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fox87stang
10-28-2007, 12:29 AM
I was in my 99 cobra and my buddy was in his 00 firehawk. Im all stock except flows and bbk cai and he has a stock ls1 with full exhaust A4.

I raced a newer lightning...he suprised me, that thing was whining LOUD. We both took off at about a 10 roll or so up til about 70 and i was starting to gain on him as i was shifting into 3rd. Then i raced a new SRT4 from about a 50 roll that spanked my ass...he said he is running 23 psi on his turbo...it sounded good to...we stopped and talked to him and his buddies, he was a cool guy..his buddies had another SRT4, a few SC cobras and 3 TA's

My buddy in the Firehawk really didnt race anyone, he just jacked around with the TA's mentioned above and started to race a 07 GT from a dig. They took off from a stop light, i was right behind them. The Hawk starts spinning pretty bad and the GT hooks up and goes, well at about 30 mph the GT lets off the gas and my buddy starts to coast...turns out a cop was in the oncoming traffic and made a u-turn. He got in behind the Hawk and my buddy pulled over, then he went after the GT. Well my buddy in the Hawk gets on the gas a little bit to pull over and the cop thinks he is fixing to run i guess, so the cops swerves over behind my buddy again, almost taking out a curb. Another cop pulled the GT over and brought him back to the race scene. The cop let my buddy off easy with an "excessive exceleration from a stop" ticket and the GT got cut loose...so that pretty much ended our street racing for the night...to bad it was at 10 o clock, but good he didnt go to jail

Well thats all for this week folks

BIGG JOE

silverz28camaro
10-28-2007, 12:59 AM
dam, that is a close one, and to think i got a ticket for rolling through stop sigh at 11' o clock at night when no one was around. If i was a cop, or pig i should say, i would let all v8's off with a warning as log as they won and all 4 bangers a ticket for inadequate acceleration. lol....lol....lol....

be careful out there......and race in a well non traffic area if possible or don't race at all....it's not worth it to prove a point if you take another innocent life....you guys know what to do right?

4tun8
10-28-2007, 04:15 AM
dam, that is a close one, and to think i got a ticket for rolling through stop sigh at 11' o clock at night when no one was around. If i was a cop, or pig i should say, i would let all v8's off with a warning as log as they won and all 4 bangers a ticket for inadequate acceleration. lol....lol....lol....




Wow you're a d-bag.

Loudz28
10-28-2007, 12:15 PM
lol

hutch1999
10-28-2007, 05:04 PM
lol, 4tun8 you just used one of my favorite words d-bag...

Wesman
10-28-2007, 09:40 PM
Wow you're a d-bag.

Why is there a need to call him names?? I thought that was funny, actually.

blue02Z
10-29-2007, 05:04 AM
dam, that is a close one, and to think i got a ticket for rolling through stop sigh at 11' o clock at night when no one was around. If i was a cop, or pig i should say, i would let all v8's off with a warning as log as they won and all 4 bangers a ticket for inadequate acceleration. lol....lol....lol....




why gotta go and say pig? it stands for pride, integrety and guts:moon:

4tun8
10-29-2007, 05:46 AM
why gotta go and say pig? it stands for pride, integrety and guts:moon:

Yeah he was out to offend on that one.

silverz28camaro
10-29-2007, 07:18 PM
Yeah he was out to offend on that one.

:uzi:nice yellow car d-bag:moon:..........looks like baby shit, and i really wasn't out to offend anyone just a joke that you took a little to seriously. i was just mad at the cop about the fact that i didn't come to a complete stop. Maybe a 3mph roll through it, nothing to hurt anyone

blue02Z
10-29-2007, 08:06 PM
:uzi:nice yellow car d-bag:moon:..........looks like baby shit, and i really wasn't out to offend anyone just a joke that you took a little to seriously. i was just mad at the cop about the fact that i didn't come to a complete stop. Maybe a 3mph roll through it, nothing to hurt anyone

:wtf: did 4tun8 do to you? i said it and yeah it offends me, thats the way the ball bounces, i'll get over it:toetap:

mrr23
10-29-2007, 08:38 PM
Wow you're a d-bag.

little harsh. he did put the lol after it. shouldn't have taken it that seriously.

Sikhawk
10-29-2007, 09:30 PM
Still not fully understanding why 4-cylinder cars are always made fun of by T/A owners on this site over and over again.. kinda jacked up in my opinion, I respect any car that can run a flat 13 stock, whether it be a 4,6,8 cylinder.

blue02Z
10-30-2007, 04:59 AM
Still not fully understanding why 4-cylinder cars are always made fun of by T/A owners on this site over and over again.. kinda jacked up in my opinion, I respect any car that can run a flat 13 stock, whether it be a 4,6,8 cylinder.

they run closer to mid to high 13's stock, i think:think:, just fast 0-60 times cuz of AWD but none the less, they can be sick:zoom:

Sleeper101
10-30-2007, 07:28 AM
My opinion is nothing wrong with 4,6,or 8 cyl but the 4 cly ricey POS Fast and the Furious Wanna bee's kill it for everyone. I like a nice built 4 cly that can kick some butt, But I hate the fart can I wanna break the worlds loudest car record.

I have owned an AWD turbo talon, Extremely fast, Love the cars.
Currently own a inline 6 turbo charged 240sx, Never been beaten by a v8 street car.
And I own a Lt1 firebird T/A currently being built.

The most impressive part of a turbo 4cly is the gas milage and power they can produce, Nothing beats that,

Inline 6 turbo is just insane power!!!

But nothing can beat a v8 rumble and the power you can make with some money invested.

Point is they all have there goods and bads. Just according to who perfers wat!!!!!

I personally like anything that makes me give an effort to reach back up to make the next shift!!!

Wesman
10-30-2007, 04:01 PM
Still not fully understanding why 4-cylinder cars are always made fun of by T/A owners on this site over and over again.. kinda jacked up in my opinion, I respect any car that can run a flat 13 stock, whether it be a 4,6,8 cylinder.

Ummm...no, can't say I agree.

I find it completely pointless to try and make a 4 cylinder engine a "performance motor" by adding a turbo, no matter what you do it will still have a crappy powerband and sound like a weedwacker.

There are absolutely NO advantages to making a 4 cylinder fast. Lets say you had a 300WHP boosted 4 cyinder and a 300WHP LS1 - The LS1 will have much more low end power and torque, a better powerband, better top end breathing, and it will sound infinitely better - and best of all, both will get about the same gas mileage. In fact, its not uncommon for stock M6 LS1's to get 28-30MPG, never heard of an Evo or STI getting anywhere close to that. It will also be more reliable, since you are not stressing the engine with insane amounts of boost pressure in order to make power. I don't see how you can even have an arguement, turbo 4 cylinders simply aren't the best or most efficient means of making power, case closed. In fact, I find it completely pointless to buy a 4 cylinder if you're goal is to go fast and sound good.

blue02Z
10-30-2007, 05:46 PM
hey Wesman, do you just hate imports? i'm not trying to start a fight but just wondering cuz anytime someone says something good about a fast 4 cylinder you have to come up with some B.S. about how they are worthless except for maybe daily driving...

Sleeper101
10-30-2007, 07:05 PM
Hey (wesman) I think you need to go look up some facts before you speak. Im not a huge supporter on imports but I know a few honda and Nissan guys running well over 400WHP and still getting 29-31mpg. So you prooved nothing, I dont see an LS1 getting 29MPG on 400WHP. More like 18-22 if there lucky. My Nissan 240sx RB powered car has 400WHP and I get 22-26MPG as long as I keep my foot out of it. As far as stressing parts out, Im running a 1/4 of the power I can. Oh and as far as the sound, ya 4cyl suck but my inline 6 on open header!!!! HAHA and BOV Pshhhhh Nothing better. V8's rock but never count out the middle man. Ill hand your ass too you faster than you can get your head out of the exhaust.

So look up some real facts and real numbers then get back to us, Other wise keep your trap shut.

blue02Z
10-30-2007, 08:03 PM
:Owned: but i'm sure he has something to counter it:)

Sikhawk
10-30-2007, 09:50 PM
Ummm...no, can't say I agree.

I find it completely pointless to try and make a 4 cylinder engine a "performance motor" by adding a turbo, no matter what you do it will still have a crappy powerband and sound like a weedwacker.

There are absolutely NO advantages to making a 4 cylinder fast. Lets say you had a 300WHP boosted 4 cyinder and a 300WHP LS1 - The LS1 will have much more low end power and torque, a better powerband, better top end breathing, and it will sound infinitely better - and best of all, both will get about the same gas mileage. In fact, its not uncommon for stock M6 LS1's to get 28-30MPG, never heard of an Evo or STI getting anywhere close to that. It will also be more reliable, since you are not stressing the engine with insane amounts of boost pressure in order to make power. I don't see how you can even have an arguement, turbo 4 cylinders simply aren't the best or most efficient means of making power, case closed. In fact, I find it completely pointless to buy a 4 cylinder if you're goal is to go fast and sound good.

you obviously decided to ignore the fact that people buy cars and leave them stock. An evo 9 MR runs very similar to what the LS1's run, but it handles, corners, accelerates better than a trans am ever would.

tigersport14
10-31-2007, 09:40 AM
Hey (wesman) I think you need to go look up some facts before you speak. Im not a huge supporter on imports but I know a few honda and Nissan guys running well over 400WHP and still getting 29-31mpg. So you prooved nothing, I dont see an LS1 getting 29MPG on 400WHP. More like 18-22 if there lucky. My Nissan 240sx RB powered car has 400WHP and I get 22-26MPG as long as I keep my foot out of it. As far as stressing parts out, Im running a 1/4 of the power I can. Oh and as far as the sound, ya 4cyl suck but my inline 6 on open header!!!! HAHA and BOV Pshhhhh Nothing better. V8's rock but never count out the middle man. Ill hand your ass too you faster than you can get your head out of the exhaust.

So look up some real facts and real numbers then get back to us, Other wise keep your trap shut.


he was just saying its easier to make make more hp and torque with an ls1 than a 4 banger. no need to talk crap about racing him...

Wesman
10-31-2007, 08:51 PM
Hey (wesman) I think you need to go look up some facts before you speak. Im not a huge supporter on imports but I know a few honda and Nissan guys running well over 400WHP and still getting 29-31mpg. So you prooved nothing, I dont see an LS1 getting 29MPG on 400WHP. More like 18-22 if there lucky. My Nissan 240sx RB powered car has 400WHP and I get 22-26MPG as long as I keep my foot out of it. As far as stressing parts out, Im running a 1/4 of the power I can. Oh and as far as the sound, ya 4cyl suck but my inline 6 on open header!!!! HAHA and BOV Pshhhhh Nothing better. V8's rock but never count out the middle man. Ill hand your ass too you faster than you can get your head out of the exhaust.

So look up some real facts and real numbers then get back to us, Other wise keep your trap shut.

I look up facts all the time, thats where I come up with my info.

Lets get something stright right now. You don't know ANY "Honda and Nissan" guys running "well over 400WHP" and getting 30MPG. Lay off the crack buddy. My friend has a Civic "Bubble" with a B18 w/ cams, and it only manages low 20's MPG. There is nothing magical about jap motors that allows them to get such great gas mileage. You're simply making up bullshit to suit your arguement.

Guess how much I care about your supposed "400HP" Nissan 'RB" 240sx. Yep, I don't even need to say it. I'm sure your inline 6 sounds like complete shit with an open header too, no need for you to give any more details. I can just imagine the horrible sound.

Nobodys impressed by your made up 400HP Nissan. So I suggest you "keep your trap shut" :jerkit:

Wesman
10-31-2007, 08:57 PM
you obviously decided to ignore the fact that people buy cars and leave them stock. An evo 9 MR runs very similar to what the LS1's run, but it handles, corners, accelerates better than a trans am ever would.

Ignorance is bliss.

First off, 5 or 6MPH in the 1/4 is not very close. Thats absolute rape on the highway. There is a 70WHP difference between a stock Evo and a stock LS1.

And somehow an Evo handles, brakes, and accelerates better than a Trans Am ever would?? Are you on some kind of drugs?? F-Bodies can easily be made into very mean track cars that would easily hand an Evo its ASS on a road course.

And you can't be serious about the acceleration, those cars are slow as dog shit bone stock. Punch if from a roll, you might as well be driving a 4 cylinder Accord.

blue02Z
10-31-2007, 09:06 PM
Ignorance is bliss.

First off, 5 or 6MPH in the 1/4 is not very close. Thats absolute rape on the highway. There is a 70WHP difference between a stock Evo and a stock LS1.

And somehow an Evo handles, brakes, and accelerates better than a Trans Am ever would?? Are you on some kind of drugs?? F-Bodies can easily be made into very mean track cars that would easily hand an Evo its ASS on a road course.

And you can't be serious about the acceleration, those cars are slow as dog shit bone stock. Punch if from a roll, you might as well be driving a 4 cylinder Accord.

well man, i have to disagree with you there... these AWD cars are bullets in the league of going from a dead stop, yes their 1/4 times fall off a bit but they are still the same as a stock ls1 if not better. they do handle better, they are good at that. f-bodies suck in stock form for the track, mine is rough as shit on bumpy turns. lets dont start the pissing contest of who is faster if you do this to it and this is handles better than that if i do this to it

Wesman
10-31-2007, 09:34 PM
well man, i have to disagree with you there... these AWD cars are bullets in the league of going from a dead stop, yes their 1/4 times fall off a bit but they are still the same as a stock ls1 if not better. they do handle better, they are good at that. f-bodies suck in stock form for the track, mine is rough as shit on bumpy turns. lets dont start the pissing contest of who is faster if you do this to it and this is handles better than that if i do this to it

They can come off the line quickly because of the AWD, but thats still not going to come close to out launching an F-body with a stalled auto, 9", and slicks. Plus the F-Body will actually make it off the line without snapping a CV or blowing its transmission up. Thats always a benefit.

Pyromaniacal
11-01-2007, 02:05 AM
Rofl thread hijacking! Stock Evos may not be as fast as stock LS1, but the differences are certainly marginal. Evos are definitely one of the direct threats to LSx on the streets and should certainly be respected.

As far as getting pulled over, don't get crazy on a busy street and that shit doesn't uusally happen! Glad everyone got off easy at least!

mrr23
11-01-2007, 05:35 AM
are here's where this ends.

thread starts off about one thing, then it goes off in a completely different direction. then we start 'making up' cars that with tons of modifications will out do the previous car mentioned in the thread.

you want to bench race, then do it at www.benchracing.com . also, if all you can do is quote 'facts' out of magazines to dispute what people say happens at actual tracks, then go to www.ionlytalkmagazinefactstodisputereality.org .

every time a thread goes off from the original topic, i'm locking it and i'll start handing out alerts/warnings. don't like it, then sign up to those websites.

Sleeper101
11-01-2007, 05:37 AM
I look up facts all the time, thats where I come up with my info.

Lets get something stright right now. You don't know ANY "Honda and Nissan" guys running "well over 400WHP" and getting 30MPG. Lay off the crack buddy. My friend has a Civic "Bubble" with a B18 w/ cams, and it only manages low 20's MPG. There is nothing magical about jap motors that allows them to get such great gas mileage. You're simply making up bullshit to suit your arguement.

Guess how much I care about your supposed "400HP" Nissan 'RB" 240sx. Yep, I don't even need to say it. I'm sure your inline 6 sounds like complete shit with an open header too, no need for you to give any more details. I can just imagine the horrible sound.

Nobodys impressed by your made up 400HP Nissan. So I suggest you "keep your trap shut" :jerkit:


Were are you looking up your facts at Sears?

I have built a B18B series block, Eagle sleeved, Forged pistons,Rods, Steel crank, Cometic headgasket, ARP head studs, Block guard, GSR cams, Gt28 turbo,@ 18lbs of boost and made 436WHP @248lbs tq. @ 24MPG, 28.6MPG Highway on 103 Octain. Made 398WHP on 93 Octain.

I have built a Nissan KA-T, Stock Crank, Eagle Rods, Weisco pistons, Metal heagasket, ARP head studs, Stock cams, Stock intake, GT25 turbo, running 10PSI, Made 280WHP and 311Ft tq, Daily Driver Gets 25MPG.

I have built a 400 small block for a 69 camaro, Made 542WHP @530Ft TQ All motor, 11:1 compression, 110 octain.

Built a 302 in a 93 Mustang, Stock internals, Aluminum Brodix heads, mild cam, .60Trim turbo, on 10lbs of boost made 596WHP on 110 Octain.

I think I know a smiggin about honda's, Nissans, Chevy's, Fords.

Your buddies car must have had a bad tuner or driver one.

Have you ever heard an RB?

Didnt think so, Until you hear one, Dont assume they sound like SHit!!!!
They dont sound like no Piece 4 cyl, But has a rumble like a V8

Your the type of guy that prob goes out in his V8 picking on the smaller guys for fun, Have you ever raced a real Car? Too bad you dont leave near me.

Ya 99% of the 4 cyl world is B.S but for that other 1% They will hand your ass too you.

As for the Evo's has anyone Rode in the 2007 or 2008's?

Those cars are amazingly fast, Handle like a go- cart and gets decent gas milage,

I am still waiting for the New STI to come out too test Drive it and compare the EVO.

Hey Wesman, Here is my So called made up 400WHP 240sx Skyline Powered Rb25Det inline 6. I have more money settin in this pic than you prob got in your house. Enjoy!!!

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee40/rb25drag/RB.jpg