking the High Spots down and running the Shrinking disk for about an hour. An Hour is not very long, the results are fast but there is a lot of start and stop so time passes quickly:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-168S.JPG

Here is another shot from a different angle. Here you'll notice a lot of the affected area that was wavy before is now gone. Bad thing is I have a few areas that were to thin and need to be touched back up:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-170S.JPG

A Couple more shots:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-171S.JPG

http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-172S.JPG

http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-174S.JPG

There is a lot more Shrinking to do as well as some patch work on a couple of seems that split, but the results are Very Satisfying. We Started Tacking the Passenger Side Quarter in Place Next BUT ran out of 02.
Here is the butt clamps holding it in place after a few Tacks:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-173S.JPG

I think that's it for a Few Days, Christmas is coming! I Hope you all Enjoy the Holidays.
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predator

12-22-2007, 09:07 PM

lumina z57... definately...

-me

Nestromo

12-23-2007, 12:48 AM

lumina z57... definately...

-me

Agreed.

35thAnniZ28

12-23-2007, 01:25 AM

wow

Z34LS1

12-29-2007, 02:33 PM

Z57 was my first thought as well. We'll have to wait and see.
Here is an Update:

Had the Drivers Door on this morning, got some mods to do to the Inside Door Panel to fit, But the Door Opened and Closed perfectly. I ran the shrinking disk for about 5 hours on the Drivers Quarter, my hands are still torqueing to the right. I was pleased with my results, but there were still a few spots I could not get to come flush. The bodyline down the center of the panel gave me fits, I think it will require a tad bit of grinding and filler to set it just right. I got a few pictures, one shows the Semi Completed Quarter(at least as far as I'm concernedhttp://www.metalmeet.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif ), the other shows the side ground effects. Note the 6.4 Inches I took from the car now needs to come from the ground effects.
Short Post tonight, Tony Stewarts racing Outlaws in Fort Wayne, at the Colisium tonight.
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-202S.JPG

http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-201S.JPG

http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-200S.JPG

http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-199S.JPG

Anyone got some suggestions on the Ground Effects? There Flexible, Urethane?
Thanks for any Any Help, Happy New Year!
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Joe Andrews http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics//icon/iconStoresNW_20x20.gif (http://stores.ebay.com/id=13724410?ssPageName=ME:F:ST)

casperss

12-31-2007, 03:23 PM

OMG thats awsome.

predator

01-01-2008, 07:29 AM

still wondering what your gonna do with that window...

thats what im really curious about...

-me

pinky93

01-01-2008, 08:23 AM

This is cool as hell!! Talk about a sleeper..... people who KNOW cars are going to do serious double takes at the stop lights!!:naughty:

Great job and thanks so much for sharing your progress, I will be a loyal reader of this thread moving forward!!

Z34LS1

01-01-2008, 06:38 PM

Hi Guys and Thanks for the Great Replies!

predatorstill wondering what your gonna do with that window...

thats what im really curious about...

O.K. this is how you make a Custom Window:

Lexan Sheet can be purchased from a number of sources but "Alro" is a local supplier and one of the Biggest so I'm going with them. Lexan is available in many thicknesses, 3/16ths is what I need. It can be purchased with a protective Sheeting as well. I bought two Rear windows from another 2 Door Lumina, next I have to remove the Seals with a Box Cutter Style Knife. The Lexan is easily cut with a Band Saw, or a jig saw with a fine tooth blade if your careful.
The new Lexan Window needs to be slightly larger than the Glass panel. Next the Clean Glass panel goes into an oven at 375 degrees, Bahe for 15 to 20 minutes(checking along the way). The Lexan will actually start to melt(soften), as it does this it conforms to the Original Glass Windows "Form". After the Lexan Forms the new shape turn off the Oven and let cool Slowly. Once Cooled the edges need to be belt sanded to fit Window Seal that has been cut to fit the smaller window pocket in the Seal.

I learned all of this through the www.metalmeet.com (http://www.metalmeet.com) site, that site is Full of Guys that do Custom Work. It's a Great community, very similar to this one.

cdz28

01-01-2008, 09:30 PM

WOW!!!! Keep posting the pics. I'm really interested to see how this ends up.

Nestromo

01-01-2008, 11:25 PM

Cool. I was wondering about the window too.

qwk93ta

01-02-2008, 03:45 AM

Very nice, I want more pictures!!!

predator

01-02-2008, 05:24 AM

cool... will everything with the door windo and the rear window line up properly and look right since youve done all the trimming?

-me

Nestromo

01-02-2008, 06:03 AM

Are you going to put this thing on the scales when you are done? I'm really curious about what it is going to weigh.

TransAm11973

01-02-2008, 07:39 AM

predator

01-02-2008, 10:08 AM

y not is a more appropriate question

-me

Nestromo

01-02-2008, 02:45 PM

i just dont get it? why not just sell the lumina and buy another f-body. Just seems to be a waste of time to me. Dont get me wrong, I totally respect your abilities to do what your doing, but I just dont get why a lumina or why do this at all?

Well, some people just never get it. Don't feel bad. Why don't you post up an ad that says "1992 Z34 Lumina Want to trade for LS1 F-Body". Bet you will get a lot of responses that look like this==> :rotfl:

TransAm11973

01-02-2008, 03:03 PM

i say rip off that lumina body and at least get a custom hot rod body on there. an old chevy or something, wouldnt that be cool. You could make that thinkg custom, you got the skills

qwk93ta

01-02-2008, 03:16 PM

y not is a more appropriate question

-me

Yep, I agree.....this is a cool project.

Z34LS1

01-03-2008, 04:06 AM

TransAm11973 (http://www.ls1.com/forums/member.php?u=46006)
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i just dont get it? why not just sell the lumina and buy another f-body. Just seems to be a waste of time to me. Dont get me wrong, I totally respect your abilities to do what your doing, but I just dont get why a lumina or why do this at all?

Greetings ?

I respect everyones opinions, I don't agree with them but nevertheless respect them. If you seen my other F body in the Drive way you know I already got one. The Lumina I've owned since it was a 1 year old. I always like the Styling of the Car but the Drivetrain was weak. The WS6 was a Salvage Title, is your car a Salvage Car? I doubt it, most people would not Drive a Salvage Car, Most Insurance Companies don't like them, Resale Values are Poor at Best, and Lastly there are Tons of T/A's and Z28's out there. My Lumina has a Clean CarFax title, not that I want to Sell it but the Car is Clean. Growing Up my Dad told me countless stories of "Sleepers", Sleepers get a Lot of Attention at Car Shows. They get even more attention after Dusting someones Doors. Do You want to be the Guy that gets beat by a Lumina? Neither do I, There are countless stories of Fast F bodies, ever ran a Bad Ass W-Body? I guess I have no other reasons, that's why in a nutshell.

New Decal being Designed by a Lady in MI:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/Z57.gif

Nestromo

01-03-2008, 05:34 AM

I sure as hell don't want to get beat by a Lumina. But if I was, I'd be all thumbs up and grinns about it.

third_shift|studios

01-03-2008, 06:29 AM

New Decal being Designed by a Lady in MI:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/Z57.gif

Screw that, brother. A lot of work like that diserves a good looking emblem. Let me know when you want to make a classy looking, one-off badge.

www.thirdshiftstudios.com/car-emblems

02ultraZ

01-03-2008, 09:08 AM

Wow man great project! I love the look of the luminas of those years too. It would be badass to whip some donuts in that car, or enter it into a burnout competition. Watch everyone laugh as you pull up, then melt the freakin tires off! Depending on the quality of your build this has magazine potential!

BTW great job on that quarter panel looks great in the pics. Can't wait to see the rest of the build and the finished project. :thumbup:

Z34LS1

01-03-2008, 09:44 AM

third_shift|studios (http://www.ls1.com/forums/member.php?u=566) I will give you a call.

Wow man great project! I love the look of the luminas of those years too. It would be badass to whip some donuts in that car, or enter it into a burnout competition. Watch everyone laugh as you pull up, then melt the freakin tires off! Depending on the quality of your build this has magazine potential!

Man are you in my Brain? Magazine potential? I highly doubt it...lol

This is a Budget Build at best, the Car will mprobably never be worth what it takes to make it, (that's not including my time). This is just so I can say I did it, and it works. I hope to get lots of enjoyment from this car, making peoples heads turn has always been easy for me in my Z28, now it's the Lumina's turn.

02ultraZ

01-03-2008, 09:59 AM

[B]

Man are you in my Brain? Magazine potential? I highly doubt it...lol

This is a Budget Build at best, the Car will mprobably never be worth what it takes to make it, (that's not including my time). This is just so I can say I did it, and it works. I hope to get lots of enjoyment from this car, making peoples heads turn has always been easy for me in my Z28, now it's the Lumina's turn.

Haha, i'm actually looking for a lumina like that for a dd cuz i like them so much.

Too bad you couldn't get a sponsor or something to help you put a sweet interior and paint job on that. It's different and i think it will get a lot of attention from lsx owners and lumina owners....

predator

01-03-2008, 11:11 AM

look at how much attention the Civette is getting... and im much more impressed with this lil bad boy that i am that thing...

-me

Nestromo

01-03-2008, 09:37 PM

I would like to see a Lumina as the LS1.com car of the month. :D

Z34LS1

01-04-2008, 05:12 AM

Hey Nestromo it would have to be a Really nice one to achieve a Spot here. Third Shift Studios car is Awesome, as is Jezzebel, I'm not even close to those cars and I doubt a Lumina would be featured here unless it was sporting a RWD and potent V8 up front. The responses above have really got me thinking about my Interior, Do I want it Finished, or should I go with a Cage and Sheet metal? Decisions Decisions....Luckily I got a few months till I get to that point.

02ultraZ

01-04-2008, 05:40 AM

Z34LS1

01-04-2008, 09:49 AM

Wait now i am confused...R u saying the car is not going to be rear wheel drive? And i thought you were putting an LS1 into it

No your not Confused at all. Remember I did not have to put it in, I never took it out. I was merely saying that the only way I think a Lumina could win COM is if it had a V8 and RWD. This sites dedicated to LSx's, so I would think that would be a requirement of the Winner. I don't think my car will be worthy of being a COM. COM cars set the stage. My car won't have that high end paint job or killer Interior, it's just gonna be a sleeper.

GULLETT17

01-04-2008, 10:11 AM

this is cool as hell. . . unique and awesome project. I think you should finish out the interior and everything. . . nothin too crazy, just clean lookin. and maybe put it back absolutely original as possible on the outside for your sleeper look (and since the car means so much to you). i know you say its a budget build, but, with time and a lot of seachin for good deals, a budget build can still look bad ass, especially since your a do-it-yourselfer.

02ultraZ

01-04-2008, 12:03 PM

No your not Confused at all. Remember I did not have to put it in, I never took it out. I was merely saying that the only way I think a Lumina could win COM is if it had a V8 and RWD. This sites dedicated to LSx's, so I would think that would be a requirement of the Winner. I don't think my car will be worthy of being a COM. COM cars set the stage. My car won't have that high end paint job or killer Interior, it's just gonna be a sleeper.

So you are going to have an LS1 and RWD? Sorry i feel retarted here. IF thats the case than you might get cotm.

Any way if you can't afford a custom interior just put in the old lumina interior or the t/a interior or a mix of both. It should still turn out nice. The whole cage thing would be cool for the strip, but dude, i think you will get a lot of attention with this build if you make it a nice street car. Also it will be more of a sleeper for people on the road.

So are you going to apply for a reconstructed title? And which title will you use, the t/a or the lumina?

Z34LS1

01-04-2008, 12:19 PM

The Chassis is a 98 WS6 Formula TA, with all of it's running Gear. That means LS1, 4 Speed Automatic, It has a Traction Control System, ABS, and every Option that was Available. I have both Titles, here in Indiana I need not Apply for an Altered Title in any way shape or form. We have No State Inspection, there is a Noise Ordinance, and the Police don't put up with much BS. I went to the BMV with both Titles and Explained my build to the Branch Manager, here the Exterior of the car is what is important. I need to retain both titles. That's it, So I plate it and Insure it as a Lumina. If I chose to Sell it the Manager recommend that Both Titles be Transferred to the New Owner, that way if the Car is moved out of State and needs to go through a Police or State Inspection the new Owner would have both Titles.
The TA serial number is located in many spots on the Chassis as well as the Dash(but it's covered), The Lumina has 4 Stickers on it's Body, and the Vin in the Dash. First time I get pulled over I'll find out what the Police say, locally with the city Cops I won't have a problem, two of them have been over checking it out. We're a Pretty small town here, most everyone knows everyone.

Z34LS1

01-04-2008, 12:25 PM

Hey Gullet I may see you at the Strip. Muncie has the closest Drag Strip to me, they Feature weekly events, 1/8th and 1/4 mile.

GULLETT17

01-04-2008, 12:27 PM

my dad has a 50 ford pickup he put on a 76 ford pickup 4WD frame w/drivetrain. . . its still titled as a 50 ford . . . im in indiana too

GULLETT17

01-04-2008, 12:28 PM

Hey Gullet I may see you at the Strip. Muncie has the closest Drag Strip to me, they Feature weekly events, 1/8th and 1/4 mile.
hell yeah i usually go wednesday nite and watch test and tune and the trophy races. what city you in? im really in selma/parker city, east of muncie . . . but im close enough to the strip that you can here it some nites

02ultraZ

01-04-2008, 01:36 PM

KyleLs1

01-04-2008, 01:45 PM

awesome build!
don't listen to the haters... that thing will be the coolest sleeper ever when it's done!

as for the interior, my vote goes to cleaning up the lumina interior and putting it in (if it will still fit together the same after all your customizing)
Maybe integrate parts of the Formula interior as well, seats etc.

Nestromo

01-04-2008, 02:52 PM

If anyone here has any sense you could make car of the month. That car has the potential to be cooler than any F-Body they have ever made COTM.

Z34LS1

01-07-2008, 11:51 AM

Over the Weekend I had a chance to do a bit more on the car,
Last Saturday we started welding the Body to the Chassis at the Rocker Panels. First we made sure the Body was Level to the frame on all four corners. This was easy for us because the Tops of the Frame Rails already sit at the correct height. Next we Tacked all four corners of the Rockers.
Then going back and forth(not that it mattered) down the Drivers Side we Gas welded the Lumina's Body to the Trans Am's Floor Pan:

Here is the Rocker after a quick shot of primer to keep the Rust away:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-203S.JPG

On the Bottom Side the Trans Am was not attached like the Lumina was. We used a piece of 1x1 Angle Iron that fit the gap really nice. Here it is with a Series of Tacks from Gas Welding, when the car is Able I will take it to the Shop and Finish welding these with our Miller. I have a 110 mig(old craftsman) but was not happy with the penetration, so we Gas welded everything to this point:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-208S.JPG

This Last shot is from Inside the Car looking at the drivers Rocker:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-209S.JPG

Friday I hope to get the Passenger side Rocker done, then Saturday it's on to the Wheel Wells and Frame.
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02ultraZ

01-07-2008, 12:10 PM

Is the roof going to be structurally integral to the car?

Z34LS1

01-07-2008, 12:33 PM

02ultraZIs the roof going to be structurally integral to the car?

Yes it is, The Roof is Solid Steel again, and the Supports under the Sheet Metal have also been welded back together. I still am pondering doing a Cage, not that I don't trust my Handywork but rather because I'm looking into a Supercharger Set Up. If I go that route with the the added Power and Torque the Cage would be nice to help Stiffen it Up. If you noticed in previuos post I showed the Frame Rails that run down the Bottom of the Luminas Body, I know I'll gain a lot of strength there.

02ultraZ

01-07-2008, 12:38 PM

If you put a full cage in that thing you could cut a targa top into it. :mel: That would be badass...

Z34LS1

01-07-2008, 12:46 PM

I don't think that would work, the Lumina''s have a Door Frame around the window(on the door). If it didn't have that Frame I'd of chopped the Top too!

02ultraZ

01-07-2008, 01:56 PM

oh shit yea i forgot about that detail.

Well with your metal skillz you could cut that top section of the doors window frame and weld it to the targa part you would cut out. I would just look goofy with the doors open thats all. Sike it would leak like a bitch...

Nestromo

02-02-2008, 01:12 AM

Any work on the Z58?

Z34LS1

02-02-2008, 05:32 AM

1-2-08

Hi Nestromo,

Z57 remember....lol
Yes There has been a Lot of work on the car, Thanks for asking. A lot of what has been done over the Past few weeks is repetitive. The Passenger quarter is welded together and now needs finish work done. Both Rocker Panels are welded together now, Both Front Wheel Wells are now welded to the Lumina Body, the Drivers Rear Wheel Well Quarter is also weled, the Passenger side is ½ way done. I bought a set of C5 wheels I pick up today at noon, I think they will go great with the Lumina's body lines. The mig welder I borrowed was junk so I bought a new one, this makes everything so much faster. Tonight I plan on trying to wrap up the Trunk, rear Frame Rails, and the Passenger wheel well. I will take a lot more Pictures tonight and post them. Thanks for Asking.
Joe

Nestromo

02-02-2008, 10:28 PM

1-2-08
Hi Nestromo,
Z57 remember....lol

Sorry, Phord guy. :dance: 5.8 comes to my head naturally.

Yes There has been a Lot of work on the car, Thanks for asking. A lot of what has been done over the Past few weeks is repetitive. The Passenger quarter is welded together and now needs finish work done. Both Rocker Panels are welded together now, Both Front Wheel Wells are now welded to the Lumina Body, the Drivers Rear Wheel Well Quarter is also weled, the Passenger side is ½ way done. I bought a set of C5 wheels I pick up today at noon, I think they will go great with the Lumina's body lines. The mig welder I borrowed was junk so I bought a new one, this makes everything so much faster. Tonight I plan on trying to wrap up the Trunk, rear Frame Rails, and the Passenger wheel well. I will take a lot more Pictures tonight and post them. Thanks for Asking.
Joe

Sounds like you are making some serious progress. What kind of C5 wheels? The "wagon wheel" style? If so then they will definately go well with the Lumina. Get those pics up. Can't wait to see the finished product. People will be talking about this car, that's for sure. :)

Z34LS1

02-03-2008, 12:27 PM

Well I've been working Solo for the past Month, my Son's working more OT than he cares for. I have a lot of updates, so Thanks for checking my thread to see what I've been up to.

Here is the Drivers Front Wheel Well, lots of extra to grind off. I have to make a small panel to close off the front of it yet. The original Flanges were used, welds were done from the Top first, then the undersides done on all four Wheel Wells:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/js640_PICT0063.jpg

Here is the Passenger Side:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/js640_PICT0065.jpg

This is the Drivers Rear Wheel Well shown from inside the Car. Once again I have a small panel to fit in at the Bottom:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/js640_PICT0066.jpg

This picture is the Same Wheel Well showing the Top Side from inside the Car. I have a few Holes to Fill in Yet as well as grinding excess welds. Working in tight spot is harder than you think, getting the right angles to weld the panels is tough:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/js640_PICT0067.jpg

Here is the Passenger Rear Wheel Well from inside the car:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/js640_PICT0068.jpg

Top View of the Passenger Side Rear Wheel Well:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/js640_PICT0069.jpg

This is the Drivers Rear Wheel Well shot from behind the Car.The Bottom Floor of the Trunk needs to be made yet:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/js640_PICT0070.jpg

This is the Passenger Rear Frame. The Frames are Offset from Each other, both of the Lumina Sections were to the Right side of the Trans Am's so I made the new sections up one side at a time and made a new Box Frame section:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/js640_PICT0072.jpg

Here is the Drivers Rear Frame Mod:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/js640_PICT0087.jpg

Yesterday in a Local Ad magazine I found a set of C5 Wheels, I bought them cause I think they'll go with the Body:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/js640_PICT0078.jpg

Thanks for Taking the Time to see what I've been up to, comments and Criticism is always Welcome.
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KyleLs1

02-03-2008, 12:29 PM

^^ looks like those wheels are gonna stick out bigtime... any solution in mind? or is it just the camera angle that makes it look like that?

Z34LS1

02-03-2008, 12:59 PM

Actually from above they are Outside the Body by about ½ Inch. The Law locally is you can not exceed 1 Inch. Once the Ground Effects and Rear Bumper are on they don't look so Fat.

superchargedblackgto

02-05-2008, 08:34 AM

Actually from above they are Outside the Body by about ½ Inch. The Law locally is you can not exceed 1 Inch. Once the Ground Effects and Rear Bumper are on they don't look so Fat.
Where in Indiana are you located?......I am @ the southern tip, I got to come chaeck this build out.....BTW, I'm impressed, good luck and keep us up to date...
Brad

Z34LS1

02-06-2008, 02:22 AM

I'm in a small town called Decatur. It's 12 miles South of Fort Wayne.

superchargedblackgto

02-06-2008, 05:29 AM

I'm in a small town called Decatur. It's 12 miles South of Fort Wayne.
About 51/2 Hrs from me... I'll get up there some time and look you up..
Brad

Z34LS1

02-26-2008, 12:51 PM

My Dad passed away on February 6th so I've been busy with Funeral Arrangements and Helping my Mom get her life back in order. My parents were 11 days short of their 47th Anniversary.
I did get back into the Garage over this past weekend and managed to Finish the Trunk Floor and Rear Wheel Wells. I will post pictures soon.

KyleLs1

02-26-2008, 02:16 PM

sloss

02-28-2008, 01:43 PM

def a sweet build keep us updated

predator

03-20-2008, 05:37 AM

I need a fix man... I need some info on how the project is going...

-me

Z34LS1

03-20-2008, 10:58 AM

I rolled it out of the Garage Last Weekend! Didn't have a radiator in so I had to push it. There is so many little things that have to be done you'd never know it. Most will never be seen but never the less need to be done. I hope Saturday to Assemble the Car Complete with Doors. Once everything is proven to Fit, open, and close with no problems I'll be moving along to the Body Work. Here the Car looks as if to be sitting "High". It is, there is no weight on it yet. I stood on the rocker panel with a Buddy(About 480 lbs combined) and the Rear End settled down an Inch and a Half. Remember the Car has ground Effects that will give the Appearance of being even lower. Thought and Criticism's are always welcome.
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/0315080926.jpg

Here is a Rear View, Sorry no Bumper Cover on.
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/0315080925.jpg

joe

Those Pipes are 3½" and have an Angle cut on them. After walking by it twice and getting duplicate cuts on one leg I Put a couple of layers of Tape on them.

predator

03-20-2008, 04:37 PM

ahhhhh i can sleep now

needs a 4th gen styl ta wing... dont know y... maybe cause im drunk... but i think it needs a 4th gen wing... but the one designed for the 3rd gen would prolly fit better

-me

Z34LS1

03-20-2008, 05:24 PM

You know what I have one and have thought the same thing. The front of the wing(the Tips forward pointing) is to wide for my Deck Lid, but the back is Perfect. I thought about taking a "Pie Cut" out of the corners to bring the forward tips even with the front of the Deck Lid. The Factory wing is not very tall, the 4th Gen Formula Wing is very Tall. I think it would look nice.

This Wing:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-003S.JPG

OnEbAdReDSS

03-21-2008, 08:43 AM

do it would look sick!

suede

03-21-2008, 09:27 PM

Looking forward to the outcome...

predator

03-22-2008, 07:48 AM

dude you gotta do it now that someone has randomly told you it woudl be awesome...

-me

BULLET_WS6

03-22-2008, 08:29 AM

subscribed... think is sick(in a good way)

PittZ28

04-20-2008, 09:27 AM

i read this whole thing today - now im wanting more! any updates?

-bill

Culby

04-20-2008, 07:38 PM

i read this whole thing today - now im wanting more! any updates?

Me too.

KyleLs1

04-20-2008, 08:28 PM

1fastcamarosss11

04-20-2008, 08:58 PM

subscribing.

PittZ28

04-21-2008, 01:28 PM

i wish i had talents like that - i would be way to afraid to try something like that i think for fear of ruining everything

Z34LS1

04-25-2008, 03:56 PM

I do have updates and will be posting them this weekend.
Car is titled as:

VIN2G2FV22G9W2210609Year/Make/Model:1998 PONTIAC FIREBIRD FORMULA/TRANS AMBody Style:HATCHBACK 2 DREngine Type: 5.7L V8 PFI OHVManufactured In: CANADASearch Results: 12 records found in our database What is a Record? (http://www.carfax.com/cfm/check_order.cfm?affiliateID=1206&bannername=big_vbox_form&partner=kow_e&VIN=2G2FV22G9W2210609&search.x=34&search.y=9#)IMPORTANT! The 12 records on this 1998 PONTIAC FIREBIRD FORMULA/

KyleLs1

04-25-2008, 10:55 PM

Z34LS1

05-11-2008, 12:37 PM

Updates.....
I've been very busy working on the project. This past weekend I used seam sealer for the first time. I bought the sealer at NAPA in the form of a caulk gun. My pictures were taken after plugging the Computer back in and running the wiring to the Battery, as well as Installing the new Radiator. I got to here the LS1 run again for the first time since the project began.

I have new Tubular Trailing Arms, Panhard Bar, and a Strut Tower Brace to install yet. I've also switched the Wheels out for the SS Wheels, the C4 Wheels were a bit to much. The front Frame Rails are now done, and the rears are completed to.

I have one more pice of Bracing to do. I want to attach the Floor Pan to the Lumina Body underneath the car. Neither car was done this way from the facory, I'm just hoping to stiffen it up a bit more.
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/PICT0151_1077_x_808_.jpg

http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/PICT0152_1077_x_808_.jpg

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http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/PICT0158_1077_x_808_.jpg
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robcas47

05-11-2008, 01:13 PM

just finished reading this thread and i'm hooked. great job dude. wish i had your talents. makes me want to finish my impala project. great idea, great project. looking forward to seeing this thing through.

Z34LS1

05-15-2008, 07:16 PM

Today I cut the Rear Spoiler from the Trans Am. The Lumina deck Lid is much Skinnier and Flatter than the Trans Am's hatch. I thought abought this for a while and was going to take a small pie shaped cut fro each inside corner at first. The problem was it would have changed the way the spoiler looked. The biggest problem was the front tips of the Spoiler has bolts on the underside that secure them to the hatch, these bolts were about an inch and a half outside of the Lumina's deck lid.
Here is how I cut the Spoiler:
Using painters tape I laid out my material to be removed.
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-363S.JPG

Next I laid the same stripes on the top side, maintaining the 1.500 gap:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-366S.JPG

After measuring the layout being sure the lines were straight I went to the Verticle Saw:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-367S.JPG

After the Initial cuts were made I then took a second cut closer to my lines:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-368S.JPG

Here is what I had after cutting:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-369S.JPG

Next it was on to the 24 inch disk sander to Square up my cuts:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-373S.JPG

After Sanding the Cuts down I was left with nice straight lines:
http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-375S.JPG

Over the weekend I hope to have the Spoiler back in one piece, I'll post photos afterwards. The Base of the Spoiler has a lot of alterations to be done to get it to look right with the center mounts touching the deck lid. There is about a 2 Inch gap that needs to be filled. My plan is to cut the bottoms off the center mounts, then make new pieces to fill the voids.
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