FINAL Info On What Cam I Should Go With!!!

[NeeD4SpeeD]

Ok guys this is the FINAL bit with the cam.... I'm getting the cam next week and i need a final decision on what the best big streetable cam is....

Now i was originally going to go with the TR 236/230 .602/.575 112 LSA which i heard with my supporting mods and a nice tune will net me about 430RWHP which is what i'm looking for and the guys at TTPerformance said they could easily make this cam nice and streetable.

Not i've heard about some other cams in the past few days and it got me wondering if i have the right cam for what i want which is "A HIGH HP CAM THAT HAS A NICE POWERBAND AND CAN BE USED ON THE STREET"

So i've seen the Texas Speed & Performance Torquer Revision 2: 232/234, .595"/.598", 112 LSA and heard this cam to be very good as well with close to the same power gains as the Thunder Racing Cam.

Another cam i saw was the Comp Cam SI6 231/237 .585/.595 112 LSA...

So now i'm really fkin confused and i have no idea which one will give me what i want!!!

I need ALL your opinions including testiments about possible gains and drivablilty with these cams along with other cams and specs that you night think will work best!!!

[NeeD4SpeeD]

Anyone i need some opinions on these cams....

Any input would be greatly appriciated!!:beer3:

[NeeD4SpeeD]

Thing is i need help with the cam that will give me the overall best... I've been looking around some more and noticed that the TSP torquer revision 2 isn't a "reverse slpit" like the TR... But what is a reverse split?? Any more HP found in reverse splits?

I'm definatly going to get this cam beginning of this week and i NEED everyone's help to make my final decision!!!

[hammertime]

Traditional split duration camshafts have more exhaust duration and lift than intake. This allows an inefficient stock or near stock exhaust system to help flow the additional volume of gases when you are producing more power. Also, the older small block chevy heads tended to flow about 65-75% of the exhaust volume that the intake port would.

An LSx head tends to flow more exhaust nearer 80%. A reverse split duration cam actually has more intake lift and duration to take advantage of good flowing exhaust ports and an efficient header and exhaust system.

That said, all the cams you are looking at feature similar lobe separtion angles and durations, but the TTR is the only one that is a reverse split duration. I didn't see your mods, but if you are already running headers (or will be in the future) I would think you'd get more streetable power from the TTR cam. It should flow more in the intake cycle, have sufficient duration to expel the exhaust, and despite the same lobe sep; still not have so much overlap as to compromise your streetablility.

Hope this helps!

Hammer

[NeeD4SpeeD]

Traditional split duration camshafts have more exhaust duration and lift than intake. This allows an inefficient stock or near stock exhaust system to help flow the additional volume of gases when you are producing more power. Also, the older small block chevy heads tended to flow about 65-75% of the exhaust volume that the intake port would.

An LSx head tends to flow more exhaust nearer 80%. A reverse split duration cam actually has more intake lift and duration to take advantage of good flowing exhaust ports and an efficient header and exhaust system.

That said, all the cams you are looking at feature similar lobe separtion angles and durations, but the TTR is the only one that is a reverse split duration. I didn't see your mods, but if you are already running headers (or will be in the future) I would think you'd get more streetable power from the TTR cam. It should flow more in the intake cycle, have sufficient duration to expel the exhaust, and despite the same lobe sep; still not have so much overlap as to compromise your streetablility.

Hope this helps!

Hammer

Thanks man!!! Helps alot!!! Sorry i didnt list my mods that was my mistake. My mods are as follows:

Pacesetter LTs
No Cats
3" full True Dual mandrel bent X pipe exhaust system
2 18" TSP Rumbler billet mufflers
SLP Lid
K&N Air Filter
ZO6 MAF
NGK TR55 Spark Plugs
Taylor 10.4mm Wires
LSX Fast 90mm Intake Manifold (have but not installed yet) Have the LS6 Intake on now.
Nick Williams 90mm TB (have but not installed yet) Stock TB is on.
Fast Fuel Rails (have but not installed yet) Stock ones on.

Thoes are my mods and i have suspension mods also but i figured since were on the subject of power i didnt think they were neccessary to list...

I also am going to by 4.10s to help with the big cam so you can add that to the list in the future..

So based on these mods and based on your testimony i think the TR reverse split would be sufficient for my car considering i have a very free flowing exhaust and will be intake and TB.

If you have any other info based on these mods it would be greatly appriciated!!

[ninobrn99]

your gonna have to spin it pretty high with 2 out of the 3 cams. If thats the case, Id also consider the f14 if your looking at the torquer II...similar specs, but the f14 is a bit tamer. Out of all of those, id go with the torquer II. I personally am running the f13 112 and its awsome!! took it up to 6700 rpms.

[NeeD4SpeeD]

Very nice man!!! From what hammer said, since i have a very open exhaust and lots of air flow wouldnt the TR cam be better considering it was a reverse slpit??

Also the TSP Torquer was actually my favorite cam second to the TR. Now with both of them compared side by side which one will produce more power?? Have a better powerband?? and i know you said the torquer was tamer so that anwsers the other question....

Appriciate the info...

Joe Ballz

[NeeD4SpeeD]

Another note to add to the TR vs TSP cam...

The TR cams powerband is 2200RPM-6600RPM

The TSP cams powerband is 2600RPM-6800RPM

So the TSP picks up later which will hurt acceleration alittle bit but this is a factor also....

[Zboner]

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[NeeD4SpeeD]

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How much power did your cam net you? And also how is the powerband and drivability of the cam??

[Zboner]

its designed for more mid to high end range, and its fine on the street. are you AUTO or M6??? this is a custom grind from COMP, but it should net about 400rwhp when all is said and done

[ninobrn99]

its not a bad cam, but will net you about 380 or so hp....i had the f10 which is 228/228 114 and i made 378/372. All the boltons less a pulley and i had duals.

[NeeD4SpeeD]

its not a bad cam, but will net you about 380 or so hp....i had the f10 which is 228/228 114 and i made 378/372. All the boltons less a pulley and i had duals.

HMMMMM....I'm looking for 400+HP and TQ close to the 390 mark... The way i see it is the TR cam should give me about 430 and with a crazy ass tune it should make it as drivable as ever.... However the TSP cam looks very good also i just want to know of the 2 which one should give me more HP and pick up eairly in the RPM range??

[Flobeast385]

Yea im in the same position on what cam to get because I also drive mine everyday and would like a cam that offers quite a bit more power but is also a good street cam. Please let me know what you decide on and how it turns out for ya. I know that a good computer tune helps out a lot with a cam install, but i also wondered what is the best cam for power and drivability that does not require a computer tune.

[NeeD4SpeeD]

Yea im in the same position on what cam to get because I also drive mine everyday and would like a cam that offers quite a bit more power but is also a good street cam. Please let me know what you decide on and how it turns out for ya. I know that a good computer tune helps out a lot with a cam install, but i also wondered what is the best cam for power and drivability that does not require a computer tune.

I'll let you know how the cam goes man.... Just hope i can get a final cam im going to stick with before tommrow or tuesday because i want to order it with gears and get it by the end of the week!!

[hammertime]

i also wondered what is the best cam for power and drivability that does not require a computer tune.

Do some research, I think you'll find that changing cams means changing the pcm tuning. THink of it this way, if you want the best power, you wouldn't put heads and cam on your car without exhuast to back it up.

Computer tuning is one of the better mods. Aside from adding performance by getting the optimum from your combination, you are also getting better drivability from a good tune.

If you don't want to tune the pcm, I'd suggest doing all your bolt-ons first.

That said - I'd like to hear how it works out for NeeD4SpeeD too!

Hammer

[NeeD4SpeeD]

Do some research, I think you'll find that changing cams means changing the pcm tuning. THink of it this way, if you want the best power, you wouldn't put heads and cam on your car without exhuast to back it up.

Computer tuning is one of the better mods. Aside from adding performance by getting the optimum from your combination, you are also getting better drivability from a good tune.

If you don't want to tune the pcm, I'd suggest doing all your bolt-ons first.

That said - I'd like to hear how it works out for NeeD4SpeeD too!

Hammer

Thanks man!!! Yea i'm going to order the cam this week and get it installed ASAP... I just want to do all the research i can befor i make my decision...

So once i get a definate anwser then i'm going to order it!!!

BTW out of the 3 cam i listed..does anyone know which one would produce the MOST power??

[NeeD4SpeeD]

:usa: :beer: Thanks for all the info... Any more would be very useful!!!

[ninobrn99]

is this with stock heads?? if so, your not gonna see 430 from any of these cams. id say 405-410 tops and thats with a freak!!

[baseballss]

i agree with stock heads 410 is the most your gonna see, usually in the range of 380-390

[NeeD4SpeeD]

Yep, it's with stock heads.... But from the dyno's i've seen with the TR cam it pushed 420RWHP with stock heads and supporting bolt ons..... Is the dyno wrong, maybe i read it wrong but im sure they didnt have heads...

[ninobrn99]

like i said, i really doubt that cam only setup will net you 430. unless you have heads or a 90/90 setup. :shrug:

[NeeD4SpeeD]

no i 100% understand what your saying and i'm definatly not saying your lying or wrong... But Thunder Racing has posted on their website a dyno of a cam alittle smaller then the one i listed and the dyno listed the cam at 410RWHP and 389RWTQ with all bolt ons EXCEPT heads and 4.30s. I also have all the bolt ons except the 4.30s i'll have 4.10s put in with the cam.. I know the 4.30 will make a little difference in the dyno results but then again the dyno test TR has is for a smaller cam then the one i want so that why i assumed i would net around 420-430... Also called TT Performance and told them about the cam i wanted and they said with their tune and all my bolt ons (no heads) that they could get me 430... I hope their right and there not all lying to me!!!:mad:

[LOWnMEAN]

If your putting on a fast intake, would you be interested in selling the ls6

[NeeD4SpeeD]

If your putting on a fast intake, would you be interested in selling the ls6


Yup i probably would sell it

[NeeD4SpeeD]

Well i'm probably going to order the cam today, and i think i'm going to stick with the TR cam unless someone can pursuade me that another cam would make better power.... As far as i'm concerned, i just want the cam to make me over 400RWHP and i'll be satisfyed... So lets hope i picked the right one!!!

[notchback]

would that be rear wheel hp

[ninobrn99]

no i 100% understand what your saying and i'm definatly not saying your lying or wrong... But Thunder Racing has posted on their website a dyno of a cam alittle smaller then the one i listed and the dyno listed the cam at 410RWHP and 389RWTQ with all bolt ons EXCEPT heads and 4.30s. I also have all the bolt ons except the 4.30s i'll have 4.10s put in with the cam.. I know the 4.30 will make a little difference in the dyno results but then again the dyno test TR has is for a smaller cam then the one i want so that why i assumed i would net around 420-430... Also called TT Performance and told them about the cam i wanted and they said with their tune and all my bolt ons (no heads) that they could get me 430... I hope their right and there not all lying to me!!!:mad:
dude, if you can, then that would be awsome!!! Just dont be stuck on hitting those numbers is all im saying ;) dont want u to be disappointed or upset with your selection.

[NeeD4SpeeD]

dude, if you can, then that would be awsome!!! Just dont be stuck on hitting those numbers is all im saying ;) dont want u to be disappointed or upset with your selection.
Yea i gotch man thanx 4 all your imput and concern... Im just wishing for thoes numbers not set on expecting them so i wont be heart broken if i dont hit the 430 mark but if i get close i'll be happy!!

[cam02ss]

i got the TR 230/236 590/598 112 and cam only made 397 rwhp. i was satisfied with that for a cam only car. i just recently got GTP stage 2+ heads. still need to get it on the dyno. hoping it's somewhere around 440

[baseballss]

hows yur idle??
do you have any clips
still a daily driver??

[cam02ss]

idle is awesome, its not my daily driver only because i have a truck and want to keep the miles down, it could be though. sorry no sound clips.

[Zboner]

here is my sound clip of it untuned. sorry i need to get more of it

http://media.putfile.com/LS1-cam-n-Y-pipe-cut-out

[01mmmz28]

all the cams you have listed are good cams. don't be disappointed in your dyno numbers, remember all LS1's are different. Some stock ones I have seen dyno went in the 290-310 range, then of course you get you "freaks" who will dyno 320+ on a stock car. If you want to acheive 430+ to the wheels, you better get some heads to go along w/ your cam. Companies that show you cam results will not show you the typical results, they show you the absolute best results which are not typical. It is a way to sell their products, nobody would buy them if they just showed the common results. expect to make anywhere from 375-400 rwhp and 365-385 rwtq. Those numbers are a pretty common occurance. If you want 430 to the wheels cam car, get a 50-75 shot of juice, that would most definatly put you at or above what you want.

[NeeD4SpeeD]

I agree with you and am not expecting exorbitant amounts of RWHP but i did call TR and question them about the car having all bolt ons except heads and asked what it would dyno with a dyno tune... And the rep SWORE that the cam by it's self would produce 420-430RWHP.... Now i dont know if i posted this but i decided on a cam and it is a Custom Grind TR 231/237 .595/.602 112LSA so maybe this cam will give me that HP i dunno but this is what TR claims...??

[01mmmz28]

my cam specs are really close to that, mine is a TSP cam, but I am not expecting 400 to the wheels, 390 and I will be happy. We have 2 other guys in our local club w/ the same cam as mine and they were colse to 400 cam only.

mine is 231/237 598/595 112 lsa.

[NeeD4SpeeD]

We'll c what happens...i'm not holding my breath on over 400RWHP but would be nice!!

[99 Formula]

well damn good thread..now POST PICS!!! or POST DYNO SHEET!! i wanna know what cha got outta that cam..i am also looking at doing a cam swap here in the next few months..what all did you have to buy when you bought the cam? what about springs, retainers, pushrods..??? or just buy the cam and put it in? what were your gains? whats your idle? driveability?

[NeeD4SpeeD]

Me and a few of my friends who have a speed shop will be doin the install probably in about 2-3 weeks because i'm madd busy with work so when i get it done i'll take pix and post some dyno sheets!!

[99 Formula]

Cant Wait!!!

[BerryWS6]

here is my cam 238/242 .605/.610 110LSA+2 I am at 412hp at the wheels through a 12 bolt with 4.30's and stock (crappy 843 heads not 241 like you have) heads. I have all the bolt on's but not X-pipe with duals, this is through a y-pipe. if I had a stock 10 bolt and stock gears I would be around 430rwhp the 12 bolt eats about 20rwhp, its that heavy!

[Flobeast385]

That is some really good numbers. I am looking for a good cam myself and was needing some help and information. I was thinking of an average size cam because I put about 50 miles on my 99 TA M6 a day. I will not be able to get it tuned any time soon because i am waiting until I get LTs so it will need to perform and idle good without a tune. I have been looking at a TSP 224R on a 112LSA with 918 springs and hardened pushrods. Any idea what kind of power and torque I could expect from this setup with an SLP lid and exhaust only. Also wondering if I could go any bigger without tuning and still idle good. Thanks

[RedDemon2]

Great Info!

[NeeD4SpeeD]

here is my cam 238/242 .605/.610 110LSA+2 I am at 412hp at the wheels through a 12 bolt with 4.30's and stock (crappy 843 heads not 241 like you have) heads. I have all the bolt on's but not X-pipe with duals, this is through a y-pipe. if I had a stock 10 bolt and stock gears I would be around 430rwhp the 12 bolt eats about 20rwhp, its that heavy!
Thoes are some good numbers man congrats!!! My new numbers with the new cam installed on the stock 241 heads are in the sig!!

[BIG D's SS]

I went with the 2nd cam on the list but it is a Comp Cam version. Love it. Great sound and pulls like a freight train.

[spazzyfry123]

I went with the 2nd cam on the list but it is a Comp Cam version. Love it. Great sound and pulls like a freight train.

Sound clip?:thinkin:

[gen3toy]

go a comp on a110 lsa,see ur other post for my reply

[INMY01TA]

That is some really good numbers. I am looking for a good cam myself and was needing some help and information. I was thinking of an average size cam because I put about 50 miles on my 99 TA M6 a day. I will not be able to get it tuned any time soon because i am waiting until I get LTs so it will need to perform and idle good without a tune. I have been looking at a TSP 224R on a 112LSA with 918 springs and hardened pushrods. Any idea what kind of power and torque I could expect from this setup with an SLP lid and exhaust only. Also wondering if I could go any bigger without tuning and still idle good. Thanks370 on a dynojet, 360ish on a Mustang dyno. Threadjacker.

[INMY01TA]

I agree wiht everyone that you won't see 430 from those cams. If it were me, I've always been a fan of the Texas Speed 233/239 cam. Better choice I think that the Torquer 2. http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=169&catid=44