After 3200 stall install???

[99HuggerOrangeZ]

Well I had a 3200 stall put in the Z and it almost seems slower than when it was stock. Would it be my shitty 2.73's or what? My stock converter jerked harder when shifting to 2nd accelerating at any speed. The vig. converter is better off the line but when shifting it seems like it's not very firm. I thought the shifts were supposed to be more firm than stock, I did a tune with the converter but it doesn't seem right. (even though I have nothing to compare it to)

Any input would be appreciated

Thanks

[2001NBMZ28]

If you just put it in make sure the fluid level is right, if it's even a little low it won't shift right (was a PITA to get mine right). What kind of tune was done with the converter? Line pressure, shift points, duration, or shift kit, etc? Could also be you're just not used to it yet. Don't know if it's the 2.73's, I changed mine before the install. Give PI a call I'm sure they'll help.

[{FzS}BlacKMagicK]

Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, (as I'm sure you would) but I think the converter is to help off the line and in between shifts doesn't allow the RPM's to come so far down before shifting, whereas for harder shifts you need a shift kit.

I have both, but I have a 3600 stall and 3.42's, all's I know is it's great, but the car was tuned after the install too.

I'd like to drive the same car as mine to see the difference though, but I can tell you, when I step on it, shifts are seamless and hard at the same time.

[99HuggerOrangeZ]

The tune I had was either with EFI live or LS1 edit I forget which one they did, but they increased line pressure and shift points. It was done by EPP and I'm sure they did all of the right things with the install and tune. I guess the only way is to go to the track and find out. I will tell you the shifts are seamless but not as hard as stock was.


Also in stock form I could only get the 295 GS-D3's to cherp a little bit, now I can roast the bastards right off. :firedevil:

[{FzS}BlacKMagicK]

The tune I had was either with EFI live or LS1 edit I forget which one they did, but they increased line pressure and shift points. It was done by EPP and I'm sure they did all of the right things with the install and tune. I guess the only way is to go to the track and find out. I will tell you the shifts are seamless but not as hard as stock was.


Also in stock form I could only get the 295 GS-D3's to cherp a little bit, now I can roast the bastards right off. :firedevil:

I would throw a shift kit in ASAP, you'll have no complaints then 'cept for the gears, but's that's jus' a big ol' excuse to get a new rear.

[99HuggerOrangeZ]

Well I asked EPP if I would benifit from a shift kit they said increasing the line pressure would be about the same thing.

[2001NBMZ28]

Don't have a shift kit in mine, just the tune. Think one increases the pressure mechanically and one electronically...either is OK but don't do both. If you just had it installed give it some time until you're used to it.

[99HuggerOrangeZ]

I've had it in for a little over 3 weeks now, I have gotten use to the looseness of it but I thought it would pull harder. Maybe I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.

I'll just have to go race a guy at work who has an 06 Mustang GT. If I loose I'll know something's wrong. :titslap:

[{FzS}BlacKMagicK]

Well I asked EPP if I would benifit from a shift kit they said increasing the line pressure would be about the same thing.

But, by your dissatisfaction, I would say the word "about" is where the trouble lies.


If you do decide to go with a shift kit, try to find one that doesn't smack the shifts in hard during normal street driving, a good shift kit, will only let you know it's there, when you romp on it, and a little from time to time during regular use, but from different people, I've heard some always bang in hard and you don't want that.

Also, did they suggest the 3200? I think you should of went bigger because of the low gears.

[2001NBMZ28]

Actually the Vigs stall 4-600 higher than advertised - least they used to, mine does.

[99HuggerOrangeZ]

Well they actually told me 2800-3000 for stock power would be what I want and I told them I would rather have the 3200 now so when I do a H/C I won't need to upgrade.

EPP (Exotic Performance Plus) is a highly reputable speed shop that has a lot of experience with the 4th gens. So when they tell me I don't need a shift kit I would have to believe them as I was going to buy it from them and pay them to install it.

If the vig does stall 400-600 higher than I may have been happier with the 3000 but who knows.

Maybe every thing is fine and I just don't know it because the car feels alot different.

[{FzS}BlacKMagicK]

Well they actually told me 2800-3000 for stock power would be what I want and I told them I would rather have the 3200 now so when I do a H/C I won't need to upgrade.

EPP (Exotic Performance Plus) is a highly reputable speed shop that has a lot of experience with the 4th gens. So when they tell me I don't need a shift kit I would have to believe them as I was going to buy it from them and pay them to install it.

If the vig does stall 400-600 higher than I may have been happier with the 3000 but who knows.

Maybe every thing is fine and I just don't know it because the car feels alot different.

Have you gone WOT yet? or have you just been drivin it round town?

[2001NBMZ28]

Put some miles on it, think you're fine. When I first got mine I was like "What did I do to my car?" Now I don't even notice it being there, unless I give it throttle. :)

[99HuggerOrangeZ]

Have I gone WOT? I thought that is the only way to drive these cars. J/K

Yeah sometimes it hits hard when I floor it but most of the time it doesn't. I did pull off the highway onto a service road going into work today and when I got on it (about 25-30MPH) it downshifted and pulled the hardest it ever has. I don't know if the cooler air this morning helped or if I just had it at the right speed to down shift and be in the optimum RPM range.

Like I said, I am probably full of shit and don't know what I'm talking about. Just need to go to the track and hope I can get into the high 12's.


Thanks Again

[slims00ls1z28]

You need to change out those 2.73's for one. Also most of the time looser stalls absorb the shift due to the slippage. Only time mine shifts real hard is when I manually shift it and I have a full built trans billet servos etc the whole 9. Normally tho pre-stall etc my trans shifted harder w/o the stall, gears, built trans, cam, tune etc. Line I said only time mine shifts real hard is when manual shifting do to line pressure adjustments.

[Pro Built Automatics]

The higher the gear 3.08, 2.73 the less feel on the shifts, ther lower the gear 3.42, 3.73 the shift has more feel. The smaller converter does not have the mass that the larger TC had, and therefore the shift feel is will be less pronounced. The transmission is actually shifting firmer with the smaller TC, it has less mass to slow down on the shift. The smaller and lighter weight TC is much easier on the drivetrain in terms of stress.

[{FzS}BlacKMagicK]

The higher the gear 3.08, 2.73 the less feel on the shifts, ther lower the gear 3.42, 3.73 the shift has more feel. The smaller converter does not have the mass that the larger TC had, and therefore the shift feel is will be less pronounced. The transmission is actually shifting firmer with the smaller TC, it has less mass to slow down on the shift. The smaller and lighter weight TC is much easier on the drivetrain in terms of stress.

Hey an A/T guy!

Hey gotta question for ya, I have 3.42's, shift kit and a 3600 stall, is this too high? I have an 01' LS1, which has the LS6 intake but as a trade off they put a milder cam in it, I don't know the specs on the cam though.


Second question is, I have no idea if it's related to the stall or whatnot, (the stall was installed b4 I bought it) but when I step on it hard, (not pinning the pedal mind you, but like almost), and she shifts gears, the weirdest thing happens...the pedal pulls away from my foot, it goes down by itself, others have suggested it might be the traction control, but have tried it many times without the TC on, still does it. Do you think a bigger cam might help this or do you think it's completely unrelated to anything to do with the setup? It just sort of feels like it is because it happens exactly as she's shifting.

[ATCharming]

i didnt read all the responses so idk if ur questions answered or not, but ill give it to u real simple:

stall just helps keep u in the powerband
shift kit will make ur car shift harder and faster.

or, instead of a shift kit, just tune ur car and turn up the shift firmness. or do both...

[bene]

stall=loose feeling between shifts. Alleviate the loose feeling= 3.42s or up gear/tune (shift points and line pressure). You can do a shift kit also.

[mrr23]

a higher stall converter absorbs more of the shift feel because of it's higher rpm stall capability.

[greatwhiteZ28]

isnt there a minor break in period proces,

[ATCharming]

isnt there a minor break in period proces,

for gears, i dont know about other mods like stalls, but gears for sure

[99HuggerOrangeZ]

stall=loose feeling between shifts. Alleviate the loose feeling= 3.42s or up gear/tune (shift points and line pressure). You can do a shift kit also.

Well I did get a tune and up the line pressure so it looks like I will benifit from swapping the gears to 3.42's, which a wanted to do but EPP won't install them anymore do to customers having noise problems.

[99HuggerOrangeZ]

The higher the gear 3.08, 2.73 the less feel on the shifts, ther lower the gear 3.42, 3.73 the shift has more feel. The smaller converter does not have the mass that the larger TC had, and therefore the shift feel is will be less pronounced. The transmission is actually shifting firmer with the smaller TC, it has less mass to slow down on the shift. The smaller and lighter weight TC is much easier on the drivetrain in terms of stress.


This is exactly what it seems like. With my gears and going to a smaller converter the shifts are less pronounced and smooth but the rpm's stay in the power band. I really need those 3.42's

So I guess everything is normal, just wanted to make sure.

Thanks for all of the help.

[rel3rd]

This is exactly what it seems like. With my gears and going to a smaller converter the shifts are less pronounced and smooth but the rpm's stay in the power band. I really need those 3.42's

So I guess everything is normal, just wanted to make sure.

Thanks for all of the help.

Just put a "Vig" 3600 stall in my car. I also had already swapped in a 342 rear (due to other issues). At WOT, the car shifts nearly as firm as it used to, but obviously at cruise rpm's the shifts are hardly even felt.

[{FzS}BlacKMagicK]

This is exactly what it seems like. With my gears and going to a smaller converter the shifts are less pronounced and smooth but the rpm's stay in the power band. I really need those 3.42's

So I guess everything is normal, just wanted to make sure.

Thanks for all of the help.

Might as well go to 3.73's, that's the highest most suggest going to for a daily driver/track car with an A4 anyways.

[99HuggerOrangeZ]

I know that is the optimum gear to put in the rear for an auto but I don't know if I want to do it because my gas milage has already dropped from 23-24 mpg to 20-21 mpg with just the stall. I want to try and keep it as high as possible while making the car a little bit faster.

[{FzS}BlacKMagicK]

I know that is the optimum gear to put in the rear for an auto but I don't know if I want to do it because my gas milage has already dropped from 23-24 mpg to 20-21 mpg with just the stall. I want to try and keep it as high as possible while making the car a little bit faster.

Wait til you get headers...heheheeee

[99HuggerOrangeZ]

I've got headers and an ORY with electric cut out. I know that doesn't help th MPG, but its loud as hell.:firedevil:

[{FzS}BlacKMagicK]

I've got headers and an ORY with electric cut out. I know that doesn't help th MPG, but its loud as hell.:firedevil:

So you DO have headers, well, with what you have so far then, I wouldn't sweat the difference between 3.42's and and 3.73's

Your gonna love the difference with either though.

[mrr23]

isnt there a minor break in period proces,

http://www.converter.cc/installation_guide/guide_main.htm

BREAK IN PERIOD…
Yank converters have a special clutch lining material that requires a special break in procedure.
This procedure consists of:
Driving the converter at normal speeds with NO WOT starts or brake stalling the converter for approx, 150 miles.
Stall checking or Brake stalling will severely damage the clutch lining if converter is not broke in properly. This will void any warranty.

[{FzS}BlacKMagicK]

What is stall checking?

And is brake stalling, standing on the brake and lighting them up?

[greatwhiteZ28]

http://www.converter.cc/installation_guide/guide_main.htm

BREAK IN PERIOD…
Yank converters have a special clutch lining material that requires a special break in procedure.
This procedure consists of:
Driving the converter at normal speeds with NO WOT starts or brake stalling the converter for approx, 150 miles.
Stall checking or Brake stalling will severely damage the clutch lining if converter is not broke in properly. This will void any warranty.

i knew there was one

[greatwhiteZ28]

What is stall checking?

And is brake stalling, standing on the brake and lighting them up?

brake stalling is when your on the brake and give it gas to the rpm 's are reached to your convertor, its for launching

[{FzS}BlacKMagicK]

brake stalling is when your on the brake and give it gas to the rpm 's are reached to your convertor, its for launching

Hey thx...so I'd have to rev her up to 3600?...IDK seems too high to launch from.

[greatwhiteZ28]

it all depends on which brand of convertor you got also, some are underated, like the vigilante... there 3400 is like a 3600 soo its all depends but still its all pretty close.