99 Trans Am vs. 05 Supercharged MUSTANG!

[airmaxon1]

So i was drivin on the freeway mindin my business, when two mustangs come flying up behind me. one was probably an 02 GT, he just looked at me and drove on, but then came something a little more interesting, an 05' GT, sounded mean as hell. He pulls up next to me, gives me the nod than came the three honks and we take off, to my surprise he was keeping pace with me up to about 110, then i just let off for my exit. So i get home and am just browsing around on craigslist and what do i come across? http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/car/445460979.html
Same exact car, painted rims, everything, I was then surpirsed that i kept up with a modded GT like that! poor fords.

BTW my car is bone stock except for the open cutout and lid, A4

[slick98z]

that GT looks sick nice kill though gotta love that LSGun

[schrysler]

One Word...gay

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h235/fayaz925/gt002.jpg (http://photobucket.com/)

[JwMonE99]

hmm a nearly stock LS1 taking on an procharged 05 GT....

[Rikki_SeVeN]

did you actually hear the SuperCharger?... cause it all seems highly unlikely...if it was Supercharged... :wall:

[slims00ls1z28]

It's a little unlikely that a stock Fbody could take a procharged 05 GT. A 96 GT sure but those newer stangs are 13 second rides all day long stock as well. Probably just 2 idiots with the same taste in ugly painted rims.

[tigersport14]

i take his word for it. i saw a video of a supercharged 05 GT vs a stock trans am. it was very close but the GT slowly pulled on it. the video SAID the GT was supercharged but it may not have been..

[airmaxon1]

yeah actually i did hear the supercharger, i did mention that he was pullin on me towards the end. i do agree its an ugly ass car, could have been a shitty driver.

[JwMonE99]

I am hoping it was a shitty driver. The 05+GTs arent that much slower then the LS1 F-bodies stock for stock. Pro-chargers can give you lots of power enough to beat an LS1 but again thats if it really was blown.

[NiteRiderWs6]

dosent suprise me one bit...theres a guy here with an 05 gt that is procharged with 20'' wheels....he cant get it under 13.1:ughlaugh:

[NiteRiderWs6]

I am hoping it was a shitty driver. The 05+GTs arent that much slower then the LS1 F-bodies stock for stock. Pro-chargers can give you lots of power enough to beat an LS1 but again thats if it really was blown.

Shyyyyy*********T!!!!!! i dont know about that one bro....when i was lid only i never raced an 05-06 gt that kept up better then 3 cars

[Knight Stalker]

Definitely something wrong if a near-stock LS1 was able to keep up with a Procharged 3-valve. I've easily blasted 3 of them with my '01 Z28, but I'm certain they would have crushed me badly if they were Procharged. Unless, if it was an auto, that could explain at least part of it anyways. Generally speaking, the stock Ford auto trannies don't perform nearly as well as ours. There's something wrong there, though, because those 3-valve heads respond well to boost, too. There's a local guy here with a 3-valve with a blower, and not much else, and he recently ran 12-teens.

[01RaptorTA]

Yea bullshit. Might look ugly but that doesnt make the supercharger and a 13s n/a motor disappear. Especially with you in an A4. Like someone said, if hes auto too then thats slightly more believable, but still no.

[2000T/A Guru]

I have seen bad driver with those cars not be able to get out of the 14s, but with a procharger yes he should have won. The new GT 3 valves are better then the 260hp the GT used to have but they still arent that fast. I have raced a couple and i have raced the stage 1 and 3 rouch versions beat the stage 1 lost to the stage 3 by 1 car. I mean what does that tell you the stage 3 is a superchaged supposidly making 425 at the crank the guy said it runs high 12s and so do I. But when you think about it my car made 340+rwhp now with the tune, which is like 390 or so at the crank with just 3 bolt ons.

[JHayesLS1]

You guys raced from a roll. Its not hard to just floor your car. Even if it was an auto...I still have a hard time believing you didn't loose to a procharged 3V GT.

[2000T/A Guru]

Procharged also doesnt tell us alot, what kind of power is he makeing, some procharger setups only add 80hp. Which would put him at 380hp not to hard to beat. There are alot of variables but yes you should have lost.

[secondgearscratch]

this is absolutely hilarious.

[2000T/A Guru]

:spit: Thats what i think of you

[secondgearscratch]

:spit: Thats what i think of you

thats what i think of kill stories.:wall:

[Cayenne97]

I am hoping it was a shitty driver. The 05+GTs arent that much slower then the LS1 F-bodies stock for stock. Pro-chargers can give you lots of power enough to beat an LS1 but again thats if it really was blown.

Think again. S197's are realistically low 14-second to high 13-second cars between 100-103. A stout bone-stock LS1 M6 will turn low-low 13's at 107-108 (My bro's '01 WS6 went 13.3@107.4). The '05-'07 GT's aren't even close.

"those newer stangs are 13 second rides all day long stock as well.

Saw an '06 GT @ wednesday night drags run consistant low 14's@100-101 all night long. Pretty decent driver.

[secondgearscratch]

So many seem to overstimate the S197 GT's. They are nowhere near a stout stock LS1 Camaro or Firebird - nowhere near. A healthy LS1 F-body with a good driver will run low-low 13's @ 107-108. Seen it done too many times to count. My brothers '01 wen't 13.3@107.4 completely stock. You won't find a stock GT anywhere that can put up those numbers. They are more realistlicly low-14 to high 13-second cars between 100-103mph.

If you've ever witnessed a few GT's pull on the dyno, you would know they aren't up there with the LS1's. They are actually closer to a mildly modded LT1 car, despite having a 12 year advantage in the technology department. (Yes, that's how far the GT has been behind all these years)

As far as the race at hand, it's possible. A mildly modded LS1 could have close to a second advantage over a completely stock GT. You add a supercharger with, let's say, a very conservative 6 pounds of boost, a cat-back, and no tune - and you've got a pretty close race, believe it or not ;)

um....im gonna go with not. the s197s can and will run mid 13s with a decent driver. ive seen ls1s go 15s, it really depends on the driver. i think you sir underestimate the 3vs and that is unfortunate.

stock a4 ls1s arent some freaks of nature and they consistently run mid 13s to low 13s. im fairly certain a mid 13 second ride WITH A PROCHARGER can get out of the 13s, especially if it was an auto (which greatly reduces driver error).

if any of you think this actually happened in the way the story was told i have but the utmost concern for your mental well being.

just because we own and love our f bodies doesnt mean they go 10.80s or 11.50s STOCK.

your car is not a freak. remember this.

*a 3v gt with a procharger pushing 6 psi (im fairly certain) will AT LEAST run in the 12s. do the math.

[2000T/A Guru]

True, like i said with 3 bolt ons i ran a 12.8 at 110. I agree he should be able to do 12s, maybe he didnt catch a gear and started to pull you at the end cause he was in a good rpm range. OR MAYBE YOU JUST LIE SIR

[tonyjnjz]

hey guys hes selin that ugly ass stang for a reason..........LIKELY somthing wrong with his set-up...im SURE he actually raced that same exact car...really cant mistake that ugly fucker .......with those mods set up right it should eat a stock ls1fbody alive though.......maybe he sold the procharger already before this race took place??? who knows.....somone conact the seller about the race!!!!!!

[2000T/A Guru]

These are all good explainations but i dont think any of us give a fuck enough to call the seller. Cause i know i dont, NEXT THREAD

[Cayenne97]

um....im gonna go with not. the s197s can and will run mid 13s with a decent driver. ive seen ls1s go 15s, it really depends on the driver. i think you sir underestimate the 3vs and that is unfortunate.

stock a4 ls1s arent some freaks of nature and they consistently run mid 13s to low 13s. im fairly certain a mid 13 second ride WITH A PROCHARGER can get out of the 13s, especially if it was an auto (which greatly reduces driver error).

if any of you think this actually happened in the way the story was told i have but the utmost concern for your mental well being.

just because we own and love our f bodies doesnt mean they go 10.80s or 11.50s STOCK.

your car is not a freak. remember this.

*a 3v gt with a procharger pushing 6 psi (im fairly certain) will AT LEAST run in the 12s. do the math.

10.80's or 11.50's bone-stock...Where did that come from??? (I'm scratching my head now)

Mid 13's in a bone-stock S197? Similar to when Evan Smith wen't 12.80@108 in a completely stock LS1 SS. Definitely possible, but most likely - Not gonna happen!!

It's not about "lovin'" our cars or whatever your referring to, it's about telling it like it is. Notice I used the word "average", and the average GT is a low 14-second to high 13-second car, and that point my friend can merely be argued. An M5 GT will dyno between 260-270rwhp, and i'm sure if you own an LS1 you already know what kind of numbers an M6 is capable of.

So i'll say it once more loud and clear: They are nowhere near an LS1 - not even close

[tonyjnjz]

10.80's or 11.50's bone-stock...Where did that come from??? (I'm scratching my head now)

Mid 13's in a bone-stock S197? Similar to when Evan Smith wen't 12.80@108 in a completely stock LS1 SS. Definitely possible, but most likely - Not gonna happen!!

It's not about "lovin'" our cars or whatever your referring to, it's about telling it like it is. Notice I used the word "average", and the average GT is a low 14-second to high 13-second car, and that point my friend can merely be argued. An M5 GT will dyno between 260-270rwhp, and i'm sure if you own an LS1 you already know what kind of numbers an M6 is capable of.

So i'll say it once more loud and clear: They are nowhere near an LS1 - not even close

think your stretchin it a tad bit in the OTHER direction ....from what ive noticed there definitly a MID 13 sec car and an ls1 is a low to mid 13 sec car...there verry very close and due to gearing i think the stangs generaly have a slight edge off the line since there 1st is steeper than ours......there a very very comparable competitor to an ls1 fbody.....my buddys girl has an 03 mach one with full bolt ons......girl was talkin shit out her ass about spankin me.....haha .......she didnt even slightly amuse me from a highway roll :D

[Cayenne97]

think your stretchin it a tad bit in the OTHER direction ....from what ive noticed there definitly a MID 13 sec car and an ls1 is a low to mid 13 sec car...there verry very close and due to gearing i think the stangs generaly have a slight edge off the line since there 1st is steeper than ours......there a very very comparable competitor to an ls1 fbody.....my buddys girl has an 03 mach one with full bolt ons......girl was talkin shit out her ass about spankin me.....haha .......she didnt even slightly amuse me from a highway roll :D

Mach 1's are a totally different story. If that was the car in subject, then i'd be stretchin' it in the other direction. ;)

[secondgearscratch]

you are stretching it, and i dont mean to accuse you, but your post is similar (albeit completely well thought out and legible) to that of naive fan boys who think the ls1 is the greatest and nothing can beat it-stock or otherwise. you didnt go that far so please dont.

the NEW gts are completely respectable, which is why i dont see the disgust or betrayal in acknowleging them as mid 13 second rides. they are most definetely, but times are subjective based on drivers, much like it is with ls1s. an auto ls1 is a mid 13 second car too. sure there is way more potential there, but the fact still remains that on average they are mid 13s. new 3vs trap higher than the old two valve and do have nice gearing. in my experience, stangs do leave harder off the line, much like tony mentioned.

i hope im not offending you here as that isnt my intention but you cant help but admit that its a bit silly to actually believe a crude story of a stock ls1 beating a PROCHARGED gt. we arent talking pussy vortechs here, we're talking about the wildly popular and great procharger. my bet is that he wasnt running alot of boost, but 7-8 psi would be the bare minimum to make it worthwhile.

mach 1s and f bodies are neck and neck in stock form. atleast the manual versions of both. when bolt ons come into play, the margin typically grows in the ls1s favor.

[2000T/A Guru]

I agree with everything said, but i have seen bad setups make cammed cars run alightly faste rthan a bolt on ls1 so, it does happen that bad setups play games with people but yes as stated you really couldnt have won that race.

[airmaxon1]

come on now guys, why would i waste my time coming on here to tell lies, that would be completely pointless. thought it was a good story, dont know anything else about the car, except for what the guy told me from the ad, and yes i have talked to him to confirm its the right car

[2000T/A Guru]

Im not seriosuly calling you a liar, I know you raced that car and won, its just i dont think it was procharged at the time lol. Besides if its not a soots style supercharger you know they arent that loud. Its not liek they make the whisling noise those things do.

[airmaxon1]

Im not seriosuly calling you a liar, I know you raced that car and won, its just i dont think it was procharged at the time lol. Besides if its not a soots style supercharger you know they arent that loud. Its not liek they make the whisling noise those things do.


lol true :sillyme:, may have been put on later, but what could it have had done so far to be keeping ahead of me? ive raced alot of the newer GT's and havent had any keep right next to me and then ahead like that one.

[JwMonE99]

Was the procharged GT an auto or stick? If it was a stick that explains that hes a terrible driver. If there was a near stock LS1 camaro vs. a procharged 05+GT with equal drivers on both stick the GT would take the camaro hands down.

and of course that is if neither of them miss a gear ect. ect.

[Cayenne97]

you are stretching it, and i dont mean to accuse you, but your post is similar (albeit completely well thought out and legible) to that of naive fan boys who think the ls1 is the greatest and nothing can beat it-stock or otherwise. you didnt go that far so please dont.

the NEW gts are completely respectable, which is why i dont see the disgust or betrayal in acknowleging them as mid 13 second rides. they are most definetely, but times are subjective based on drivers, much like it is with ls1s. an auto ls1 is a mid 13 second car too. sure there is way more potential there, but the fact still remains that on average they are mid 13s. new 3vs trap higher than the old two valve and do have nice gearing. in my experience, stangs do leave harder off the line, much like tony mentioned.

i hope im not offending you here as that isnt my intention but you cant help but admit that its a bit silly to actually believe a crude story of a stock ls1 beating a PROCHARGED gt. we arent talking pussy vortechs here, we're talking about the wildly popular and great procharger. my bet is that he wasnt running alot of boost, but 7-8 psi would be the bare minimum to make it worthwhile.

mach 1s and f bodies are neck and neck in stock form. atleast the manual versions of both. when bolt ons come into play, the margin typically grows in the ls1s favor.

I am far from understanding what your motive is. Your comparing cars with about a 40 horsepower difference here, and putting them into the same perspective. The fact is, stock to stock, good driver to good driver, the LS1 is faster. It has more power with comparable weight, therefore, it should be. It seems you are not believeing me for some reason. I hate to do it, but if you wan't to, we can go magazine racin' and end that part of the debate. :)

I never said the GT was not resectable. Go back and read my post and you will never come across those words. It is a fine automobile, although I would expect it to be a little quicker by now. But, it is respectable.

Lastly, since when did Vortech's become obsene? I've had some amazing experiences with there products. From their S-Trim all the way to the YSi, i've seen it, and have owned two LT1's powered by their T-Trim's. One 583rwhp 383 and another 385 LT1 that hit right under the 600 mark. Both regularly driven street cars that ran very well!

[airmaxon1]

Was the procharged GT an auto or stick? If it was a stick that explains that hes a terrible driver. If there was a near stock LS1 camaro vs. a procharged 05+GT with equal drivers on both stick the GT would take the camaro hands down.

and of course that is if neither of them miss a gear ect. ect.

the GT was a stick, I have an A4. He may have missed a gear or something which would explain why stuck with him then he pulled on me, i wasnt really paying attention to his car at all once we started.

[JwMonE99]

Well you talked to him right? Can you find out if he missed any gears?

[airmaxon1]

Well you talked to him right? Can you find out if he missed any gears?


yeah i have talked to him, i could ask but who knows if he'll give me real answer! haha

[blackls1ta]

i think that gt is badass,but.. it shud have ran you off the road,lol :true:

[airmaxon1]

i think that gt is badass,but.. it shud have ran you off the road,lol :true:

haha so i've heard

[2000T/A Guru]

I think those body styles are ugly as hell, the mach 1 or 03 cobra looked way better.

[airmaxon1]

I think those body styles are ugly as hell, the mach 1 or 03 cobra looked way better.

i agree with you 100%, however much i hate mustangs, i love the '03 Cobra. imagine if GM came out with a camaro or trans am that came factory supercharged :flex: we would never hear stories of Cobras eating up LS1's

[2000T/A Guru]

I like the Mach 1 more then i do the cobra, i dont care for root style superchagers. The mach 1 is a better car in my mind, same motor as a cobra with a better intake and high comp ratio. Those are the only 2 stangs made in the last 30 years i like.

[Danger731]

Almost the same motor

[Rikki_SeVeN]

Almost the same motor

yep...ALMOST

[JwMonE99]

Yea personally I would take a mach1 over the cobra, but still wouldn't argue about having a cobra. I rather have a solid rear

[secondgearscratch]

I am far from understanding what your motive is. Your comparing cars with about a 40 horsepower difference here, and putting them into the same perspective. The fact is, stock to stock, good driver to good driver, the LS1 is faster. It has more power with comparable weight, therefore, it should be. It seems you are not believeing me for some reason. I hate to do it, but if you wan't to, we can go magazine racin' and end that part of the debate. :)

I never said the GT was not resectable. Go back and read my post and you will never come across those words. It is a fine automobile, although I would expect it to be a little quicker by now. But, it is respectable.

Lastly, since when did Vortech's become obsene? I've had some amazing experiences with there products. From their S-Trim all the way to the YSi, i've seen it, and have owned two LT1's powered by their T-Trim's. One 583rwhp 383 and another 385 LT1 that hit right under the 600 mark. Both regularly driven street cars that ran very well!

you have missed the point completely. it was told to you twice, and yet still you failed to comprehend that a new gt is a mid 13 second ride with a decent driver. therefore, if a mid 13 second ride then gets a PROCHARGER i doubt very seriously that it couldnt break into the 12s with alittle bit of boost. the point once again is that saying a stock automatic ls1 can take a PROCHARGED 3v gt is alittle bit erronius. stock ls1 automatics time and time again are mid to low 13 second cars. i have no doubt the OP has a low 13 second car just the way it sits, street radials and all. the point is that i think a procharger could easily make up for the half a second difference between the two cars in STOCK form.

i hate to magazine race so please, please dont bring up #s. the new gts are faster than the old ones, and the old ones ran 14 flats with all but the most embarassing driving.

i wouldnt put a vortech on an LS1, i would get a procharger. irrelevant, but my opinion nonetheless.

nothing against you here, i just grow tired of people thinking that the ls1 can beat anything, any time, any where (not saying thats you).

even though that is usually what happens. :wall:

[secondgearscratch]

Yea personally I would take a mach1 over the cobra, but still wouldn't argue about having a cobra. I rather have a solid rear

why?

[Cayenne97]

you have missed the point completely. it was told to you twice, and yet still you failed to comprehend that a new gt is a mid 13 second ride with a decent driver. :

You know secondgear, you sound to me like many other guys i've come across that use the term "ride" instead of "capable". The guy who thinks that just because one car did it, every other car out there alike is going to do the same thing. Sorry to tell you buddy, but the game of drag racing doesn't work that way. Truth of matter is, how many guys will go mid 13's in their '05-'07 GT's? And how many on average will run low 14's to high 13's? The same question can be asked to f-body owners. How many guys can take their stock cars into the high 12's like Evan Smith did? Truth is, most won't. Just because another guy might hit 13.80's in his GT doesn't mean he's an indecent driver, but infact, a rather good one! I took my '97 Z28 to 13.77@100.9 completely stock, but I don't expect most drivers to take their LT1's that quick. Get where i'm going with this? I hope so.

i hate to magazine race so please, please dont bring up #s. the new gts are faster than the old ones, and the old ones ran 14 flats with all but the most embarassing driving.:

Being faster than the old ones serves no purpose in this discussion.

i wouldnt put a vortech on an LS1, i would get a procharger. irrelevant, but my opinion nonetheless..:

In the original post you referred to Vortech as pussy. I was just wondering why. I have had so much sucess with Vortech's, and so have millions of other people. ATI is good as well.

nothing against you here, i just grow tired of people thinking that the ls1 can beat anything, any time, any where (not saying thats you). :

There's nothing wrong with that, as long as it's kept realistic. Nothing for you to get upset about. After all, this is an LS1 site. Get use to it ;)

[JwMonE99]

why?

Sometimes I like to take hard turns and kinda spin out a little bit. IDK its kinda hard to explain but I just like the feel and control with the solid rears.

[secondgearscratch]

You know secondgear, you sound to me like many other guys i've come across that use the term "ride" instead of "capable". The guy who thinks that just because one car did it, every other car out there alike is going to do the same thing. Sorry to tell you buddy, but the game of drag racing doesn't work that way. Truth of matter is, how many guys will go mid 13's in their '05-'07 GT's? And how many on average will run low 14's to high 13's? The same question can be asked to f-body owners. How many guys can take their stock cars into the high 12's like Evan Smith did? Truth is, most won't. Just because another guy might hit 13.80's in his GT doesn't mean he's an indecent driver, but infact, a rather good one! I took my '97 Z28 to 13.77@100.9 completely stock, but I don't expect most drivers to take their LT1's that quick. Get where i'm going with this? I hope so.

well i took my stock z 13.01 @ 109 on street radials. ive beaten alot of cars i shouldnt have and i am quite the believer in "anything can happen".

i can agree with your logic but AGAIN i state the fact that a blown 3v isnt a 13 second car. im sure it could be if you ran 5 psi and drove like crap. it isnt rocket science street racing, and it sure isnt difficult to drive an automatic in a straight line, especially "from a roll" which usually means someone goes on the first or second honk, takes it up to 70 mph, and then claims a victory.

i dont think that if one guy did it, everyone else can. many times ive asked how i have beaten the same MY 6 speed vettes and 02 ss camaros with full exhaust and cutouts, and no one has an answer other than, "oh they should have walked you".

if i were to say to you, hey, my stock mach 1 just beat a procharged camaro, you and everyone else would call complete and instantaneous bullshit. its the exact same rationale. anything could happen, but given the facts and the "drag race" as you refered to this street outing, the odds are that i would, at the very least, be imbellishing.

Being faster than the old ones serves no purpose in this discussion.

never said it did. however, it is important to note that you cant group all the model years together, which is what youre trying not to do, yet still are essentially doing.

In the original post you referred to Vortech as pussy. I was just wondering why. I have had so much sucess with Vortech's, and so have millions of other people. ATI is good as well.

im glad for you and your experience. my experience with them has shown me different. again, as i said, its an opinion. my friend ran a vortech to 10 psi on a forged fomoco block and only had problems with the compressor unit. he ran a very pathetic 12.87. this is ofcourse one instance, so take it with a grain of salt. if you like them, thats all that should matter to YOU.

There's nothing wrong with that, as long as it's kept realistic. Nothing for you to get upset about. After all, this is an LS1 site. Get use to it ;)

i find it humorous when people who have belonged to a site for 3 working days have the urge to tell me to "get used" to something. i also appreciate the excuse that this is an ls1 website, thus allowing everyone to simply throw common sense to the wind and support anything and everything having to do with ls1's, despite imbellishment or stupidity.
im not upset. why would i be? just having a bit of a debate with a fellow member. get used to it.

[secondgearscratch]

Sometimes I like to take hard turns and kinda spin out a little bit. IDK its kinda hard to explain but I just like the feel and control with the solid rears.

i figured id just ask.

i like them too, the torque makes the car feel more violent, which at 19 years old, is a very appealing thing to me.:hasquint:

[Cayenne97]

i find it humorous when people who have belonged to a site for 3 working days

Actually I belong to NHRA, not a forum. Anymore insults? :)

[JwMonE99]

i figured id just ask.

i like them too, the torque makes the car feel more violent, which at 19 years old, is a very appealing thing to me.:hasquint:

Hey im only 17 so I know exactly what you mean hehe